Stanley H.I.D. and 1365 lumen spotlights (Part 1)

[1203]

Re: New Stanley H.I.D. and 1365 lumen spotlights

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[BlueBeam22]

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Thank you for the awesome pictures of this new Stanley HID light BVH! I will be going to Wal-Mart today or tomorrow and if it is in stock then I will for sure be picking up my fourth HID light for my collection.:thumbsup: As soon as I get one I will post comparison beamshots of the Stanley, 6000K POB and Mega Illuminator.

 

[mitchell300]

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Has anyone seen sources for these Stanley HID's in Australia,

Definitely will be my next purchase if I can get one,

 

[JetskiMark]

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My local Walmart does not even have a shelf tag for the halogen or HID version.

Oh well, I really didn't need one anyway.

 

[JetskiMark]

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Has anyone seen sources for these Stanley HID's in Australia,

Definitely will be my next purchase if I can get one,

Does Amazon ship to Australia?

 

[BVH]

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For this test, I hooked up the light to a 28 AH SLA from one of those emergency car starting units using the supplied car charger/operating cord. I wanted controlled values so I essentially took the lights battery out of the equation although electrically it is in the circuit.

On High power: This light is a TRUE 35 Watt light as advertised!

Output to the bulb

Initial starting Amps………………………………. 2.4
Turbo Boost start drop out Amps..……….. .9 (7 seconds to drop out)

Steady running after 3 minutes…………… .42 Amps @ 88.1 Volts AC = 37.00 Watts
While running steady after 3 minutes, I noticed a .05 Amp cycle up and down as Mr. TB has indicated in his description of how the ballast cycles.

Input power to the ballast 3.5 Amps @ 12.6 Volts DC = 44.1 Watts

Ballast is 84% efficient – not bad as compared to a lot of ballasts out there running at 75 to 80% efficiency.

Low Power

Steady running after 3 minutes…………… .37 Amps @ 88.1 Volts AC = 32.60 Watts

Time to cycle from High mode to Low mode after moving the switch – 52 seconds – based on Amp draw
Time to cycle from Low mode to High mode after moving the switch – 15 seconds – based on Amp draw

Of note – When I measured input power, I measured the Amps being contributed by the alternate power source as a separate test. In this test, the lights battery was contributing 2.5 Amps while the alternate source was contributing 1 Amp. The power source Amps rose over the 3 minutes I watched it. As the battery is depleted, the alternate source will provide the needed difference.

The SLA battery weighs 2 lbs, 1 oz. Almost half the weight of the light.

 

[mitchell300]

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Does Amazon ship to Australia?

Just had a look and for this item they don't ship out of the US :thumbsdow

Well just will have to look at another way to get it.

 

[richardcpf]

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Wow nice... For the price this is definetly better deal than many other famous brand HID lights out there.

Again, dedicated flashlights makers dissapoints me.

We wait for a hid light for months (for example the L35), the makers tell us that they are improving reflector, electronics, battery, etc. They release the light at $300+, and can only be bought at special sites / stores.

But then a company that specializes in tools, NOT in flashlights, releases a light that perform just as good or a little bit worse than the L35, at a super low price of $75. The L35 might have better runtime or design, but for the price you could get 4 of this stanley. Same case with the Dorcy 220lumens thrower and the tiablo A10.

This is not meant to offend Amondotech or any other hid light making company, but it really pisses me off when i see them charging us 2 or 3 times more for a product that doesn't perform much better.

If I made flashlights I would take this design and put a lithium battery into it, lower low mode, brighter led module, 4300k temp bulb, battery meter, and details such as centered bulb, durable lenses, waterprofnes and rate it at 3500 lumens. Then I'll price this at $150.

 

[Benson]

Re: New Stanley H.I.D. and 1365 lumen spotlights

Wow nice... For the price this is definetly better deal than many other famous brand HID lights out there.

Again, dedicated flashlights makers dissapoints me.

We wait for a hid light for months (for example the L35), the makers tell us that they are improving reflector, electronics, battery, etc. They release the light at $300+, and can only be bought at special sites / stores.

Comparing it to the N30, I don't think the price increase is unreasonable. Don't underestimate the cost difference between Li-ion and NiMH batteries, to start with.

This is not meant to offend Amondotech or any other hid light making company, but it really pisses me off when i see them charging us 2 or 3 times more for a product that doesn't perform much better.

In comparison between the L35 and this, compare runtime, weight, and size -- the L35 is really a cut above the Stanley. If these things aren't worth the difference to you, by all means, don't buy it just because it's "better", but don't take it for granted and assume that these improvements in the L35 don't make it a lot more costly to build than the Stanley.

