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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Confirmation, ( thanks for pm )

    Hope I read and understand correctly.....


    ddaadd / lowest available sn

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    I've not found estimated payment due date yet, help me plz!.....
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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Confirming my spot for 1 Draco serial number doesn't matter.

    === Aluminum 6061-T6 (Nickel Electroless plating) ===
    Draco (complete light) ... $149.99
    Turbo head... $49.99
    AA tube depending on price.

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    CroMAGnet, Modamag

    -Confirming #49 Aluminum (San Francisco 49ers Edition)

    Aluminum 6061-T6 (Nickel Electroless plating) ===
    Draco (complete light) No Turbo Head... $149.99

    -Releasing #49 TiCN

    Thanks, frisco

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Sorry if this has been mentioned before..... do we get batteries here? Or do we order them from AW?

    frisco

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    I'm afraid I need to drop out. No issue with the light, just can't budget for another custom right now. Good luck - I look forward to reading of your progress.

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    Confirming my second unit #141:

    === Aluminum 6061-T6 (Nickel Electroless plating) ===
    Draco (complete light)
    - Premium S@O@ LuxI emitter
    - Constant Current Regulation (60mA / 350mA)

    Prefered serial number: #5
    Back-up serial number: #100
    Back-up, back-up serial number: anything else

    -DF
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    Serial number 104 once again confirming Aluminum, Constant Current Regulation (Hi/Lo), lanyard, Lux III.
    Roger Blake

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Quote Originally Posted by frisco
    Sorry if this has been mentioned before..... do we get batteries here? Or do we order them from AW?

    frisco
    I am really hoping at the prices that this includes batteries also....???

    Ryan

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    Confirming ALUMINUM version with TURBO head (does the regular head come with it as well, or is it an either/or thing?).

    As for the circuit: I get a bit picky about having smooth switching. If the constant current dual stage will be nice and smooth... no flicker, no dented batteries, etc... then it's for me! Otherwise I'll go with the uPIC.

    PLEASE... SERIAL #097 if it's still available!
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    Yeah, I'm going to have to drop out too. Way too much $ for me right now. I was #38. Thanks. Was hoping for under $100
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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Time's up! Serial Number confirmation is over and I'm adjusting the list right now.

    Most will get their numbers but many are asking to be moved to the same lower numbers and I need to give priority to the lowest original number cofirmers.

    BBIAF

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    Yes! No one asked for #006!! Puh puh please CroMAGnet, don't let me down! I'm going to get some gas, I'm gonna check this right when I get home. Can't wait to see the final list.

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Regentag Ti light serial numbers only go up to 50. So I put your two TiCN lights in #11 and #12 but if you want a gold TiN I can get you into #6. Please post your choice
    dbedit I have you in #4 TiN, Let me know if you meant TiCN
    mohr #20 Aluminum is taken but you can try to PM JimH and ask if he would trade with you, ask him to let me know. - Please let me know what I can get for you from the available numbers.
    Roger11 You got #11
    Bern I got you on my list at #14 and will post it on the next update. (#14 TiCN w/Turbo) Welcome to CPF, hope you stay a while
    pcmike Yeehaw! U got #6!!


    This was tricky but after a couple more hours I hope I didn't miss anyone who confirmed and I hope you all got the numbers you wanted

    We still have about 15 more that need to confirm.



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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Sorry, I'm out, too.

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    I just got back from three days away from the net. Can I still get my unit?

    I was number 46 - aluminum.

    Thanks,

    Marc

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    Please move me from #9 AL to #42 AL.
    Thanks
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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Ti/Tin #2 should still be available as I'm not taking it unless there's another CPFer with the username 'Flashlight'.
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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Sorry - I had a last minute trip for work to a place they've never even heard of the net, and missed my spot!

    Sorry for the hastle, Cro

    Josh

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Josh, You still have a spot, just not that serial number. I can give you #9 Alu #2 TiN or #15 TiCN

    GJW: Moved
    Flashlight: removed TiN
    Erin0919: removed
    Marcspar: Gotcha on #46 Alum, unless you want a TiCN or TiN

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    Tony, thank you! Number 46 (aluminum) it is......

