I've spent a good amount of time/cash preparing for this year's Hurricane season, and am in a much better position to handle whatever mother nature throws my way.
Hurricane season is just around the corner; do you have your supplies?
I've spent a good amount of time/cash preparing for this year's Hurricane season, and am in a much better position to handle whatever mother nature throws my way.
Re: Hurricane season is just around the corner; do you have your supplies?
I'm good with food/water. Have a larger type generator, but would love to have a small Honda generator, something like the EU1000i. I could use that for the small things if we had another extended blackout situation. It is small enough and quiet enough that I could put it in the screened in porch and use it to run the TV and a fan.
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Yeah, we've got quite a bit more put away this year, across the board. Fortunately the hurricane preparations dovetail with other current threats that we're just as concerned with.
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Like what, SubUmbra??
I love my Al-PD
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Iran, massive earthquakes or the bird flu to name a few. I cant speak for SubUmbra but on the top of my list of 'bad things that might happen' are the bird flu and a major war with iran 3rd is gas prices hitting 5, 6, maybe 7 bucks a gallon and the major roits, panics, and economic breakdown that would come with it. Thankfully I dont like in hurricane country so I dont have to worry about that.Originally Posted by ACMarina
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. - Albert Einstein
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Well, since I'm no longer living on da island, there's no hurricane emergency supply at the ready. But then again, I'm now living in an earthquake zone!
LUX'Ottica
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We have more food stored away this year. Especially frozen chicken and a case of #10 cans of powdered whole eggs. As soon as the first chicken in a commercial farm in this country gets the bird flu we will follow suit and slaughter millions of birds. There will probably be temporary shortages of chicken related items throughout the country.
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if you live in earthquake zone, you need airballoons to escape damaged streets.Well, since I'm no longer living on da island, there's no hurricane emergency supply at the ready. But then again, I'm now living in an earthquake zone!
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I'm kinda twitched out by the possibility of an Avian Flu pandemic and/or some kind of bio-terror event. I've mentioned before that I always tend to group those two things together because the government's response to both would include many similar elements, centering around a policy of 'Sheltering in Place.' From what I've read I think it's the best approach by far, but it poses some real challenges preparedness-wise -- for the individual/family and at all levels of government.
IMO Bird Flu/bio-terror attacks are much more difficult to prepare for than something like hurricanes. With a hurricane you can stock up for a few weeks and many will have the option to flee. With anything contagious it becomes a real come as you are party. Everyone will be advised to just sit tight -- to hunker down while the govt teaches itself how to run distribution of food, health care and fuel. They will have to learn everything at once. There will be fits and starts.
They will try not to use the word quarantine but that's the way it will play. Those who try to comply will just have to make do while they are waiting for food to be delivered locally to a place where they may go to pick it up for their families. Dropping off food from helicopters in post-K New Orleans often looked just like video of kicking food out of choppers to mobs in any other country.
Folks will not only run out of their high blood pressure meds, many will also run out of their anti-depressants and anti-psychotics. I know that many will think I'm way over the top on this but I've actually seen most of what I'm writing about already -- here in the States.
You're going to need enough of everything you need to get you and yours through this on your own until the new distribution systems work well enough to not kill you. You don't want to be one of the first to have to rely on the new systems for food, drugs or fuel.
Aside from all that, I think that we're still trending towards more active hurricane seasons in the GOM.
I'm actually feeling pretty positive in spite of how grim I sound sometimes. I've got a plan. I don't have to do it all today -- or tomorrow. Now isn't the time to be bummed out -- we've gotten a heads up and anyone who wants to can do something to prepare for it. Even what may seem like the slightest preparations may help you greatly if they are well thought out. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other.
Last edited by Sub_Umbra; 05-01-2006 at 09:49 PM.
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You know, I never thought about that?if you live in earthquake zone, you need airballoons to escape damaged streets.