Also, it's worth remembering that most flashlight makers can't push the volume Stanley+Walmart will, so they have lower production runs -- this means higher costs, which means higher prices, which means they can't push that volume, which means...

Anyway, there are some people buying it at that price, so regardless of what it costs to build, it is worth that price to those people. If it's not worth that much to you, don't buy it; they're not making you buy it, so why get mad?

If I made flashlights I would take this design and put a lithium battery into it, lower low mode, brighter led module, 4300k temp bulb, battery meter, and details such as centered bulb, durable lenses, waterprofnes and rate it at 3500 lumens. Then I'll price this at $150.

I wouldn't bet on finding a Li-ion battery that cheap. Remember, retail typically doubles the price from the manufacturer, so you've got probably less than $30 for the battery upgrade, and you've got to add charging and protection circuits.

 

[Richie086]

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Judging by what I see inside my Stanley, I suspect just about all of them will have mis-aligned bulbs. I say this because from what I see, the retainer clip end that gets placed under the tab, the tab side is bent into position AFTER the bulb is seated and the two ends are clipped down. Not to big of a deal to adjust it, but it takes some trial and error to get things right.

 

[richardcpf]

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Also, it's worth remembering that most flashlight makers can't push the volume Stanley+Walmart will, so they have lower production runs -- this means higher costs, which means higher prices, which means they can't push that volume, which means...

Yeah this may be why but im not discussing price I'm discussing performance. I know that more pricey != brighter but the price difference of the stanley and L35 is just huge.

This thing throw and brights up same as good or better (judging by the beamshots) than the L35 for 1/4 the money, period. When it comes to spotlight it is all about brightness. IMO it doesn't matter if the thing is 1'' longer or weights 1 more pound, what matter is that it does the job and for the money it has a great value.

As for the price of lithium batteries + protection circuit... if they charge you $120 for a 12v 4ah lithium batt then the production cost is about $30 max. All these made in china electronic parts are really inexpensive. A friend of mine who works in HK told me that it only takes about ~$25 to produce a HID kit, but in the market these costs about $70 min.

What I want to say, this thing is a really nice deal. I'll be ordering at least 2 when they get back in stock. No WM here =/

 

[BVH]

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If you can work with a 30 minute run time and self-discharge will not be an issue, then there would probably not be a good reason to spend the extra money for an L35.

 

[StarHalo]

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I went on a brief walk around the neighborhood with the Stanley HID tonight; it turns out that the 4 lb weight isn't so bad for extended carry, though the topside LEDs really only work for walking with dark-adjusted eyes, not so much in areas where you're going in and out of streetlight.

If you try to turn the light on/off several times within a handful of seconds, you'll get a brief nasty buzzing sound and the battery LED on the back will rapidly blink red. Best to stretch the on/off cycles apparently. Also, if you've run the light for a bit and then switch it off, flip the light over quickly and look at the bulb - its entire glass extrerior glows blue while the internal bits glow orange, very meancing looking!

I confirmed for certain that I can light objects at 1,000 feet (thx Google Earth) and probably a few hundred beyond that, it would be easier to get some definitive numbers except I live in a dense suburban area that instantly transitions to completely empty desert, so finding landmarks can be tricky. Atmospheric conditions don't seem to be working with me either, as it's been a bit windy; I see a lot of particulates flying through the beam for quite some distance.

While lighting up a long stretch of road, a car approached going the same direction/from behind me, and almost came to a dead stop trying to figure out what was going on. Off with the HID and all that was left were the paltry car headlights that weakly lit a fraction of the distance. This thing just puts out a ridculous amount of light..

It's dead quiet in the desert at night, and midway through my walk, I could plainly hear a hawk flying over me, so I quickly pinned the beam on it, thinking I'd just light its underside as it flew away - it turns out that this is exactly what you should not do; the hawk instantly started tumbling and flinging itself madly around trying to get out of the beam, so I just as quickly turned it off. So for future reference: Do not light birds in flight

I definitely look forward to more nighttime desert adventures with my HID, thx Stanley :thumbsup:

 

[NorCal2500HD]

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NorCal, best way is to unclip the bulb, hold the reflector in your left hand and with your right hand, slowly move the bulb out of the bore while pointing at a wall about 20' away. Be sure to keep the bulb aligned in the X & Y axis as you plul it out or it's very difficult to focus. You have a couple minutes before it get too hot to hold.

After almost an hour I finally have this thing aligned. I found some rc truck transmission spacers that worked perfect. I used 4 of them. not sure of the thickness of them though. Broke the bulb clip, so I used some motocross grip wire to keep the bulb nice n snug....gonna go outside n see how much different it is.......

