Malkoff Vs. Dereelight MC-E

[electric sheep]

Last night i ran my CL1H V4 at 2.4a and 600 lumen for ten minutes handheld while i illuminated a river bed and watched the fish. I could see to the river bed through five feet of water and my girlfriend was amazed at the lights power. No heat problems when hand held outside. the Dereelight hosts seem to set a great path for the heat to the hand. Would run to flat on two RC123's no problem without overheating so long it's not indoors out of the hand.

 

[M@elstrom]

A 2 ~ 3 18650 host sounds like an improvised aluminium 'Kubotan' that just happens to also put out a decent 400Lm+ flood of light!

 

[electric sheep]

I have the two 18650 extension and its more like 600 lumen and yes a neat little force applier.

 

[jslappa]

Look, there are a lot of people on here with a great deal of smarts and expertise. All the lights suggested are great lights, no doubt. However, this light will fill one highly specialized need....That of a Corrections Officer. I know I'm new here, so let me help to explain what he needs it for. Then, maybe everyone can collectively come up with a better light than me.

A Corrections Officer (CO1 or CO2) is, for all intents and purposes, in prison for 8 to 12 hours a day. We basically live with inmates for 8 to 12 hours a day. These are real people with families and friends who come to visit. They're not monsters (some are, to be sure). For your safety, the safety of others, and on the basis of good morals and ethics, the CO1 needs to treat every inmate with respect. 16 hours a day most inmates are allowed to roam freely within the confines of their respective blocks. They have keys to their cells, and the ability to congregate freely during those times. It's not like the movies where they are locked in a cell with a cell door made out of bars. It's a door with a 3X18 inch window we can look into. That light will be used ALOT to toss an inmates cell looking for contraband, so a bright o'l hotspot will just help to mask contraband behind an eye-burning hotspot at less than 3 feet.

Now, let's say this guy works at a level 5 penitentiary. That's maximum security, with murderers, rapists, and the worst of the worst. Most will never get out, and have nothing better to do than spend all day thinking of ways to get back at the "cops" and the CO2 will fit that bill nicely. So the OP needs to treat them all like men, and try not to **** anyone off. That leads me to my suggestion of the Malkoff M60W MC-E.

The OP can't just shine a light in an inmate's eyes that has a hot spot soo bright that it burns retinas. That's just going to upset the inmate, and all 50 of his Arian Brotherhood friends! He needs a light, like he said, that is pure flood. No hotspot at all. For the confines of a prison, there is no need for throw any further than 140 feet. We have spotlights for the yard and the bug zapper fences. And at as close to 400 lumens as possible, he is now limited to an MC-E or a P7 in a host that can handle 2 or 3 18650's.

My suggesting is for the Malkoff M60Warm MC-E dropin. It's been sold out for a while but can be special ordered my calling Gene Malkoff. Then get a Fivemega 2x18650 or Leef 2x18650 from lighthound.com, some AW 18650 batteries and a charger. Get an extension tube to stretch it to 3 18650's if you want, but I would imagine that the 2x18650 will get the job done. Just keep the extention tube tucked away in the control pod.

SO there it is guys, those are some of the reasons why he needs a pure flood light with 2 or 3 18650 capability.

 

[electric sheep]

I would go for Dereelight CL1H V4 MC-E with extension tube for two 18650's. With the orange peel reflector it is almost pure flood but for more flood UCL do tape for a few dollars that will kill all throw. The 2.1a is 500 lumen and with two 18650's you will have enough run time. Great quality and won't let you down.

 

[Mach1]

Can you actually buy a Malkoff TODAY? If not, isn't it better to go with another manufacturer or wait in the dark until a Malkoff becomes available?

I've visited Gene's site dozens of times in the past year. I'm sorry, but every item I was interested in was always out of stock. A Maglight Solitare in hand is better than an unavailable Malkoff Super Mark 29 Bin 6.7 3,500 lumins 1.25 volt flood.

 

[jslappa]

I would go for Dereelight CL1H V4 MC-E with extension tube for two 18650's. With the orange peel reflector it is almost pure flood but for more flood UCL do tape for a few dollars that will kill all throw. The 2.1a is 500 lumen and with two 18650's you will have enough run time. Great quality and won't let you down.

