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    Have you figured out what GPS you're going to use?
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    Trip is 7 days, but we are driving from MS to CO. That will take total of 12 days.

    Yes, expect pictures. Although I am going to need some web hosting space. Know of anything free?

    GPS: after a battle with a gps, the software, and a crappy card reader, I am not taking one. If we die of exposure then so be it.

    P.S. Anyone wanna donate some $ for gas money?!
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    Here's a little exercise for the astute.

    In the mtn bike trip pictures on www.sanjuanhuts.com there is an "anomaly".

    1. can you find it?

    2. if you do, please PM me with it to see if you are correct. If you post it in open forum, then the secret will be out.

    I pointed it out to the people that own the web site. So they know about it. Please don't bring up ancient history.

    But it IS a good little easter egg. See if you notice it.

    Followup: it's in the "slideshow" link at the top of the page.
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    my cross country loaded touring weight is 22lbs including painiers, sleeping bag, clothing down to 10 deg, tent etc.

    that was hung on bruce gordon tubular crome-moly front racks. I chose not to ride with bobs trailer due to not wanting to pull an extra 18lbs (w/dry bag) but that was on open road VS single track.

    I wonder which is more effecient on single track? bobs or traditional panier/racks.

    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog
    The heck you say! It took me 2 YEARS of Google searches to find a rear and front rack for a f/s mountain bike. No way I'm wimping out with a bob trailer now!

    That's like saying put down that surefire and pick up a mag!

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    My front rack and bag/pannier setup came in today. It's mounted and looks sweet.

    At some point I'm going to put up some photos.
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    Finally got everything packed.

    In the meantime, someone swapped my svelte racing bike with a brick. If you happen to see my bike, let me know.

    This thing feels like it weighs a ton!

    Taking pictures in a minute; be back in a few.
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    I snapped some pictures. I also weighed the bike.

    30 lb rear wheel load

    25 lb front wheel load


    But, that's FULLY loaded with gear AND water.


    I've got a crummy website on google that I'm putting together.

    See it at: http://turbodog99.googlepages.com/sanjuantrip
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    Pictures!


    The bike, fully loaded. Front and rear racks, bags, and panniers. It's leaned up against a table and the reflective strips are playing havoc with my flash.






    Rear FS rack's lower attachment method. This is an exclusive design made by www.oldmanmountain.com AFAIK, they are the ONLY makers of FS bike racks.







    Rear rack's upper brace. It fits under the brake bolt.





    Rear shock's "gilbaldi(???)" cover. Goretex. Keeps mud/water out, but doesn't score the shock cylinder.






    Another underexposed picture. Shows the rear end. Note my pillow strapped on top and my nifty RED tires!

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    Default Re: 12 day mountain bike trip! (large pics)

    I'm working on a complete gear list. If anyone wants it, PM me. Or I may post it anyway. I haven't decided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog
    Darell will love this part.... I estimate our gas bill will be over $600. That's in a 14 mpg Dodge durango.
    Swell. Almost as much fun as my neighbor who drives to the gym in order to ride the stationary bike or walk on the stair climber.

    Leave the lights home and take O2 bottles is my big advice after 20 miles at altitude last week! I ended up with three simultaneous leg craps that left me squirming on the dirt gasping for air like a carp doing the funky dance.

    Ok... the lycra/viagra thing I didn't need an image of!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscanady
    isnt this only a 7 day trip and not 12 though?
    Ah. You forgot the gasoline-burning part of the exercise!
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    Yes I did,

    T dog,
    Please please post your list, I am tentatively planning to do this trip for my sabbatical in 2 years and really look forward to you comments.

    Ryan

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    Warning: random thoughts follow, try and make sense as best you can.

    What follows is my list of what I am taking and why I selected it.

    My list is compiled from:
    a. www.sanjuanhuts.com (trip's web site)
    b. their trip "bible" http://www.sanjuanhuts.com/images/mtn_biker_bible.pdf
    c. my own biking experience
    d. my camping experience
    e. google searches of a _very_ few others that have done this trip. few as is the # of people who made a web site, not as in total attendees.

    FYI: the trip usually books SOLID months before the season begins.

    For those that don't know, here are a few tidbits:
    1. starts at telluride, co (or durango)
    2. ends at moab, ut
    3. there are huts stationed approx every 35 miles
    4. huts are stocked with food, sleeping bags, and hopefully water

    So, no camping gear is required. You just carry clothes, bike support gear, and whatever else you think you need.

    0. racks

    I used front and rear racks to distribute the load. If you use only a rear it makes the front end get light, light enough to wash out on loose turns. Using only a rear will shave weight and costs, but I'm going with a dual setup for now. It also has allowed me to have smaller bags which will help me fit through tight singletrack.

    The front rack adds weight. Specifically, it adds to your moment of inertia of the front end. It makes it more resistant to turning, but not in a friction-type way, in a heavy-type way. I am sure that I'll adapt quickly. I adapted to the feel of all the extra weight in about 10 miles.