EDIT:
Just came inside and WOW, 1000000 times better.......Ill get some beam shots tomorrow night...........

 

[gallonoffuel]

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I just saw this thing last night at a local walmart near my hotel (nothing to do on a rainy day but go to walmart). They had 2 of them, behind a regular halogen spotlight of similar design. I was surprised how heavy these were, and it seems like the weight on top would be very awkward to hold. I might pick one up anyway, but I dont see me using it very often.

 

[BVH]

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The 2lb, 1 oz battery is at the top rear of the case, too bad. But there's not a lot of empty space in there.

 

[Bullet Bob]

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Well, after hitting two Walmarts and striking out on the first, I managed to find and grab the only two on the shelf at the second one. Currently have it on the charger so we'll see what she does tonight.

 

[Patriot]

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But then a company that specializes in tools, NOT in flashlights, releases a light that perform just as good or a little bit worse than the L35, at a super low price of $75. The L35 might have better runtime or design, but for the price you could get 4 of this stanley. Same case with the Dorcy 220lumens thrower and the tiablo A10.

Richard, overall output and run-time are often the most hotly debated topics among enthusiasts. If you significantly increase one or the other, or perhaps even both at once it's considered to be a big deal. Auto manufacturers are constantly balancing performance vs. fuel mileage where a 10% difference can make or break the model's success or failure. This is the case with almost every other device used in the world, where power runs head to head with efficiency. It's my suggestion that you may be greatly devaluing one of these the two key performance indicators with regards to run-time. If we estimate both the Stanley and L35 to be about the same overall output then we must recognize the significance of 300% more run-time with the L35. Ammondotech could have just added a SLA battery that's 3 times the size but they didn't. The 3152 or early POB already existed and consumers wanted smaller, lighter HID's. Instead they chose to go for one of very first ever li-po designs which would provide incredible run-time, while lightening the package substantially from NiMH, never mind SLA's. The example of the Dorcy 220 vs. Tiablo is similar because the two lights are worlds apart yet you suggest that price is the only difference. The Tiablo uses a variety of high capacity li-ion and or primary cells vs. a fixed 700mAh NiMH. The Tiablo is constructed of 7075 aluminum vs. 6061. It's finish is typeIII vs. typeII anodizing. It's waterproof to 15' vs. who knows. Not to mention the other possible differences such as the quality of machining, heat sinking, circuitry, soldering connections and electrical contact points.

richardcpf
When it comes to spotlight it is all about brightness. IMO it doesn't matter if the thing is 1'' longer or weights 1 more pound, what matter is that it does the job and for the money it has a great value.

Many would disagree. This is the other age old debate where all the other qualities and characteristics beyond lumen output and run-time are weighed. Everyone has an opinion of what these other features are worth so even in areas where there might be measurable differences the value of those differences are considered subjective. Your idea of "getting the job done" might be chasing off mating cats in the backyard while another person's idea of "getting the job done" is finding their way out of a cold, dark, wet cave or perhaps rescuing passengers from a car that's hanging precariously near a cliff. If you took your point of view that size, weight and efficiency isn't important then applied it to other fields of technology we'd live in a pretty funny world of grandfather clocks and cars that still average 7 mph. It's an interesting test to look at Surefire, what with all these $20 lights available from China. If lumen output where the only important measure for the consumer then Surefire would be in big trouble. They survive and increase for the same reason why some people would rather have one McGizmo than 20 $20 Dorcy's.

richardcpf
If I made flashlights I would take this design and put a lithium battery into it, lower low mode, brighter led module, 4300k temp bulb, battery meter, and details such as centered bulb, durable lenses, waterprofnes and rate it at 3500 lumens. Then I'll price this at $150.

I think this backs my point that more or better features don't come for free or in your scenario, next to nothing. The L35 uses an fantastic lithium-polymer battery with all the proper circuitry and balancing unique to li-po chemistry, has and LED module, has a 4300K bulb, has battery meter, has a centered bulb, a durable lens, is water spray resistant, is 3200 lumens, (3500 isn't possible without overdriving) and look where it's priced. $319 is still a bargain in my opinion! You're simply not going to be able to take an $80 light and upgrade it to these specs for $70 more. Even if all those things could be changed for $120 the time and developmental costs haven't even been taken into account and they're a huge investment.

 

[davidt]

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I finally have a HID . Couldn't pass one up for 70 bucks. Does anybody have any idea how many lumens this thing is outputting?

 

[BVH]

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I think you could be safe saying approximately 3000. Bulb Lumens, that is!