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    In light of the recent acclaim of the M180-KL2 here:

    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=125872



    Knight Lights, in collaboration with milkyspit, is proud to announce the M-Line!

    The M-Line will consist of multiple LED models placed primarily in MagLites and MagLite compatible heads and will initially be presented with the M180, a triple luxeon light producing 180 lumens and running in a 2C with 2 18650 sized cells for more than 4 hours!

    The line will also include an M240 version, and additional versions up to and including an M420 version are being considered. Milkyspit is also investigating family members (at last mention) as high as an M680.

    This is the first long running, high output light available in large quantities that I am aware of.

    Additional specifications for each light will be posted shortly, including run times, sizes, battery combinations and prices.

    A sales thread will be shortly posted as well.

    Bill
    Last edited by Knight Lights; 07-29-2006 at 06:37 AM.
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    Project-M Runtime Chart






    M180-KL2 Runtimes by Leef

    Fellow CPFer Leef took the time to chart runtime of his M180-KL2 head and the better of his two SureFire L6 flashlights. Both flashlights were running 3x123 fresh SureFire 123 cells. The charts show overall output of both lights and seem to approximate actual lumen output of the lights (divide his readings by ten). Note: according to Leef, the SureFire L6 in the test is an unusually good one.

    Overall Output vs. Runtime, M180-KL2 with Various Battery Options (Linear Scale)


    Overall Output vs. Runtime, M180-KL2 vs. SF-L6 (Linear Scale)


    Overall Output vs. Runtime, M180-KL2 vs. SF-L6 (Logarithmic Scale)
    The logarithmic scale approximates the brightness differences that the human eye actually sees.


    Leef states that at the 240 minute mark, both test subjects were still generating useful amounts of light.
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    Just tell where and how much!! M420 or M512!!

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    Photos: M180 in Mag 2C Host

    Incorporates Kiu Stainless Steel Bezel (normally not included)


    Incorporates Kiu Stainless Steel Bezel (normally not included)


    Compliments of MSaxatilus


    Compliments of MSaxatilus



    Photos: M180 in SureFire KL2 Host

    Note: This is a very limited edition! The KL2 head has been long discontinued by SureFire, and as such is in short supply. However, if you've got one... this is what it could become!





    On standard M3 body


    On M3 body with SW02 tailswitch


    SW02 tailswitch allows the light to stand upright


    Beam Profile


    Posterized... note that the oval shape is result of the light being held at an angle... the beam is perfectly round in reality!


    Carpet


    Real World: Midday Sun (left) vs. M180-KL2 (right)



    M180-Mag2C vs. M180-KL2





    Mag 2C vs. M3 body


    Mag 2C vs. M3 with SW02 tailswitch


    Bezel ends



    Photos: M180 in SureFire KL2 Crenelated Host

    SureFire customer service has assured me there is no such animal as a KL2 head with an M3-style, hard anodized crenelated bezel... then milkyspit somehow managed to receive TWO still in their unopened SureFire factory boxes. I don't know what to make of this! But it is pretty!! This is the way all KL2 heads should be. Photos courtesy of milkyspit.

    The elusive crenelated KL2, sighted in the Milky Labs!


    M180-KL2 crenelated business end. Note the ultra clear stock glass, barely visible in the photo.


    KL2 crenelated head profile


    Underside showing the typical M series contact springs


    M180-KL2 crenelated, mounted on a prototype C2M adapter and Surefire C2 body, with SW01 tailcap


    Milky's personal M180-KL2 crenelated enjoying a fine autumn day



    Photos: Kiessling's M180-KL2 Crenelated Jewelbox!

    One-of-a-kind, built per specific request. The keys here are a black felt surface that sets off the reflectors like three jewels in a window, plus another of the ultra-rare crenelated bezel SureFire KL2 hosts. Photos courtesy of milkyspit.

    Scotch Tape Spool, Rocks, Leaves Not Included


    Yes, that's an M3-style crenelated hard anodized bezel on there...


    Mounted on an M3 body


    Beam profile


    Milky Labs before and after powering up the Kiessling M180-KL2-Jewelbox



    Photos: MSaxatilus' M180-M3

    Turns out the M180 platform fits inside a SureFire M3 head as well. It's a fair amount more work to get everything just right since the head never was created to house LEDs and has no heatsinking bulkhead... plus a SureFire lamp assembly needs to be sacrificed to craft the dual-spring contact points underneath (burned-out LA works fine for this)... on the other hand, the heatsink is a solid aluminum slug a full half-inch thick!

    Photos courtesy of MSaxatilus.