    Final note on rack selection. I wouldn't even consider a front rack only. You are asking for death.

    At one time, before the front rack got added, I was going to use a handlebar bag. It was pretty slick. It had a plastic mount and detached for off the bike jaunts. It also rotated downward no matter how tight the mount was. I ditched it after I got the front rack. This was nice, because it used the entire handlebar. I had to remove my light mount and speedometer.
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    Default Re: 12 day mountain bike trip!

    looks like you are just about there...

    so how much weight including paniers are you taking along?

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    It's in the notes above I think.

    But anyway.

    55 lbs covers bike, gear, and water.


    Quote Originally Posted by cy
    looks like you are just about there...

    so how much weight including paniers are you taking along?
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    Gear, or all the stuff that I crammed into the bags and panniers:

    1. CLOTHES

    regular socks for dry days (2)
    "wicking" socks for wet days (1)
    "drawers" (1)
    gym/comfort shorts for around camp (1)
    bike shorts (2)
    wicking t-shirt (2)
    biking shoes
    sandals for around camp
    regular t-shirt (1)
    knee warmers
    hat
    helmet
    gloves (no fingers)
    bandanna
    sunglasses
    skull cap
    waterproof uninsulated parka
    fleece pants for around camp
    fleece jacket
    sleep bag liner (33x72 or so)
    stuffable camping pillow (luxury item)

    We purposefully asked for the hottest time of the year so we would not have to bring so much cold/wet weather gear.

    Most of this list is self evident. I have included quantities for some items, all others are 1 in quantity.

    For those that question the small quantities of some items please remember that there are NO showers on this trip. Stinking is part of the fun, so why would I want to carry extra weight?
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    Oops... double post.
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    2. Healthcare

    band aids (variety)
    aleve pills (14 or 2 per day)
    pepto-bismol pills (10)
    tums (10)
    sinus pills (7)
    spf 45 sunscreen
    bug spray (100% deet)
    chamois butter, large tube
    chapstick (spf 20)
    baby wipes (60) (there are no showers)
    toothbrush
    toothpaste
    visine
    bar soap
    nail clippers
    bathcloth
    packtowl
    tweezers
    qtips
    TP

    Here again, nothing is earth-shattering.

    I like Aleve, but anything should be fine. Although, I would avoid excedrin due to the caffeine content. Caffeine will drain your body of water.

    Sunscreen is a must due to the long exposures outdoors and high altitude. The altitude means thin air. This means higher UV doses.

    I plan to use the chapstick for my ears. They are exposed and will burn.

    Nail clippers. A hangnail on your toe could turn nasty with all this peddling.

    Tweezers. There ARE cactii here.

    The packtowl is a super absorbent towel. You use it and wring it dry. It will wring 90% dry as opposed to maybe 30% for a cotton one. I plan to use this IF I am able to find a creek/etc to bath in.
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    3. Bike/Tools

    normal tool kit (a park tool all-in-one thingy)
    extra tire (folding)
    extra tube
    real patch kit (glue type) (2 complete kits)
    quick patch kit (glueless)
    chain lube (10w30 castrol, made 1 drivetrain I had last 13 years)
    brake cable
    derailleur cable
    derailleur hanger
    spare derailleur
    spare chain
    shock pump
    brake pads (f & r)
    swisstool/leatherman/etc
    elec tape
    bic lighter
    spare spokes
    front rack bag w/ panniers
    FS rear rack
    rear rack bag w/ panniers
    FS front rack
    3, 6' lenghts of small rope
    park cassette cleaner brush
    flashlight bar mount

    The park tool stays in my seat bag all the time along with a spare tube, patch kit, tire levers, and $20.

    The extra tire, tube, cables, D hanger, D, spokes, and brake pads were recommended in the bible from theire web site.

    I added the park cassette cleaner due to my experience with riding in the mud. It's impossible to clean your rear cluster without this thing. And, some other riders' web sites have mentioned dealing with mud if it rains a lot.

    The lighter is in case we have to spend the night "outside", if we don't make it to the next hut.

    I put off this trip for an entire year because I could not find a rack that would fit a full suspension bike. I knew that there were seatpost racks out there. I tried them. They tended to rotate around sideways after a while.

    After a year, really, of google searching I finally found www.oldmanmountain.com This dude has the ONLY source for FS rear *AND* front racks out there. The rear rack is about $120 and the front was about $95. They are sweet and handmade in the USA. You get a discount if you order together. But I ordered separately.
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    4. personal

    petty cash $150
    digital camera
    camera batteries (3 sets)
    cell phone
    driver's license
    american express card (don't leave home without it)
    hds flashlight
    duracell 123s (7)

    playing cards
    rook cards(great game, like spades with a floating trump)
    creative zen mp3 player
    earbuds
    aaa battery (3)

    The cash is in case I come across a store or need to buy my way to civilization in case of an unrepairable mechanical item.