Really nice light for $99! That's great that you get extra orings, tailcap rubber and the ability to select so many different pills. Upgradeable too? I think I found my next light. Now I just need to figure out which pill to get first. Thanks for the tip.

And Mach 1, All I did was call Gene and ask him to make an MC-E for me and he had it done that day. Cathy shipped it USPS Express to me the next morning. All I had to do was Paypal him the money with instructions for Cathy. Gene is so busy that he has to prioritize, and apparently the M30's are a higher priority. Moddoo just bought 8 of them, and 6 or more sold out in less than a day. You can't wait until he has time to make them, gotta put forth more effort and call or email him. Gene is so great, he WILL call you back (probably personally) and take care of you.

 

[electric sheep]

Quality of Dereelight is great and i have had no problems with any pill's. Run on two RC123's it's pocketable or like me carry it in a Maxpedition sheath. The MC-E and reflector give a stunning beam and the R2 with smooth reflector gives a laser like beam. I prefer the look of a SureFire but cannot fault the Dereelight on performance. If Surefires came 18650's ready i would go Dereelight drop in and 6P but as it is i can't deal with the hassle of getting a 6P body bored. The Dereelight is a match in every way except looking like a Surefire.

 

[MrGman]

And as far as quality goes-if you can prove a Malkoff is significantly superior to a Deree-you can have my AE HID!

Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it. What is that AE HID worth $$$ and what type of output does it have. Your tempting me to take you up on that. MrGman :naughty:

 

[ANDREAS FERRARI]

MrGman,I did say prove that a Malkoff is SIGNIFICANTLY superior to a Deree when it comes to QUALITY-how do you propose to do that?

 

[Optik49]

MAC customs P7 in a 1D Mag running off one rechargeable 18650 UNBELEVABLE!

 

[bigchelis]

MrGman,I did say prove that a Malkoff is SIGNIFICANTLY superior to a Deree when it comes to QUALITY-how do you propose to do that?

Heatsinking, build quality, materials used, overall runtime, Lumen Curve, ect....I actually would like to see the outcome of this potentiall bet. The last one with the E2DL was fun to follow and MrGman lost that one if that helps...lovecpf

 

[cfromc]

MrGman,I did say prove that a Malkoff is SIGNIFICANTLY superior to a Deree when it comes to QUALITY-how do you propose to do that?

I suggest this will never happen because your definition of significantly superior will differ from others...but...My Dereelight occasionally changes mode or completely SHUTS-OFF with even a slight impact apparently made at the correct angle. It has done this several times. Maybe its just the particular module (3SM) that I have, and a single-mode wouldn't do it. I don't know. But mine does. I suppose every manufacturer has quirks with some products so how do you prove "significantly superior"?

For a work light, which the Dereelight is, it is more of an inconvenience than anything but for a serious tool, it would be completely unacceptable. I also had to "play around" with the Dereelight to get the beam to be nice and I had to sand down the body and the end to get the Dereelight module to fit better (the flickering/shutting off is actually less frequent after my modification).

Let's face it, the Dereelight is a mass-produced product designed and engineered with a particular price-point high on the list of requirements. It is nice but it not up to the level of a Malkoff that is designed first to be bomb-proof.

That's just my opinion, I only have one Dereelight so my experience with their products is admittedly limited. The beam tint on mine is excellent (warm) and the three modes are nice. I would just trust a Malkoff in an emergency much more than a Dereelight.

 

[MrGman]

MrGman,I did say prove that a Malkoff is SIGNIFICANTLY superior to a Deree when it comes to QUALITY-how do you propose to do that?

Quality is what quality does. I could run harsh testing on both units and see which one dies first. Excessive temperature or humidity, multiple drop tests, and the like. I have a diamond saw and digital camera microscopes. I could cross section through both and see which one was built better and actually document it. Do it all day long on military components.