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    Photos: MSaxatilus' M420-KT4 (M6 Host)

    MSaxatilus placed the first-ever order for an M6 mod! Milkyspit is turning the KT4 turbohead on that light into an M420 and building a 2x18650 cell caddy for the body. The KT4 also fits M3 and M4 bodies. On 2x18650 cells, this combination should deliver 420 lumens continuous for about 2 hours. The head even includes an inch thick block of solid aluminum! Though milkyspit tells me it's not needed.

    That's one beautiful bezel.

    Photos provided by Milkyspit.

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    Looking Into The Bezel


    Additional photos provided by MSaxatilus.

    Components with Bezel End of Head Visible


    Components with Back End of Head Visible


    Standing


    Head End Closeup



    Photos: M360 "Silver Guardian YS" Prototype

    The M360 "Silver Guardian YS" is a prototype M360 light Milkyspit has built into a Mag 3C silver host powered by 12AA NiMH rechargeables. The stainless steel Kiu crown pictured is not typically part of the build. The "YS" designation refers to the two tiered, dual heatsink design that allows for the sixth reflector to sit recessed in the center of the head, thereby allowing for more emitters sitting in a smaller diameter. (Milky says it reminds him of Yankee Stadium [=YS]... he's a Yankee fan.) The Silver Guardian YS supports five brightness levels, all digitally controlled, as well as electronic lockout, temporary burst from any brightness level, and many other features. On 12AA Sanyo 2700mAh NiMH cells, the M360 at highest output should deliver 360 lumens continuous for more than 5 hours.

    Photos provided by Milkyspit.

    Looking Into The Head End


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    Closeup Showing the Two Tiers
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    Additional Photos



    Mag 2C with Kiu Stainless Steel Bezel vs. Mag 3D with FiveMega Head


    Bezel View vs. Mag 3D with FiveMega Head


    Same as above, different angle


    FiveMega Head outfitted with 5x27mm smooth reflectors


    Closer look with a pushbutton switch sitting on the lens
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    What are the lux numbers at 1 meter?

    Do you have any comparision beamshots, side-by-side in the same photo?

    Your lumens, are these derated for loss of the reflector, and lumen loss due to heat, or are they just the lumens spec of the LED?
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    Hi Newbie!

    Maybe I can address these... and if I do a bad job at it, PM me and I'll do my best to elaborate!

    Lux readings at 1M... just took some quickly, so I would label these as preliminary specs, but they at least give a decent idea of things...

    M180-KL2 roughly 3000 lux at 1M.
    M180-Mag 2C roughly 5260 lux at 1M.

    Both lights feature a 3-up arrangement of emitters, and both happen to have emitters of same bin from the same lot. Note that the Mag 2C version posts substantially higher readings due to its use of 3x 20mm smooth reflectors, as opposed to the 3x 16mm orange peel reflectors of the KL2 version. Size limitations in the head preclude anything larger in the latter.

    I won't even pretend that these lights could best a good incandescent bulb/reflector combination for throw, but they (the M180, et. al.) will produce quite a bit of light to the sides in addition to that throw... and pretty much wipe out the incandescents in terms of runtime... but that's the whole point of this design. These lights have been engineered for overall output and long continuous runtime... mainly, to be extremely efficient!

    Beamshots... sorry, I don't have any side-by-side comparison beamshots at the moment... not that I never plan on having them! Just haven't done it yet. Well, that plus I really stink at taking beamshots! You have no idea the difficulty I had in just capturing ONE beam with any degree of reality.

    That said, Kiessling will be receiving an M180-KL2 and I have hopes that he will take a few comparative shots of that light vs. some of the others in his collection.

    Lumens... these are based on Lumileds specs... in other words, they're EMITTER lumens (like bulb lumens for incans)... they are not derated for reflector loss. Neither are they derated for lumen loss due to heat, but these lights are extremely well heatsinked due to their design for long continuous runtime... if anything, the heatsinking represents serious overkill! and in extended field testing including continuous runs in the 30 minutes through 1 hour vicinity, there has been no noticeable loss of brightness. (Yes, I know the eye is far from the most sensitive instrument for such an observation, though in my defense I do get very picky about such things and have been known to do A-B tests over... and over... and over... to discern slight brightness differences. Plus for some reason my eyes seem to be unusually sensitive... maybe even TOO sensitive!) There has been no notable loss in brightness over extended runs, nor would I expect to see any given the thermal design of the hosts.

