I hope my light is one of them. I would love to see a picture of it!
:popcorn: PM replyed on June 14.....
Wow, thats a nice one! ^ ^ ^ :D
I have a Elendil coming from Milky.
I think that he has only two left....then....:poof:
Wow - what a nice light. :party:
Hi Scott, apology accepted:thumbsup:
Looking forward to the photos too :poke:
Scott, I know you been busy.. but anyword on my KT4 build? :eek:
I have a SW2 and a host burning a hole in my pocket... :devil:
Maybe this has been suggested before, but I think Scott would make all of his customers a little happier if he had a thread, not too different from this one, where he kept a running list of who's lights are shipped, complete, being worked on, waiting for parts, and those which are still waiting to be touched. How about the "MilkyLabs Snapshot" thread.
This could be something simple and updated as often as Milky sees it. I have to think that seeing your name/light move up in the cue towards project completion would greatly cut down on the number of "pokes" emailed and posted from everyone who has a light sitting at his place.
I'm in the dark as to how many customer lights Milky has at his place at any given time, but I presume it is larger than many might presume when they send off their light to Milky. My biggest problem is that lights may not necessarily be given attention in the order that they are received. If I'm wrong about this, then shame on me.
That said, there is no way any of our lights has been "under the knife" for as long as they've been at MilkyLabs. At the very least this snapshot would allow customers to ship their light off as their name came closer to the top. Milky could invite people to ship their lights to him as he sees fit. Maybe he wouldn't feel so buried in work (not necessarily a bad thing though!).
I have no problem waiting a year or more to get my own custom MilkySpit creation. What I do have a problem with, is knowing that my light has been sitting idle, as the seasons change, while it waits for its few hours of hands-on time with Scott.
If things don't change, and soon, I'll have to request that my light is returned, in pieces to the last of my knowledge, and take my business elsewhere.
Well Said Inliner. There is an empty spot that would have been filled with an L1, Milkied or not, in my pack for this weekend (I'm climbing San Gorgonio Mountain!). I would have liked it if I had it, but I'm making due.
I trust Scott has a pretty good system, but hopefully if he likes our feedback that makes it easier on everyone, he'll bring us out of the dark.
The only real complaint I would have about the long waiting period is that the parts may become obsolete by the time it's finished. I'm sorely tempted to ask if I could shove the custom module in a C2 Cerakoted host rather than the Type III HA 6P I sent in.
Though it might be easier if I could find someone to cerakote the host after I get it back.
It takes time to run updates and if Milky has to spend time updating publically it will take longer for me to get my ligths:whistle:
I like the idea. However, I'm not sure in practice how viable this approach would be to implement. We should wait for Scott's response.
I think that is an awesome idea, Inliner. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: As he so concisely put it, this would be a separate thread so the people on the list would have an idea as to where their light/s is in the process. The list would most likely help Milky out as well as to keep everything more organized. I have sent him probably three letters but still haven't heard anything back. I know he is probably swamped. I don't have the dough for a custom creation at the moment but in the future I can see the plus+s of knowing whereabouts how each individual project is coming along and roughly the wait time as well. He could update it once a week, once a month, or whatever. Great, great suggestion. +1 here
Well the idea of a status thread is nice but its not something that works with Milkyspit's custom work load. Its been proposed before.
Problem is time, even having a member manage it for him would eat into development and build time because Milkyspit would need to be emailing and coordinating with that member.
And its bound to lead to "hey I sent my light in before that guy how come he got his back already" and the answer is some lights are just easier to mod.
Milky can do a L1 mod in 30 minutes, though it'll sit for an hour+ for epoxy to dry.
However others aren't so straight forward. Multi-emitters, hosts that are brand new, emitters that don't have a reflector or optic available for purchase at release, these all add to the time needed to get the build started.
And don't forget about custom machining, thats not even on Milkyspit, he is held up by his machinist.
And if you have had a light sit in The Lab for more than a year like me, you know that Milkyspit isn't going to send you a light with an outdated emitter.
A little over a year ago at PF12 I left a Surefire 8AX Commander with Milkyspit, now I had carried this light for 4 years on the job, putting it on the table and leaving it there felt like loosing a limb.
I had no idea what I wanted Milky to do to it other than increase the output.
When the Roomsweeper came to light :sssh: I let Milky know where to go with the design, I hoped I'd see it completed by the next PhotonFest but he hadn't figured out how to implement it in this very different host.
Turns out a lot of machining of the host was involved and a one-off drop-in heatsink.
The P7 has certainly seen its day but I still thought the 8AX would serve as a great roomsweeper.
I sent an email asking how things were progressing.
Well then the phone rang and things changed (We need a Milkyspit just called and I'm hyper-excited emoticon)
In the time my light sat in the Lab the SST-50 hit the scene and Milky had designed custom firmware for the TaskLED D2Flex.
I bought Phlat Stanley at PF14 and had a taste of this in the form of a Pocket Rocket.
But now the Niener is more than what I had expected from this projectQuote:
All you have to do is say Milky what are you going to sell me?
The lights really do the selling for him.