    Marc

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    Default novice runtime guesstimates

    not sure if this belongs in the sales thread, please move if inappropriate.
    also, if in posting this i have violated some protocol or unwritten rule, modamag, please accept my apology in advance.

    i was trying to figure out runtimes for different combinations of the S bin and U bin LEDs, with the constant current and PWM drivers.

    i've come to the conclusion that, at these drive levels, you will get pretty much the same runtime regardless of whether you choose the SX0H or the U_0J LED. so it's probably best to make your LED choice based on the driver you prefer...

    as modamag said, choose the U_0J if you get the uPIC so it can handle the burst
    if you are concerned about tint shift from underdriving the U_0J with the constant current driver, just go with the SX0H

    EDIT 7/3/2006
    - incorporated input from chimo and goldserve
    - added 2nd chart to cover AAA battery
    - added bottom end of each input level from uPIC driver

    EDIT 7/5/2006
    - added additional battery types suggested by blahblahblah (thanks)
    - combined all battery types into a single table



    NOTES:

    * per chimo's suggestion, used lumileds datasheets to estimate Vf at different inputs. lumileds data is +/- 0.06 V
    * SX0H max Vf is 3.99
    * 90% efficiency assumption borrowed from modamag
    * shows both top and bottom end of the range given by modamag for each drive level, as well as drive levels suggested by others
    * maximum input from uPIC driver in burst mode reduced to 700 mA per goldserve
    * at the end of the runtime, the battery would be completely exhausted if there were no protection

    thank you chimo and goldserve for feedback. please let me know if there are other factors that need to be taken into account.

    these are mathematical estimates only, and the real-world results will be different depending on a number of other factors. this is just ballpark.

    here are the posts (mostly from modamag and cromagnet) from which i picked up the relevant information, including the basic formulas:

    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...58&postcount=1
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...&postcount=236
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...&postcount=297
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=120454
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...&postcount=340
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...&postcount=341
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...&postcount=398
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...&postcount=412
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...&postcount=414
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...&postcount=415
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...&postcount=416
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...&postcount=417
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...&postcount=418

    here are links to the lumileds datasheets where i got the Vf estimates at each drive level:
    luxeon I emitter: http://www.lumileds.com/pdfs/DS25.pdf (see page 10)
    luxeon III emitter: http://www.lumileds.com/pdfs/DS45.PDF (see page 11)

    AAA alkaline battery info from silverfox: http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=64660
    Last edited by liqht; 07-05-2006 at 08:26 PM.
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    I'm going to have to back out. Sorry. Looks like a seriously sweet light, and I'll probably regret this.

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    Sorry,


    You can remove me from the list.



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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    The burst current will most likely be around 700ma or less if people want. With such a small battery, I'm thinking 450ma should be the max. What does everyone think? Li-ion safety or mad brightness in a small package?

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Quote Originally Posted by goldserve
    The burst current will most likely be around 700ma or less if people want. With such a small battery, I'm thinking 450ma should be the max. What does everyone think? Li-ion safety or mad brightness in a small package?
    Kevin, you should probably set these at 2C of the intended battery packs. If the 10440 batt tubes are used then ~600mA. For the 10280's then 450mA makes more sense. I would recommend the lower figure.

    Paul

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    Default Re: novice runtime guesstimates

    Quote Originally Posted by liqht
    i've never done this type of computation before, so i have no idea if these results are correct. please let me know if i've not included something significant.
    Here's a fairly significant issue you should factor in. The Vf of the LED is not static - it changes with the amount of current passing through it. The Vf range quoted in the bin is for a 700mA drive current for the LuxIII and 350mA for the LuxI. The V/I curve is not linear (especially in this range), but you could probably count on at least a 0.4V drop for a LuxI and a 0.7V drop for the LuxIII going down to 60mA from the rated drive current.

    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldserve
    The burst current will most likely be around 700ma or less if people want. With such a small battery, I'm thinking 450ma should be the max. What does everyone think? Li-ion safety or mad brightness in a small package?
    Mad brightness wont mean much if the lights explode or ruin batteries. Please play it safe.

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    Will batteries be supplied or do I need to order some now?
    Will the nano charger that came with AW aaa & charger pack work with a spacer?
    I know I am putting the cart before the horse here but just want to be prepared.
    Robo
    Last edited by Roboholic; 07-03-2006 at 09:27 PM.

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" [Serial deadline 07/02 Midnight]

    What sort of time-frame are we looking at???
    Time-line projects would be nice...
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    thank you goldserve and chimo for additional info...see updated runtime estimates above
    liQht

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