LUX'Ottica
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Ras_Thavas,
Have you got a link for the #10 cans of powdered whole eggs? That's brilliant!
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http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/ind...S&Category=241
I have not eaten any of mine yet, but others who have reported they were good, but somewhat flat when made into scrambeled eggs. They got good results making omeletts out of them. They can be substituted in recipies where eggs are called for.
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I keep my BOB loaded at all times, and rotate the perishables as needed. The most likely event is a natural disaster such as a hurricane and after that a terrorist attack. I need to get some MREs' or the such though...
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we're certainly better prepared this year to bug out in case of hurricane. With 2 young children sheltering in place with high water levels and no electricity and no AC just isn't an appealing option. We have friends far enough inland that we'll just go there.
For sheltering in place, we're still working on this but each year I'm better prepared for everything. We have enough staples to go a couple of weeks without much trouble. And are better off now that I just placed an order for some dried eggs and milk
I still need to purchase a small generator and get a transfer switch for the well pump so that water isn't a problem. Thats going to be my first major infrastructure change, and as soon as I've got the cash it will get done.
Project number one today though will be figuring out how the bats are getting into my attic! I was chasing bats last night at 2am, catching some under overturned waste baskets prior to putting them back outside, and ended up having to duct tape the attic access stairs shut to keep them from crawling around the cracks and down into the house! YIKES! i have no desire to go back up there at the moment, but I guess I have to sort that out...
-James
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Remember the other important thing about disaster prep... be stealthy about it!
I hate to sound so cynical but the truth is that when trouble strikes and your neighbors haven't had anything to eat or drink for a couple of days they aren't going to care about being nice anymore, they are only going to care about getting some food/water any way they can.
You are safer if others don't know just how prepared you are.
Along the same lines some survival sites advocate putting together an extra survival bag as a sort of decoy that you can toss out and say.."here, it's all we've got, take it!" to diffuse the situation.
"Notorious collector of things that glow, shine, or blink"
CPF # 9435
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Here is a post I put out on a site I moderate, it directly pertains to this topic so here goes.
In the few years there have been a number of big hurricanes, most notably Katrina, but many others also, tornadoes, ice storms, power outages, person lost or caught in the wild, etc. . Many opportunities to learn, sometimes at others expenses unfortunately. What have you learned, or simply had reiterated strongly to you, from these things. Here are a just a few I have picked up, or had shown how important they are. Some might be a bit controversial or seem less needed to some for their location, but each must take their own lessons for their own situation and most of these can be used in any location under the right circumstances.
1.Totes – there were a lot of stories came out of the Hurricanes about people who had provisions but they were lost by getting saturated when water overtook their position either unexpectedly or before they could move out or while on the move. Totes will help aleviate this and can even float to a degree in deeper water. Now remember they are not waterproof normally, but better than a backpack or duffle, keep those inside the tote till needed.
2. Leave early – Do not leave late if you can help it many people got stuck in huge long lines of traffic and paid various moderate to heavy prices for doing so. Remember everything except your family can be replaced. Get out while you can have multiple options. Plan for this and make options ahead of time. If you decide to remain, try and stay as hidden as possible, looters and other predators WILL want what you have. This means you will need more ready to hand supplies then if you are leaving.
3.Flashlights/lighting – You could be in the dark for a long time, and batteries may be hard to find or come by, therefore this means LED personal lighting, sorry but incandescent Maglights D, C and Minimags and Surefires etc, chew up batteries way to fast to be efficient for this purpose.
a. Each person, adult or child needs a personal light to use, especially when on the move and getting separated might be an issue. AA Minimags modded with MJLED or other Led options can give up to 30 hours of useful light. There are other options but think runtime over brightness no matter what you choose. CR123 lights like the Inova X5 can give 10 or more hours on a set of batteries. Lightwave lights depending upon battery type can provide hundreds of hours of battery life on one set of batteries.
b. If the light is to be stored, Lithium batteries are best for long term storage, especially in cold weather with up to 10 year shelf life.