    It's also worth mentioning that the emitters are driven at Lumileds spec... and in the case of the M512 are actually driven BELOW spec'd current. Output numbers in this case are derated based both on Lumileds' published lumens vs. current information, and DiFiorentino's Luxeon efficiency measurements at various currents.

    Last but not least, I use the AVERAGE luminous output numbers in an effort not to overhype these lights.

    As far as some additional data points, I have done extensive A-B dark room ceiling bounce testing of the M180 against various "known" (or at least reasonably trustworthy IMHO) benchmarks... this in lieu of formal integrating sphere testing, for which I have neither the funds nor the access unfortunately. Prior to A-B testing the lights are positioned to be at equal distances from the ceiling, and to center their hotspots at the same location on the ceiling. Alternating between A-B continues until the brighter light is discernable... or in some cases where my eyes cannot discern a brighter light with sufficient degree of confidence, the comparison is declared a dead heat. In some cases where one light appears brighter but only by a small amount, I reverse positions of the lights and repeat the test to check for bias due to slightly different positions and/or beam angles, and again, if the results do not remain consistent in the retest, the comparison is declared a dead heat.

    The M180 pretty much wipes out the HDS U60; and pretty handily beats the SureFire U2, L5, and L2, all at highest outputs.

    The M180 also beats a SureFire P90 lamp assembly using 3x123 fresh primaries (100% ZTS)... that light has a published spec of 105 lumens... and my understanding is those lumens DO take into account reflector loss, plus they're the lumens to be expected at midpoint of the light's runtime... in practice some folks far smarter than I have estimated that a P90 on fresh cells falls more in the 120-150 lumens range... if so, this is good evidence that the M180 is indeed at the very least in the ballpark of 180 lumens coming out the front of the light.

    The M180 also beats the SureFire M3 using its LOLA on 3x123 fresh primary cells (100% ZTS)... the LOLA has a published spec of 125 lumens out the front (not bulb lumens), and I've been told, again by some people whose opinion I trust, that the actual luminous output with fresh cells is more like 150 lumens. Again good evidence that the M180 is generating output along the lines of its design spec.

    Hope this helps! And sorry if some of my test methodology isn't exactly state of the art. I do the best with what I've got available.

    Quote Originally Posted by NewBie
    What are the lux numbers at 1 meter?

    Do you have any comparision beamshots, side-by-side in the same photo?

    Your lumens, are these derated for loss of the reflector, and lumen loss due to heat, or are they just the lumens spec of the LED?
    --Scott

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    MikeF, Knight Lights seems to be occupied at the moment... I'll PM ya in a couple minutes about this. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeF
    Just tell where and how much!! M420 or M512!!
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    Hello milky

    Great explanation and nice lights.

    Good luck from me and best regards

    _____
    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long John
    Hello milky

    Great explanation and nice lights.

    Good luck from me and best regards

    _____
    Tom

    Much appreciated Tom! Thanks!

    BTW, I'm not just a Project-M builder... I'm a Project-M user!
    --Scott

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    Added a few more battery configurations to the runtime chart... might need to refresh your browser page to see the new chart.
    --Scott

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    I just finished a run-time of my M180 - which looks amazingly like milky's flat black one - running on 2x18650 LG 2400mAh. It was at full output at 5hours. I'm pretty sure i checked it at 5'15 and it was still at full output. (If i checked it, it was.) At 5'30 is was a lot dimmer than i was expecting considering it was at full output not that long before. I'll be conservative and call it a 5hour run-time, partly because that's a nice round number.

    As an aside, say i drain batteries, umm.. very low, but they recover above 3v (and climbing, albeit slowly), are they still good to go? I'll do a follow-up run-time test with them, but with the weekend starting tomorrow, it might not be any time soon. (EDIT: they charged up fine, so here's hoping...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel
    I just finished a run-time of my M180 - which looks amazingly like milky's flat black one - running on 2x18650 LG 2400mAh. It was at full output at 5hours. I'm pretty sure i checked it at 5'15 and it was still at full output. (If i checked it, it was.) At 5'30 is was a lot dimmer than i was expecting considering it was at full output not that long before. I'll be conservative and call it a 5hour run-time, partly because that's a nice round number.

    As an aside, say i drain batteries, umm.. very low, but they recover above 3v (and climbing, albeit slowly), are they still good to go? I'll do a follow-up run-time test with them, but with the weekend starting tomorrow, it might not be any time soon. (EDIT: they charged up fine, so here's hoping...)

    Archie, Interesting... the runtime chart predicts 4h42m with those cells. It's good to see that the estimates in the chart do indeed seem to have some connection with reality... in fact, they may be slightly conservative!

