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    Quote Originally Posted by frisco
    Hey Cro,

    Thanks for the list keeping.

    I'm number 49 and 51

    I listed in a previous post the request for a Aluminum one in addition to #49 and #51. Please let me know if thats possible.

    Thanks, frisco
    No problem frisco, I'll adjust it at the next update along with all the other new change requests. You have low numbers so no worries with options for you.

    Thanks for posting your serial numbers.
    Last edited by CroMAGnet; 06-27-2006 at 01:07 AM.

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    Doesn't look i made the list. Could you add me?
    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel
    Look at me, just running across this now. I'm in for one and a turbo head with the not-uPIC driver. Most likely AL and S-bin, though i'll wait for details to say for sure on those two details.
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    Looks like I did overlook you Archangel. That means you go into the Helios spot and Helios bumps Shaocaholica to the first back-up position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CroMAGnet
    Looks like I did overlook you Archangel. That means you go into the Helios spot and Helios bumps Shaocaholica to the first back-up position.

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    Don't stress too much Shaocaholica. The odds are that at least one of the first 150 people will back out for one reason or another.

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    Tony,

    Just so there is no ambiguity in my preferences, please adjust #55 to reflect "TiN with Turbo" and Backup - #13 "Aluminum with Turbo".

    Thanks for all your work on keeping the list and for being so patient with those of us who are being a PITA with all our changes.
    Jim - Have lights, lead, and steel will travel

    The heck with runtime. I just want to hold the sun in my hands!! Brighter is Better!

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    any idea what the runtime on high will be on the DRACO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jar3ds
    any idea what the runtime on high will be on the DRACO?
    I've heard 80 hours on high and 1200 hours on low, but that's only if you are using the new micro Mr Fusion fuel cell.
    Jim - Have lights, lead, and steel will travel

    The heck with runtime. I just want to hold the sun in my hands!! Brighter is Better!

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    I am currently 145 on the list in post #6 - if possible I would like to switch to Al from Ti - let me know if I need to find someone to trade spots with or if its all good. I don't really care what serial number I end up with in the end.

    Thanks!

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    *** Design Change ***
    Due to the many request for LuxI I have change the default LED to LuxI. LuxIII will be an option.

    Here's a quick explaination of why I sucum to the request.

    If we use a constant current converter, then the most logical choice for LED is a LuxI (S-bin). From preliminary data it have consistantly outperform the LuxIII (U-bin) by ~3-7%. Tint (color) is also much more manageable.

    However, I do not recommend the LuxI for those individual who selected the uPic converter option. The uPIC basically PWM (on-off-on-off quickly) the LED. During the ON cycle the LED could experience current surge as high as 1200mA. LuxI internal resistant significantly increase when it's driven at > 500mA. LEDs are solid state device it not like incandescent, which is more tolerant to burst. So if you want to use uPIC option I recommend the LuxIII , which is much more tolerant to that current level.


    Shaocaholica: Diagonal knurling is the final production design.
    Icebreak: Yes it could be more precise ... actually it could be down to 0.0002" (0.005mm) but then it will carry the cost of "space shuttle" parts.
    Final price = Current Price << 3
    jar3ds: Runtime:
    · ~ hi setting (350mA) = 33 minutes
    · ~ low setting (60mA) = 3.6 hours
    JimH: You're killing me. The're gonna make me commit to that. Then I'll start doing more R&D with the with the Micro Jet Engine. Here are some samples.
    At that point Draco will really be breathing out fire.
    Last edited by modamag; 06-27-2006 at 01:45 PM.

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    OK after running the numbers thru our our machineshop, accountants, and several prominent members here are the preliminary pricing.

    === Aluminum 6061-T6 (Nickel Electroless plating) ===
    Draco (complete light) ... $149.99
    Turbo head... $49.99
    Extended Battery Pack (AAA) ... TBA

    === Titanium 6AL-4V (TiN / TiCN coating) ===
    Draco (complete light) ... $254.99
    Turbo head... $119.99
    Extended Battery Pack (AAA) ... TBA

    * $0.01 fuel surcharge per item.