c. Headlamps – a couple of these should be available for the family use for chores where hands free is needed.
d. One or two high powered long distance “throwers” like a 3 or 4 C or D Maglight, an Inova X0 or X03 or Steamlight Propoly can be handy for search and rescue of family members.
e. An Led lantern , candle lantern or coleman can give good comfort for family times.
f. Keep and rotate a good stock of batteries
4. Each and every member needs to carry a signaling device such as a whistle in case you get separated.
5.FRS radios can be handy but remember frequencies are likely to be jammed with traffic and perhaps of little use.
6.Corded phones are a must, at least one per home. Most cordless sets die when the power goes out. Cell phones can go out when the power goes out also if the towers lose power (this is personal experience).
7.Keep a few meals with other supplies, separate from your regular stores, even the humble ramen noodles can fill a hungry belly and store small.
8.Keep a grouping of water bottles filled for use until you can filter or obtain other water. Even if you have larger containers, something can happen to separate them from you.
9.Water purification – always have multiple methods to obtain drinking water, storage containers and purification containers.
10.Each person should have a watch and compass as soon as they are old enough to learn how to use them, in case of separations.
11.Never underestimate boredom to lead one into trouble, especially children– have a collection of books, games and other entertainment available.
12.Vacuum packing items for storage can be invaluable – buy a cheap packer and lots of bags and put in everything that water can wreck for storage. This includes food, clothing etc.
13.When on the move have spare socks in personal packs as this can save the feet in damp weather from rot this goes for underwear also.
14.A good UPT for each kit can prove invaluable.
15.Have city/street local maps with all access roads and topo maps of local areas available, with possible escapes routes marked in advance. Many people got hopelessly lost when they could not access the main roads and were forced to try and find alternative routes.
16.Firearms – If you choose to go armed on the move, try and be as inconspicuous as possible. This means handguns, or broken down longarms. Military type rifles get more attention than common “hunting” arms, especially by police and military types. If you choose firearms, it is preferable that all adults be trained in their use and available for their use in case of injury to the leader.
17.Blankets/bedding – Make sure you have enough spare blankets and bedding for each person in the party in your emergency kits. Space blankets are handy for short term but are sadly lacking in the long term. Inflatable pillows make a nice touch for sleeping when away from ones bed and they take up little space. You can often find in places like Sportsmans guide, cheap wool emergency/military blankets sold by the dozen for very reasonable.
This is hardly in inclusive list, or meant to be a complete set of planning tools, they are simply a few thoughts put together thinking of the recent past events. What things have occurred to you?
Lee
Life is too important to be taken seriously: Oscar Wilde
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Lee1959,
What a thoughtful list. Some of those things are very counterintuitive -- like planning for your entertainment in an emergency. I've mentioned this to people a few times and it's so far out from what most think on the subject that they can't relate at all.
During our 'Anne Frank' thing last year Mrs Umbra and I listened to audiobooks and old radio detective shows for 1-2 hours a night. We played the MP3s on a battery operated personal CD player and two of us could listen on a small speaker plugged into the headphone jack. For us it was more relaxing than reading books because we could do it in a very dimly lit room and it is a posture independent activity that we could do together. I really can't describe how good it made us feel.
Even if you are well prepared for an emergency you will end up spending many of your waking hours thinking about how you may improvise something or other with whatever you have to work with. (This is a really good reason to resist the urge to gloss over things in your planning by telling yourself that you'll just improvise when the time comes. The truth is more like you'll end up improvising for all kinds of things you never anticipated and if you planned to improvise from the start you won't have as many items to draw from when you really need to improvise.)
Sometimes we spent a lot of time not really worrying -- just trying to come up with a solution to one minor problem or annoyance after another. IMO it is great to be able to turn your mind off for an hour or two each day by having something to entertain yourself.
