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    Just recieved my draco today and I must say jolly good job. It is an amazing feat of engineering and has replaced my trusty ARC AAA as my EDC on my keyring. Thanks for taking time to build this great little light. I am now very tempted to buy a titanium one

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    OK................received my second Draco, today.

    The original is a 1W with FluPic (3 level); 2nd is a "U" bin regulated (1 level)
    also ordered a "TurboHead" and man it is "Turbo"

    I plan on carrying (pocket) extended body (AAA Lion) with FluPic an TurboHead, the regulated "U" is on my keychain.

    I did do beamshots and will post in my picture review thread, tomorrow.

    The Turbo on the FluPic and "burst" is as bright as a McLux PD and slightly brighter than HDS EDcC Ultimate 60. (by my eyes!).

    jeffb

    Truly amazing and in my book the 2006 "Light of the Year"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffb
    OK................received my second Draco, today.

    The original is a 1W with FluPic (3 level); 2nd is a "U" bin regulated (1 level)
    also ordered a "TurboHead" and man it is "Turbo"

    I plan on carrying (pocket) extended body (AAA Lion) with FluPic an TurboHead, the regulated "U" is on my keychain.

    I did do beamshots and will post in my picture review thread, tomorrow.

    The Turbo on the FluPic and "burst" is as bright as a McLux PD and slightly brighter than HDS EDcC Ultimate 60. (by my eyes!).

    jeffb

    Truly amazing and in my book the 2006 "Light of the Year"
    WOW!! Jeff, those are some serious statements. Can hardly wait to see those pics.

    People I have shown the turbo head Draco have been really amazed. It really reminds me of a RAW when it comes to beam quality. I really like my RAW, its what it's suppose to be... RAW and the Draco is sooo sweet and refined.

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    Wow guys, I just started reading up on the Draco starting today (btw, I'm a Bay Area guy too, hello to you all!) and I want one! *drool*

    I didn't realize that driving an S-bin Lux I at a similar level as a U-bin Lux III would give you more output, at risk of shortening the LED lifespan - but how much shorter? I.e., by the time the light dies, would it not be ripe for an upgrade (or a new light altogether)?

    If I want just max output possible, should I go w/ the S-bin? I'm guessing the runtimes will not be affected.

    Any help is greatly appreciated...thanks guys.
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    Wow, Tony,

    It's about time you came up for air. Remember, all work and no play makes Tony a dull boy.
    Jim - Have lights, lead, and steel will travel

    The heck with runtime. I just want to hold the sun in my hands!! Brighter is Better!

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    Ehehhe... yup, very busy lately. Opening two new offices! Come and visit our new office in LG when you have some time Jim.

    mcmc: As for the Sbin Vs. Ubin, my understanding is that the S is a bit brighter but for how long depends drastically on how often you use it and at what level. If it's alway in burst mode then it will shorten the life quicker but remember, the battery at burst levels is not going to be full-out for very long. I have no worries and also will say that the light was designed for easy access to future modding so... all I have to say is, what are you waiting for?!?! There weren't many made and aren't many left. I'm surprised there are any left.

    Hope you can make it to the get-together on the 18th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CroMAGnet
    Come and visit our new office in LG when you have some time Jim.
    What time is the grand opening with the unlimited free pizza and beer - I'll be there.
    Jim - Have lights, lead, and steel will travel

    The heck with runtime. I just want to hold the sun in my hands!! Brighter is Better!

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    Attractive light, and for a competitive price, too.

    I saw "40 lumens" quoted here. Any other guesses (or better, test results) about the brightness levels of the Draco?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loomy
    Attractive light, and for a competitive price, too.

    I saw "40 lumens" quoted here. Any other guesses (or better, test results) about the brightness levels of the Draco?
    Not sure about the numbers, but here's a U bin Draco w/Turbohead vs. HDS Basic 60 - both at full settings, with fresh batteries at 3.5 feet:

    HDS Basic 60:


    Draco U bin with Turbohead:


    My photography skills suck, but to my eyes, the Draco hangs right in there. In use, the HDS has a bit more throw, but I prefer the cooler temp of the U bin Draco.

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    Here's a question for you bin experts: The Draco intro states that the S bin should be noticeably brighter, but when I compare it to my newly-received U bin, I think the U bin looks brighter - it's definitely whiter. Is the S bin really supposed to be brighter?

    Left: S bin, Right: U bin - both at 3.5 feet with fresh batteries at max output (burst mode)
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    Here's what the extended model looks like compared to the stock unit:


    Here's how a fully-loaded and a stock unit compare: (sorry about the weird color balance)


    Here's the 2 Dracos and an HDS for size reference:


    I'm looking forward to seeing beam shots by you Draco owners who know how to use your cameras!

    Cheers
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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" - - - PART 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Rookwood
    Here's what the extended model looks like compared to the stock unit:


    Here's how a fully-loaded and a stock unit compare: (sorry about the weird color balance)

    Cheers
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    Ooohhh.....it's so BIG !

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    Quote Originally Posted by CroMAGnet
    WOW!! Jeff, those are some serious statements. Can hardly wait to see those pics.