    <Marketing Tone Enable>

    Standard light features.
    - Integrated E-Can = improve thermal management
    - Optical grade Sapphire lens = improve durability & light transmission
    - McR-11 reflector = improve beam profile
    - Premium S@O@ LuxI emitter = maximize light output at no power cost
    * Optional: U@O@ LuxIII emitter = ideal for overdrive.
    - Custom O-ring seal = water proof
    - Constant Current Regulation (60mA / 350mA) = minimize degradation of LED
    * Optional: uPIC PWM (lo/hi/burst) = achieve maximum brightness
    - Battery spacer
    - Keychain attachment

    Benefit / Drawback
    + Smallest and lightest Luxeon based semi-production light
    + Brightest light in its class, well it's the only light in the class.
    + Rechargeable and low cost of operation
    - So small it's easily misplace if not properly storage
    - Friends will borrow and keep it indefinitely
    - Your wife (significant other) will also want one

    <Marketing Tone Disable>
    Last edited by modamag; 06-27-2006 at 03:08 PM.

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    I'm in. It don't scare me !


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    I 'm in for the alum. CC version. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by modamag
    === Aluminum 6061-T6 (Nickel Electroless plating) ===
    Draco (complete light) ... $149.99
    * $0.01 fuel surcharge per item.

    - Premium S@O@ LuxI emitter = maximize light output at no power cost
    * Optional: U@O@ LuxIII emitter = ideal for overdrive.

    - Constant Current Regulation (60mA / 350mA) = minimize degradation of LED
    * Optional: uPIC PWM (lo/hi/burst) = achieve maximum brightness
    I'm still in for an Aluminum version. (Serial #112 - I don't care about the serial number for the light, although if 21 does open up I'd love to have it)

    A few questions:
    1. What are the current levels for the uPIC? (I'm hoping lo and hi will be equal to the standard model (60/350) and burst will be whatever the battery can provide without exploding.)

    2. Is there a price premium for the uPIC and/or U-bin LuxIII?

    3. Any special behavior for the uPIC - is it similar to a 2-stage switch (twisting one direction advances through stages, twisting opposite direction backs down through stages to off)?

    Thanks
    Last edited by srue; 06-27-2006 at 03:53 PM. Reason: Added serial number

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    Modamag, CroMAGnet,
    I'm #132 and #133 on the list. After reviewing the specs posted, please change my request to:
    #132 TiN, no Turbo, Constant Current Regulation, Lux I.
    #133 Al, no Turbo, Constant Current Regulation, Lux I.
    Awaiting pricing and runtimes on the extended battery packs.
    Turbo head a little too much for me .



    k-2

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    Quote Originally Posted by modamag
    OK after running the numbers thru our our machineshop, accountants, and several prominent members here are the preliminary pricing.

    === Aluminum 6061-T6 (Nickel Electroless plating) ===
    Draco (complete light) ... $149.99
    Turbo head... $49.99
    Extended Battery Pack (AAA) ... TBA

    === Titanium 6AL-4V (TiN / TiCN coating) ===
    Draco (complete light) ... $254.99
    Turbo head... $119.99
    Extended Battery Pack (AAA) ... TBA

    * $0.01 fuel surcharge per item.

    <Marketing Tone Enable>

    Standard light features.
    - Integrated E-Can = improve thermal management
    - Optical grade Sapphire lens = improve durability & light transmission
    - McR-11 reflector = improve beam profile
    - Premium S@O@ LuxI emitter = maximize light output at no power cost
    * Optional: U@O@ LuxIII emitter = ideal for overdrive.
    - Custom O-ring seal = water proof
    - Constant Current Regulation (60mA / 350mA) = minimize degradation of LED
    * Optional: uPIC PWM (lo/hi/burst) = achieve maximum brightness
    - Battery spacer
    - Keychain attachment

    Benefit / Drawback
    + Smallest and lightest Luxeon based semi-production light
    + Brightest light in its class, well it's the only light in the class.
    + Rechargeable and low cost of operation
    - So small it's easily misplace if not properly storage
    - Friends will borrow and keep it indefinitely
    - Your wife (significant other) will also want one

    <Marketing Tone Disable>
    That's one heck of a deal for such a powerful and versatile tiny custom flashlight!