You may find yourself in a situation where you get much less stimuli than you are used to. You may not realize how stressful it can be for some to be 'cooped up' 24 hours a day with kid/spouse/in-laws or even some strangers. We didn't have any of these 'critical mass' relationships to deal with but it was really nice to be able to turn our brains off for an hour or two each night before bed.
Last edited by Sub_Umbra; 05-02-2006 at 09:54 AM.
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Sub Umbra,
You make a very good point about reduced stimuli and how some people have a terrible time with it. I do a lot of camping/backpacking and over the years I have taken any number of friends out with me and it still amazes me how many people are completely incapable of just sitting still.
Initially I had to bring a small radio for my wife (then my girlfriend) to put on at a very low volume otherwise she couldn't get to sleep.
"Notorious collector of things that glow, shine, or blink"
CPF # 9435
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Sub-Umbra, thank you, I have given this kind of thing a decent amount of thought the past few years. I started thinking about boredom being a big foe during an emergency a few years ago during the big East Coast blackout when we were without power for 3 days. It was more of a inconvience than anything to us as we were still able to cook on gas range, and have showers with a gas hot water heater, but boredom kind of creeps in, especially since my wife works as a nurse on the afternoon shift and I was by myself, so there was no one to even talk to after dark. It got rather boring, even using a light and reading, which I enjoy.
I soon discovered that people in the neighboring areas were even worse while I walked around at night. I had flashlights aplenty but not so everyone. I even saw one guy so bored he was throwing his only minimag up into the air and catching it, eventually it hit the ground with predictable results. One older woman had th epolice at her home at least 10 times in the 3 days, looking for noises she heard, I think she was just bored and lonely. The dark, boredom, lack of stimuli as you point out, can do some very odd things to people. One man I later found out just about completley gutted his home looking for an electronic hand game he insisted he had. Interesting what can happen to people when they are forced to live witout instant entertainment.
My wife and I now have a lot of board games and card games we, like your wife and yourself, play usually once a week on her night off. Oddly enough one of our favorites is the old childs game Candyland, and Cribbage with my grandfathers cribbage board. We find it to be very enjoyable spending the quiet fun time together.
BTW. I love the old radio serials on tape, I have a few sets of Sherlock Holmes, 4 sets of the Shadow (Orson Wells), and a few others I enjoyu listening to in the car. I also have a lot of books on tape, they are enjoyable also so I know what you mean.
Oh yes, every flashlight, above photon size, has a cigar tube (wrapped with nylon duck hunters decoy cord) rubber banded to it with spare batteries so they are right with the flashlight and easily removed to stick in a pocket for carry when the light is used. Also the rubber bands and cord come in handy come in very handy for a myriad of the improvisations you mentioned.
Last edited by Lee1959; 05-02-2006 at 12:45 PM.
Lee
Life is too important to be taken seriously: Oscar Wilde
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Heres a typed up basic version of my BOB, its lost quite a bit of stuff as i experiment and see whats useful and whats not. It's also gained a few things too. Let me know if you have any questions. Sorry its so unorganized, it condensed it down to fit on a page and stash a few around in case my computer goes kapoot.
BOB version 2.3 (updated 4-9-06)
History: created early 2005: very basic contents.
Ver1.5 added food/water/emergency blankets
Ver2.0 moved to running bag
Ver2.1 added tarps/water purification
Ver2.2 added 2 lights, cold steel, gloves, nalgen, babywipes, updated first aid stuff, added food
CONTENS*
OUTSIDE POCKET: 1.Unused knockoff nalgen (for water), 'Boss' orange work gloves (leather), (in a bag so watertight)Target 2AA light, 12 hr emergency candle, green 12hr glowstick, Sharpie, SAK (basic), knockoff photon, orange caution tape, Kleenex, 20lb fishing line, whistle
MAIN POCKET: 1. Mountain house chicken dinner.
