are all chargers made equal?

Chuck Witherspoon

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I was intrested in making the jump to rechargeables. I was looking at the chart on nimhs and I think I would probably purchase the sanyo 2700s. My question is this. I saw some sanyos (2300?) that came with a charger, are these chargers ok or is there a better charger? I am going to purchase a couple of Fenixs for the time being to run them in.

Question 2 - How are the NIMH cells with incandesants? I remember reading on here a while back that they weren't too good. My main flashlight runs on 8aa with a dewalt 9.6v bulb. I also was thinking about purchasing a surge. I don't want to purchase an extra 8 batteries if they won't do the job.
 

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big question.
there are chargers of all sorts, that do different speeds, use different methods, charge as SINGLE cells or multiples, and provide more or less INFO.

the top 3 additions to chargers that i totally love

Single cells are treated as single units
because each battery can be at a different state of charge, IMO no battery should be charged in seires, especially when its already a loose item that your recharging. look for a charger that has individual channels.
that is often indicated when they say HOW MANY batteries you can charge with it. 1-4 or 2&4 <-- see the differeance?

Stop at the end and trickle charge
Some of the battery chargers keep a battery topped off-without destroying it also, by doing a very small pulse trickle at the end of the charge, that is well below the overcharge rate, this keeps them ready to go, without playing with them

INFO
some of the latest stuff, can not only provide info on the charge, but it can provide simple info on the state of the battery. when you use rechargables enough, and are hard on them, and need them to be perfect, things like that la-cro$$ charger that can even Test the battery are awesome.


things i wish they would do, but dont usually
50% pulse charging
selectable dumb slow, & selectable Fast smart
Cost less

Speed - i dont care, why torture a battery when you can instead have a second set ready to go, so i dont really worrry about excessive speed, IMO there is nothing to be gained by it with the present chemistries, they aint capacitors. if it charges dumb in a day, or smart charges in 2-4hours, thats ok.

Manufacturers chargers:
the chargers that COME WITH the batteries are ok, they are easy, they are sometimes Specifically designed for the battery type and technology, and its thier fault if anything goes wrong. on the other hand they are usually to simple, uncontrollable, and dont do fun things like discharge or charge 10 at a time, and often they dont do Single individual care.

Discharge cycling
if your using them in series, dont drain the whole thing to nothing because you think it will help, that will cause "reverse charging" and be a bad thing.
as far as cycling all of these rechargables like to be cycled relative to thier self discharge rate (sorta). and they all prefer to be used, as opposed to parked.
so there is no real NEED to cycle it, it needs to be cycled way less than ni-cd to remain vibrant, but unlike what they tell us, it does still enjoy a cycle.

Incadescent -
umm why? leds rule :) yes rechrgables rule too
ni-??? and Li-ion rechargables do well under the conditions of heavy discharge rates, incadescent has a tendancy to be a higher discharge rate, and so it works very well.
the only caveat, is the incadescent wire will drain a SERIES set into reverse charge. that caveat is fixed by recharging when the light goes down, or when one cell in the series is fully depleated. in other words, when the light acts like there is one less cell in it, then recharge it.
 
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wptski

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You should start by reading the "Charger Shootout" in the sticky section and then the "Ni-MH Shootout" too.
 
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