    MANY THANKS for taking the time to do that runtime test, and to share the results with folks!


    As for your battery question... the sudden dimming is probably due to the fact that the Li-ion chemistry pretty much falls off a cliff after it drops to something like 3.2V per cell (going from memory)... that would explain the sudden dimming. With unprotected cells, you really don't want to run them AT ALL once they dim like that! Get them to a charger immediately! Otherwise you risk destroying the cells.

    Anyway, that's why I would typically suggest protected cells in these lights... they'll shut themselves down before overdischarge can occur... but as you've shown, unprotected has its merits, too... namely well over an hour of additional runtime!


    Thanks again!
    --Scott

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    So where can we get one of these lights?

    Heck I'd just like one of the assemblies to put in a 6P!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDOG3
    So where can we get one of these lights?

    Heck I'd just like one of the assemblies to put in a 6P!!!

    Hi Dog, I guess Knight Lights will be posting some sort of B/S/T sales thread at some point but I know he's been pretty busy with life in general the past week or so. In the meantime, there's no shame in PMing me directly! I can quote you a price for what you want. All I ask is that you give me a good idea of which light you're looking for and are sincere in your intention to buy... not that you'll HAVE to buy, but that you're prepared to if the numbers work out.

    As a benchmark, I can tell you the M180 in a Mag 2C platform has been going for $225 and so far I've had no complaints as to it being a bad deal!

    The M180-KL2 is priced somewhere around $245 but this number can fluctuate up or down based on availability of the KL2 heads, which are kinda difficult to locate. Of course, anyone who already has one and wants it built into an M180 will end up saving a decent chunk of change since their price won't include the KL2 at all!

    It's still early in the work day... hope this was intelligible!
    --Scott

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    Just wanted to add that the head of my M180 never got more than warm and the body seemed room temperature, which means that it soaked up a bit of the heat since metal usually feels cool if it's just sitting there.
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    I managed another run-time sooner than i was expecting and noticed a flicker at 5'15. When i checked the output i could watch the numbers ticking down. Measuring the batteries, one was 2.8v and the other just under half that, so i may have damaged one of them the other day, though it could also be that whole "heat causes batteries to drain faster" thing. I'll see how it fares in my U-04. EDIT: I'm not sure how, but i got over 4.5hours; methinks some Barbolight graphing is in order.

    Someone'll need to test out a NiMH configuration. They don't make for a light torch, but you gotta like Ds. Is alkaline a viable option?
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    This is so close to what I've been looking for. Long run time and bright.
    Would the 2D version use a normal length body?
    Would there be any chance of adding a dimmer of some sort? I would like two or three stages over the actual dimming.
    How ever it would be worth carrying an extra light or a translucent snap-on lens for this L^3 = LLL = (Lovely Little Light)

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    Archangel, sounds like you did damage one of your unprotected Li-ion cells. They don't like to drop below about 2.5 volts. Even if it runs normally, you should probably replace it as a safety precaution. As of a week or two ago, 4sevens was selling the LG unprotected 2400mAh cells at a very reasonable price.

    BTW, 4.5 hours with a damaged cell is pretty impressive!

    Mike Painter, milky can build these into a Maglite of any length. Yes, the 2D does run in a stock body, but it could just as easily run in a modified body so long as the inside of the Mag head hasn't been changed in terms of its dimensions. With the larger (Mag 2D and 3D) builds, milky has been installing microcontrolled buck circuits that provide dimming capability, full power burst mode, automatic dimming and shutoff, etc. PM me if you're interested.
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    Hi Guys,

    A couple of questions if you have a moment.

    Is the price quoted for the KL2 just for the head on its own?
    Is there any way of getting a 2 (or more) stage version of the KL2? (using a 2 stage switch perhaps?)
    What is the outside diameter of the KL2?
    How are the reflectors fixed in the head? (if that's not a trade secret)

    Would the Digilight RX-9V head/T9 (or even T6?) body be a suitable host for an M180? (possible lower cost option???)

    And

    Can you really get 7 emitters in a KL2??? (runtime chart)

    [I'm a bit shy of spending this much on a light, especially if I'm going to batter it around at work, but ]

    Don
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    The M420 is in a Mag bezel. I'm pretty sure three is the limit for a KL2. I think that's the price for just the head. The rest someone else will have to answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel
    Quote Originally Posted by D MacAlpine
    Hi Guys,

    A couple of questions if you have a moment.