    OK! So now that the prices have been announced, please confirm your interest for SN and options so I can split off the lists for Al, TiCN and TiN. Post 6 list will have numerical list priority.

    Please put your 2nd choice if you want a Draco either way, at the posted prices. Hopefully everyone gets what they want.

    Modamag....
    You might want to change the Thread title to "Confirm Your Draco Options. Paypal coming soon" or something like that, because we have to have the requests confirmed available before they paypal.

    Last edited by CroMAGnet; 06-27-2006 at 05:38 PM.

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco"

    Ok,


    I want the following:

    Aluminum 6061-T6 (Nickel Electroless plating)
    Draco (complete light) ... $149.99
    Turbo head... $49.99

    Optional: U@O@ LuxIII emitter = ideal for overdrive.
    Optional: uPIC PWM (lo/hi/burst)



    Thanks,

    Benny
    Last edited by MorpheusT1; 06-27-2006 at 05:51 PM.

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    To confirm:
    #006 - 1 Ti Draco, TiCN, Ubin, Constant Current Regulation,
    I may be interested in the Extended Battery Pack depending on cost.

    I would like to withdraw from the Turbo option please.
    Last edited by malcontent; 06-27-2006 at 05:59 PM.

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    #44 Icebreak. I'm still in for Ti/TiCN.

    Diagonal knurling...Yee Haw!
    Extended Battery Pack (AAA)...Woo Whoo!

    srue -

    Good questions.

    AW -

    Can we get the batteries and chargers from you? If so, would you give us a link to the correct ones?
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    #123 on post 6
    My preferences for SN in order: #8, #18, #28, #38, #50, first available

    Titanium 6AL-4V TiCN coating
    Draco (complete light) ... $254.99
    Turbo head... $119.99
    Extended Battery Pack (AAA) ... TBA
    Premium S@O@ LuxI emitter (SXOH preferred)

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    Gotta read this in the morning to make the right decision. See ya then!


    Karl

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    Hi,

    I would like to make the following changes to;

    S/N #92: Aluminum/Turbo head/luxIII/uPIC PWM

    S/N #121: Aluminum/standard package.

    Thanks,

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    can i please get on the backup list for any serial number of...

    Aluminum 6061-T6 / Draco (complete light) ... $149.99
    Aluminum 6061-T6 / Extended Battery Pack (AAA) ... TBA

    can't decide on S or U bin and with or without PWM regulation
    whatever gives the best runtime is what i want

    thanks
    Last edited by liqht; 06-27-2006 at 06:58 PM.

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    What's our rough timetable for payment? That may make my confirmation for my second Al unit change. But here is the definite confirmed...

    S/N #1
    Titanium 6AL-4V TiCN coating
    Draco (complete light)
    Turbo head
    Extended Battery Pack (AAA) ... (depending on cost)
    Optional: U@O@ LuxIII
    Optional: uPIC PWM (lo/hi/burst)


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    Backup List.

    Any Ser#
    === Aluminum 6061-T6 (Nickel Electroless plating) === (Standard)
    Draco (complete light) ... $149.99
    Extended Battery Pack (AAA) ... TBA

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    Backup list #1. Confirm interest.

    $250 for the smallest light ever....


    VVVVV I bumped you because I got moved from the main list VVVVVV
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    I am #1 on the back up list! Some one else can have the Ti one! Im in for 1ea Alum & Extended Battery Pack (AAA) ... TBA stanard two stage with SXOH. Serial number 25# If not Any serial number will do! Thanks, Doc
    Last edited by Doc; 06-29-2006 at 02:43 PM.

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    Confirming #39 Ti w/TiCN. Extended battery back. No turbo head.

    Question regarding PIC option. I assume that that hi/lo regulated brightness is the default an PIC PWM controlled brightness is the option? I'd prefer just hi/lo regulated.

    Thanks

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    45 & 113 please add extended (AAA) battery pack if that becomes an option.

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    #37

    Confirming aluminum
    * Optional: U@O@ LuxIII emitter
    * Optional: uPIC PWM (lo/hi/burst)

    If another 500 lumen z-bin becomes available, please phone me.

    Henry
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