There is a High and a Low, it works out to RoomSweeper and GloveBoxSweeper
But there is a defined hotspot
It runs off a B90 or 3 sub-C NiMH
Sorry no runtimes or beamshots yet as I just got it today
Great things come to those who wait
My thanks to The Lab for this beautiful build
I also agree with your comments in the above post. I've been waiting awhile for a very complex build from Scott. Good news is the wait should almost be over, and should be very well worth it. If everything goes according to plan I should be able to post some pretty tasty eye candy soon:naughty:
I've debated for days over whether or not I should post in this thread...I'm certainly no expert on Milky Labs nor can I totally understand what each individual has experienced or is experiencing with Scott. This post is not to "make excuses" for or "defend" Scott - he certainly needs NO excuses or defense from me. These are just my personal observations and opinions
Having had the pleasure of quite a few phone conversations with Scott (just like some of you) perhaps I have a bit of insight into what drives him. Scott is a perfectionist, and engineer, an artist - and he really cares about the work he does. He doesn't profess to be a 'businessman' - but he does insist on delivering the best possible product. Similar to Data, the prices he charges and the time he takes are, quite frankly, amazingly low considering the amount of thought, creativity, time and effort that he puts into the work. And sure, sometimes a light might not be done right away - sure, it might take a year - but he isn't running an assembly line! Rather, he is working to squeeze every possible ounce of performance and innovation that he can at a real value to the ultimate consumer.
The 'artisans' that remain on the forum are obvious and I don't need to point them out. As long as there is demand for their craft, they will hopefully keep producing their products. As long as people request different and custom items and Scott and others choose to do so, they can keep producing them. As long as they can support their families doing this, they'll hopefully keep on keeping on.
Let's face it - if we want quality, "assembly line" products, the availability is amazing, whether we want American made or something made in a different country. We can get quick delivery and 70-80% of the performance of the custom products. If the demand is such that Scott and others feel the need to shift to that type production, then perhaps they would, but then their products would not have as much desirability nor be quite as 'special.'
And I know for a fact that Scott and others don't make big profits - sometimes they even might struggle a bit - but they don't cut corners or move to quickly to satisfy their need for profit or to more quickly complete a job - I've owned 3 Milky products and they are all still working perfectly, and Scott can upgrade them when he advances the technology he offers.
Now mind you, I understand being eager to receive the finished product - I was among many who waited a while to receive a recent high end light. I was really impatient and considered backing away from the transaction a number of times. But in my opinion, the true test of whether it is worth the wait is fairly simple. Have you ever heard the expression, "Having is not quite as satisfying as wanting?" That's true of many things....but in the case of the custom lights I have been fortunate enough to acquire, it has been just the opposite - HAVING is far more satisfying than the waiting/wanting. And to me, that's the test of it being worth the wait - if having it - using it for days, weeks, months, years is satisfying and makes the memory of the wait fade. For me, that has been the case with Scott's, Dave's, Don's, Fred's, Mac's, and many others' custom lights.
Whew - sorry - didn't mean to get verbose!:o:o And congratulations to all of you who are waiting for or have received a light from Milky!!:twothumbs
Well said, Dan.
None of us really understand what it takes to make a Milky light.
The cost, time, expertise or effort.
Most of all the passion to make the best.
Good things take time.
We need to support people like Milky, not expect him to do things that are impossible.
Milky gives us 100%, but some things are out of his control.
Like run4jc said, when your Milky light arrives, you forget about the time it took to create a true custom light.
Fast, Good or Cheap. Pick two.
Below are the options when creating a project, clients must choose only two out of the three options. They can't have it all.
It's a reality of life, clients must deal with it. Custom flashlight builders must deal with it.
Good + Fast = Expensive
Choose good and fast and we will postpone every other job, cancel all appointments and stay up 25-hours a day just to get your job done.
But, don't expect it to be cheap.
Good + Cheap = Slow
Choose good and cheap and we will do a great job for a discounted price, but please be patient.
Fast + Cheap = Inferior
Choose fast and cheap and expect an inferior job delivered on time.
You truly get what you pay for, and in our opinion this is the least favorable choice of the three.
There is good argument made against a detailed progress report, but would someone explain why Milky couldn't accept lights in batches as time and space come available for him to start working on them?
photo time !?!? :poke:
I like you debated whether to post here or not :thinking: and like you had to say my piece.
Your quote above rings so true for me and I'm an anal one to be sure. I have learned over my 63 years to learn some patience, but mind you it still comes hard to me :whistle:.
As the saying goes "Good things come to those who wait" and wait we must for the goodness that Scott turns out. Scott has done a couple mods for me and they were well worth waiting for albeit I didn't wait to long back then. As a matter of fact I contacted Scott about another mod I want probably over a month ago. I have heard nothing back from Scott yet and this is OK I know his situation and I will wait :popcorn:.
So I've said my piece and IMHO run4jc you were not verbose.
Wanted: Lamp Assemblies?
Anybody got some M3, M4, or M6 compatible lamp assemblies they're not using and wouldn't mind donating to science, or perhaps trading for credit toward a project? Specifically, I'm interested in the spring assembly itself, so the LA doesn't even have to work. Send me your burned-out assemblies for fun and (not much) profit! :D
If anybody can help, give me a holler.
Any time to post some roomsweeper pics?:naughty:
Check your email.