    There is _NO_ phone reception except at the peak of 1 mountain. I'm not really sure why I am even carrying it. I will leave it off.

    1 light and 7 extra cells. The 123s share with the water purifier.

    mp3 player.... for those 20 mile uphills.
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    5. food/etc


    msr miniworks ex water filter
    www.uvaquastar.com device
    1 liter nalgene (3)
    water bottle (2)
    ziploc bag (6)
    dri-bag (medium)
    dri-bag (large) (2)

    The MSR device is at: http://www.mountainsafetyresearch.co...niworks_ex.asp

    I'm not planning on coming down with the hershey-squirts so we are filtering all water. After that, we're gonna nuke it also. The water filters should support our 4 person group easily. And if one should break, we will likely get along just fine on the other.

    The 7 123s I am taking should run the UV water filter and the light for a week with some left over.

    San Juan recommends 3 liters carrying capacity for water per day per person.

    The dri-bags are for clothes/etc that MUST stay dry. I don't trust my panniers and bags for waterproofness.
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    Like I said, none of this is earth-shattering. But I'm hoping that at least some of this crap will pay for itself.

    The park gear cleaner is a sweet little tool. Check it out at: http://www.parktool.com/products/det...4&item=GSC%2D1

    It will really clean the rear gears. The brush is also nice for cleaning everything else. Works well in the mud. It weighs next to nothing.

    The spare chain..... that's a different story. That sucker is HEAVY. Maybe I can talk someone else into carrying it.

    The leathman is also pretty heavy.

    But NOTHING is as heavy as 3 liters of water! However, I didn't mention that I am NOT taking a camelbak or backpack of any kind. I don't want to ride that much with weight on my back. It's heavy and hot.

    I am using water bottles. WHY?

    Proper water intake in the dry climate out there cannot be over stressed. It's much easier to gauge water intake with a bottle that a camelbak. So, at least my 55 lb total bike weight INCLUDES water weight.

    Swapping bottles also gives me an opportunity and reminder to dismount and walk around for a minute.
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    Copied from www.sanjuanhuts.com

    day
    miles
    ascent
    descent


    Day 1
    14.9
    2,800'
    550'

    Day 2
    26.3
    1,600'
    3,500'

    Day 3
    34.3
    1,800'
    1,800'

    Day 4
    37.2
    1,600'
    2,200'

    Day 5
    32.5
    2,100'
    5,900'

    Day 6
    22.5
    4,000'
    900'

    Day 7
    38.4
    2,000'
    6,200'

    Total
    206.1 miles
    16,300' ascent
    21,050' descent
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    cool stuff!

    a quick question: why bring a chain? Would some short sections of chain, and a few quick connect links (such as SRAM or the Wipperman ones) work just as well in the event of a chain breaking? Or is there another, more severe, failure mode that I'm not thinking of, such as the chain breaking, and then slipping off the bike down a 100 foot cliff? :-)

    Heck, I'm a roadie that uses 6, 7, and 8 speed stuff 'cause it's pretty robust. I have no idea what sort of stuff happens to the off-road guys on the newer equipment.

    good luck,
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    I've seen a chain become mangled pretty bad if it gets ground up between the crank and the bottom bracket.



    Quote Originally Posted by Steve K
    cool stuff!

    a quick question: why bring a chain? Would some short sections of chain, and a few quick connect links (such as SRAM or the Wipperman ones) work just as well in the event of a chain breaking? Or is there another, more severe, failure mode that I'm not thinking of, such as the chain breaking, and then slipping off the bike down a 100 foot cliff? :-)

    Heck, I'm a roadie that uses 6, 7, and 8 speed stuff 'cause it's pretty robust. I have no idea what sort of stuff happens to the off-road guys on the newer equipment.

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    holly smokes. are you going to ride the whole 260 miles? I hope you submit trip plan to relatives just incase you get lost. becareful out there.
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    Here are some better (outdoor) pictures.





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    55lbs including bike and water is ultra light

    subtract say 24 lbs for a fully suspended bike.
    say 6lb for water, that leaves 25lbs for paniers and gear.

    petty darn light for total weight!

    I'd pack a spare chain, kevlar folding tire, rear derailer and spread parts to everyone going.

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    Thanks.

    I'll take that as a compliment.

    There's already a spare chain INCLUDED in that weight.

    That darn thing's heavy too!

    But your math doesn't add up....

    55-24=31
    31-6=25

    I still think it's not too bad though.



    Quote Originally Posted by cy
    55lbs including bike and water is ultra light

    subtract say 24 lbs for a fully suspended bike.
    say 6lb for water, that leaves 15lbs for paniers and gear.

    petty darn light for total weight!

    I'd pack a spare chain, kevlar folding tire, rear derailer and spread parts to everyone going.
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