2. Small plastic bag with coghlans survival guide, softkins (about 4) waterproof paper, and signle mirror
3. Small fishing box with rubber bands around it: cut up fire bars (colman) fishing hookes (3 sizes 2 of each), waterproof matches, whistle, super glue, 2 sets earplugs, 20 feet nylon rope, thread (lots), anchor things (a hole and a screw on the other end), water tablets (de tasterizing ones)
4. Knockoff nalgen: 6.5 bars of fire starters, 4 ‘tea’ candles, 2 bic lighters, 1 ‘usmil firebar’, 1 magnesium+ flint bar, 10AA batts, about 60 assorted twist ties, 1 mini lightstick, quarters
5. Tool kit contents: high pitch whistle, 4 jewelers screwdrivers, tweezers, bit screw driver, with 2 8peice bit sets, bit screwdriver, large SAK, cheapie multitool (for pliers + flat screwdriver), tire pressure gauge, bent paper clips, ‘engraving thing’ (pen thing with a tungsten end), solar calc in large pouch.
6. Loose in bag: 2 cans cambells chunky soup, 1 Progresso, 6 granola bars, 1 cheap metal bowl (walmart), large gater aid mix infused with sugar (duct taped shut) 1 lg roll duct tape, with socks in the center
7. Medical bag: large germx bottle, emergency poncho, paper/pen, small roll Duct tape, antibacterial wipes, Dorcy AAA, ledmag, Dramamine, compass (on zipper), chap stick, ibuprofen, head ach meds, sewing kit, sterile razors, sterile needles, sterile ban aids (about 20 in diff sizes), bug bite kit, Imodium AD, peptide AC, signal mirror, large band aids, Ace wrapping cloths, anti itch banidrill stuff, small radio,
8. Black toilet trees bag from target: 2 spools nylon paracord (green), steel wire (small gauge), poncho, Dorcy AAA, paperclips (2 sizes), sticky notes, Leatherman supertool adaptor, wrench multi tool, large painters tarp, 3x small trash bags 1 large tashbag, zip ties (30ish), sharpening stone, large Kershaw folder.
9. Camera case bag: nice compass, infinity ultra w/extra batt, Leatherman micra/supertool 200, with sharpie, Stanley crowbar (ground down to work as screw driver, emergency blanket, poncho, paracord, glasses
10. In plastic bag: 2x painters tarps (thin) 4x dust masks (quality, about 100 ft paracord, 2x large trash bags, 2 large zip ties.
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. - Albert Einstein
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Hmm, our gasprice is actually about 7$ a gallon right now. Norway's not the cheapest country to live in, but I belive our wages is a bit higher than average.
Thomas
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Not only that but I'll bet in your country 20% of the population doesn’t drive cars that get less then 18 MPG in city driving. Think of what would happen in your economy if gas hit 30 bucks a gallon. That probably would be about equivalent to 7$ here. Also Norway is a smaller country. Where I live pretty much everything gets trucked in from 500+ miles away, meaning the price of everything would go up.
Best
-David
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. - Albert Einstein
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On March 1st the Red Cross sent out a notice to Amateur Radio folks. This season which starts June 1st is likely to be worse than last years with computer models showing major hits to the East Coast. "Charge your batteries!". The usual winter survival kits need to be changed over to summer kits, out with the portable cat heaters and stock-ip on instant ice and hydration packs. Rotate the three days of food using the old ones and replacing them with new ones, same goes for personal medications. After seeing last year's mess a couple of Winchester 30-30's were added to the supplies. Gas for the generator has to be rotated, using it to cut the lawn and fuel the cars and replaces with new gas. Have to remember to change the oil, get extra oil and a couple of spare spark plugs. Before the season starts have to check all the transceivers and hand-helds and the antennas. Since we may have to become rapid responders the Go-kits have to be checked. I know I'm forgetting stuff but there is a month or so to remember.
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I live in Ohio and I'm planning on going inland
I love my Al-PD
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Thought I would bump this thread as a reminder. It's far better to prepare ahead of time, so you can avoid the last minute rush for batteries, water, etc.