Quality is built into a unit by design and final workmanship, both can be exposed through destructive testing and ultimate final inspection. In general the Malkoff Units already have a leg up on most other D26 type modules from the fact of the solid brass housing and the complete potting in thermally conductive solid epoxy. I have already dropped several of my own Malkoff's on concrete with no ill effects. That's just the beginning, not the end. Its just one example as to the extreme robustness of the design. Having a 600 lumen plus light is meaningless if the first time you drop it hard it dies. I am not saying the Dereelights will, I am just giving an example. I have had other name brand units I tested that didn't last 30 seconds.

The question I put to you is what is your AE HID worth? I want to know if such a task is actually worth my time and effort.

Just for the record, I own several Malkoff's and Dereelight modules, happy with all of them.

 

[Wattnot]

This is a strange thread. The OP said all he needs to do is light up a room 10 to 30 feet worth. Granted, he's the one that mentioned the MC-E first but why in the world hasn't anyone mentioned that a 500 to 700 (or more) lumen quad emitter is completely wrong for this application?

I have a simple, $55 Malkoff M60F that can light up 100 feet (or more) of everything around so even it is probably overkill for a room. Heck, I bet an M60LF would be enough.

But instead we have everyone pushing handheld stadium lighting when an LOD would probably work!

 

[ANDREAS FERRARI]

MrGman-FWIW-my AE HID is worth about $300.It is 1 year old and has been used only half a dozen times(too big-too bright) Am I willing to wager it on a purely subjective test in which I have no hand-not likely! I respectfully withdraw my offer.I would still like to see some sort of test done.I realize there is your time and effort to consider(not to mention the cost of the modules) but the outcome would be of interest to many.

 

[electric sheep]

None of my Dereelight pills has ever flickered or ceased to work when struck at angles. The only poor aspect is the lack of cleaned threads leaving a gritty feel until you clean them. Heat sinking works very well and potting them with epoxy would be a five minute job. the path to the body is superb and it gets warm at the body quickly showing the heat has an exit to ambient. If i had to put my life on the line i would just make sure the threads where clean and worry about batteries far more than the light.

 

[ANDREAS FERRARI]

BTW,I have spent 7 years in undergrad/postgrad studies.I'm sure you know from statistical analysis class that comparing 1-3 samples of one agent to 1-3 agents of another agent, when both agents number in the thousands,means nothing!!! Hello McFly!!!You can cut open anything you want-it does not mean one line of flashlights is better than another!!!

HELLO-McFLY click here for sound effects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HxJimGgu58

 

[ANDREAS FERRARI]

None of my Dereelight pills has ever flickered or ceased to work when struck at angles. The only poor aspect is the lack of cleaned threads leaving a gritty feel until you clean them. Heat sinking works very well and potting them with epoxy would be a five minute job. the path to the body is superb and it gets warm at the body quickly showing the heat has an exit to ambient. If i had to put my life on the line i would just make sure the threads where clean and worry about batteries far more than the light.

++++++11111111 Dirty threads are my only beef with Deree.The body of my CL1H gets hot after 5 minutes which tells me there is good heat sinking to the body!

 

[cfromc]

BTW,I have spent 7 years in undergrad/postgrad studies.I'm sure you know from statistical analysis class that comparing 1-3 samples of one agent to 1-3 agents of another agent, when both agents number in the thousands,means nothing!!! Hello McFly!!!You can cut open anything you want-it does not mean one line of flashlights is better than another!!!

HELLO-McFLY click here for sound effects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HxJimGgu58

I agree with your first statement regarding 1-3 samples, but have to disagree with your second assumption. The failure rate of a product cannot be determined with such a small and insignificant sample size, HOWEVER, the build quality, design, engineering, individual component quality, materials used, etc. can be determined using small sample sizes. Of course, it would be comparing those exact samples used for the comparison, not new products that have gone through design, supplier, materials, etc. changes. But, it will give an idea of the differences in the products.

Will those differences lead to the early failure of one product versus the other? Who knows, maybe. If you knew what was "inside" of the products, would you choose the one that had better materials, design, build quality? That's a decision for the buyer based on needs and price.

It's really a shame you made an offer you never intended to fulfill. Sounds like you were just throwing BS around hoping no one would call you on it. And you're the one who keeps calling people McFly.:shakehead