    Is the price quoted for the KL2 just for the head on its own?
    Is there any way of getting a 2 (or more) stage version of the KL2? (using a 2 stage switch perhaps?)
    What is the outside diameter of the KL2?
    How are the reflectors fixed in the head? (if that's not a trade secret)

    Would the Digilight RX-9V head/T9 (or even T6?) body be a suitable host for an M180? (possible lower cost option???)

    And

    Can you really get 7 emitters in a KL2??? (runtime chart)

    [I'm a bit shy of spending this much on a light, especially if I'm going to batter it around at work, but ]

    Don
    The M420 is in a Mag bezel. I'm pretty sure three is the limit for a KL2. I think that's the price for just the head. The rest someone else will have to answer.
    Thanks Archangel! Yes, the price mentioned for the M180-KL2 is for the head itself, though I can find you a matching body if needed. Yes, M420 (7 emitters) fits in a Maglite head... the KL2 head could fit 7 emitters but not with reflectors of any appreciable size... so it would end up as the world's brightest flood beam! Using 16mm reflectors, the KL2 head can house 3 emitters and pumps out a nice, muscular beam.

    Yes, the M180-KL2 head could support multiple brightness levels, though not with a dual stage tailswitch... the more sensible way would be to incorporate a microcontroller circuit that handles such things more efficiently and requires nothing special in terms of the tailswitch. There are a couple possibilities right now plus I'm working on an early version of a single board to handle this sort of thing. For now, I would suggest a single brightness M180-KL2... in real world use, 180 lumens as delivered via the KL2 head tends to be useful for a wide variety of applications. It's a real workhorse of a light, the kind you'll find yourself picking up often.

    Very roughly, outer diameter of the KL2 at the bezel is about 41mm.

    There's a lens in front of the reflectors so they're protected plus held in place much as they would be in any other light. The lens has antireflective coating, so some of the photos make it look as if there isn't any!

    Never played with a Digilight RX-9V head, but you're welcome to send me one with the body of your choice and I'll see what I can do. PM if interested!

    As a lower cost option that could still take a beating, might I suggest a Mag 2C body? An M180 in Mag 2C would give you 4-5 hours using rechargeable Li-ion cells... many other combinations are possible, too... and you could pickup a hard anodized Mag 2C here on CPF for extra durability. In fact, I've got one spare hard anodized black Mag 2C that's available to the first person who wants it built into an M180, M240, or something similar! First come, first served folks!
    --Scott

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    Milky,

    Got a pick of that HA Mag 2C? That might wet peoples appetites.

    MSax

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    Last (and Best) of the KL2 Heads?

    Looks like I've tapped out my known sources of KL2 heads... snagged a final couple from an army-navy store in Seattle. If anyone wants an M180-KL2 from here on, they would need to supply it... and if you're fortunate enough to have more than one, I'll offer you a partial credit on your build in exchange for your extra(s)!


    Getting back to this last pair of KL2 heads, received last week... I opened the sealed SureFire boxes to be greeted by a little surprise... these KL2 heads did not have the usual black plastic bezel rings, but rather the same HARD ANODIZED ALUMINUM crenelated bezel rings as the M3! These heads aren't supposed to exist... it's like finding a unicorn munching on grass in your back yard!

    The first of these mysterious KL2 heads is destined for Leef... here's some quick eye candy...

    The mythical crenelated bezel KL2... this wasn't supposed to exist!


    Window shopping... yes, there really IS a window there even though it's not apparent in the photo.


    Profile of Leef's M180-KL2.


    Underside showing the typical pair of contact springs.


    Leef, hope ya like it!
    --Scott

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    Default Re: Project-M by Milkyspit: Long-Running High Output LED: Availability, Info, Photos

    milkyspit - PM sent.

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    Default Re: Project-M by Milkyspit: Long-Running High Output LED: Availability, Info, Photos

    Updated post number 4 in this thread with photos of an M180-KL2 with hard anodized, crenelated bezel. This particular head was not known to exist before.
    Anything CAN be done, the impossible just takes a little longer!!

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    Default Re: Project-M by Milkyspit: Long-Running High Output LED: Availability, Info, Photos

    Quote Originally Posted by cd-card-biz
    milkyspit - PM sent.
    PM received. The M180 in hard anodized black Mag 2C is spoken for!
    --Scott

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    Default Re: Project-M by Milkyspit: Long-Running High Output LED: Availability, Info, Photos

    Nice snag on the HA Mag. They're very well done. (I was going to post a pic, but seem to have misplaced my memory card.)
    Last edited by Archangel; 08-10-2006 at 07:27 PM. Reason: Reason:
    The shadows are darkest during the day.

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