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Even though i live in a basically environmental disaster free zone, ive always grown up with a stockpile of supplies in my garage. Having grandparents lived through the war, they always seem to have a thing for over buying on canned and preserved foods, toilet paper, rice etc etc
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Friday night and Saturday Barry provided us with a much needed 5 1/2" of rain and not much wind. The thing I don't hear prople (news media) talking about is that if the water temperature in the Gulf had been 8°F - 10°F warmer, which it will be in a couple of months, probably three fourths of Tampa, Clearwater, St. Petersburg and other neighboring cities could have been virtually destroyed. To make matters worse, there would have been very little warning, no time to prepare and little time to evacuate.
This was a much closer call than most poeple realize and we really did luck out. I hope there is no repeat in August or September.
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Excellent point, I have not thought much about this, but the number of people who are anti-depressants and other meds is surprisingly large.
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not too worried down here in Florida...we get the sig to evacuate every once awhile but nothing too serious have ever hit us..other than the downed trees and power lines...but being 5 feet above seal level, I suppose theres really no way to prepare for a flood
all the insurance, certificates, receipts, all the records are placed in individual ABS plastic tubs with handles. the drill has been practiced many times of how everything should be placed in the van when the time comes
as far as food and water....food is going to be primary rations of canned goods from chunkys and grain bars [I prefer not to deal with the MREs and freeze-dried foods since I haven't found a stable supply of it to work with so I base my organization on conventional household inventory
Water will be in 2 liter bottles transfered from 5 gallon jugs we receive from Crystal springs every two weeks or so, the hurricane preparation literature says "1 gallon per person per day" but previous experiences found that to be unnecessary and heavy...for survival reasons on an extended outage I can always filter questionable water using socks and rely on chlorine tablets anyway.
lighting wouldn't be an issue
having 23 flashlights, 2 florescent lanterns, and 3 kerosene burning lamps ensures that everyone in the house have at least two spare lights aside from the one they are using. as much as I hate to admit, lights are expendable, lives aren't...if some guy is trying to steal the light, its better to hand it to him than stand your ground with a pocketknife without any experience to hand-to-hand combat
Tarps, sleeping bags are all rolled and prepared, we have a 4 people tent in case we needed it. sleeping bags lose their ability to insulate when they become wet so theres a few packs of "space blankets" in the bag also.
a Toolbox is assembled and a few hatchets in case we have to clear a way out but after 11 years of facing hurricanes we just relied on the chainsaw. a few pocket knives and two SAKs which comes quite handy as pocket toolboxes. aside from the generalities of tools in the garage I found a few expandable hiking sticks that resists breakage and by tieing pocket saws to the end with nylon cords it makes a pretty good saw....and a improvised weapon.
only inadequate part would be communication, in the event that cellphones don't work all we have is signal mirrors....I need to locate some walkie-talkies. I suppose I can start fires by using matches, lighters, or simply a few pairs or lithium batteries if necessary
the only real issue is our "get away vehicle"
its a 96 Nissan Quest with over 140 thousand miles on it...new batteries, replaced the coolant piping, wipers...and now the gearbox has issues
In the event that it cannot be driven [really doubt that can ever happen] its a pretty good shelter with the radio, air condition, and a 400watt inverter for basic goods in terms of lighting [cant expect the baby inverter to power a microwave
EDIT: plastic bags, they come pretty handy for those "impossible to waterproof objects"
Last edited by Illum; 06-03-2007 at 10:17 AM.
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I consider myself lucky in that I don't really live in an area that has much natural disasters...Most of my life I lived in North NJ, and I am now living in North East PA, so the worst thign we have to be prepared for is some flooding...So in the house I just have plenty of flashlights, lol, and in the cars I have aof course more flashlights, and a emergency kit with flares, spare cloths, and canned food in case we ever get stuck in the car on the way home...
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