    People I have shown the turbo head Draco have been really amazed. It really reminds me of a RAW when it comes to beam quality. I really like my RAW, its what it's suppose to be... RAW and the Draco is sooo sweet and refined.
    CroMAGnet,

    I'm with you on the comparison with the RAW beam. I think another thing the Draco shares with the RAW is a very nice twisty action. Very smooth and consistent. No mushy feeling leaving you wondering if you've given it enough of a twist or too much.

    Chuck

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    Beamshots posted here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rookwood
    Here's a question for you bin experts: The Draco intro states that the S bin should be noticeably brighter, but when I compare it to my newly-received U bin, I think the U bin looks brighter - it's definitely whiter. Is the S bin really supposed to be brighter?

    Left: S bin, Right: U bin - both at 3.5 feet with fresh batteries

    Are both lights in burst mode? I really want maximum brightness, but if these are both in burst, I think I'll go with the S bin. I like the warmer, creamier tint.

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    Rookwood - thanks so much! That's exactly the kind of photo I was looking for =) *clap clap*

    CroMag - thanks for the reply. I would probably split my time b/t a lower level, and burst. From Rookwood's beamshot comparison though, I concur that the U-bin looks brighter? Certainly cooler tinted...grr, hard to decide. And no, I can't get both =) yet. > Regarding S-bin v/s U-bin longetivity, I don't have much of a ballpark idea of how much quicker the S-bin will degrade w/ frequent burst use, but even if it was as 'low' as 1000 hrs, how many years will that be? And if the design does lend itself to easy modding (guess so since the LE pops out!) that's a bonus too (cree xr-e?). One last q for you CroMag - when you say "the battery at burst levels is not going to be full-out for very long" - do you mean that at burst/high, it's going DD and as the voltage drops the dangerousness drops too, as far as LED health for the S-bin?

    One final q - the turbohead, serves to focus the photons to concentrate into a hotter hotspot, right? So if I was interested in a floodier beam, the stock head is fine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trashman
    Are both lights in burst mode? I really want maximum brightness, but if these are both in burst, I think I'll go with the S bin. I like the warmer, creamier tint.
    Yes - both lights were in burst mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmc
    Rookwood - thanks so much! That's exactly the kind of photo I was looking for =) *clap clap*

    CroMag - thanks for the reply. I would probably split my time b/t a lower level, and burst. From Rookwood's beamshot comparison though, I concur that the U-bin looks brighter? Certainly cooler tinted...grr, hard to decide. And no, I can't get both =) yet. > Regarding S-bin v/s U-bin longetivity, I don't have much of a ballpark idea of how much quicker the S-bin will degrade w/ frequent burst use, but even if it was as 'low' as 1000 hrs, how many years will that be? And if the design does lend itself to easy modding (guess so since the LE pops out!) that's a bonus too (cree xr-e?). One last q for you CroMag - when you say "the battery at burst levels is not going to be full-out for very long" - do you mean that at burst/high, it's going DD and as the voltage drops the dangerousness drops too, as far as LED health for the S-bin?

    One final q - the turbohead, serves to focus the photons to concentrate into a hotter hotspot, right? So if I was interested in a floodier beam, the stock head is fine?
    Thanks for all those pictures

    I'll try to answer your questions as best I can. But first I must ask you if you used the same size battery in the S Vs. U picture. I'm assuming you did but if you used the AAA size body in the U then it will pro'ly be brighter.

    As for the burst level at full-out, yes it will be draining the battery quickly anyway so it should be dropping from around 600mA down to 500mA or lower at a fairly fast rate. So it's not like you can leave the LED on for half an hour at Burst levels. I'd hazard a gues that you'd get maybe 5-minutes above 500mA and you'd pro'ly want to drive the light at around 400mA without much worry for the LED. These are just estimates from the basics I've gleaned in CPF over the years. Jonathan, Newbie, McGizmo or others can get a lot more detailed here.

    Now when using the AAA size battery you will pro'ly get 700mA on Burst. Maybe higher and it will last a lot longer so you'll want to go easy on any LED there. (if you're concerned with preserving the LED) By this time next year the Sbin or Ubin even will pro'ly be selling for $1 each if you care to replace the LED. And even upgrade to a CREE if/when that happens

    I'm rambling and tired. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    niterz

    PS ROOKWOOD: Great pics in your link! Thanks!

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    I love it when you guys have fun

    ...

    I get alot of question regarding the brightness of the S vs U bin.
    "Statistically" from the samples that I tested the S-bin have a higher "chance" of being brighter than the U-bin. But how for long ... one, two five years, I don't know.

    The brightness difference is < 5%. It's all really really close.

    At the end of the day it really comes down to what tint you like, Y0 or W0/X0 because all of them will make you see stars. At least I do everynight when I assemble them.


    --- Now for the modder in me ---
    Long story ... My bro-in-law is a fishaholic, he would so fishing pratically every week and stay out in the freaking cold and rain till 4-5 AM. Last week he hit the big one. He got himself a whopping 72" sturgeon. He gave my wife 1/3 of the fish. He also brag alittle about his gear the entire day.

    One particular item in his box caught my eye. It was the stainless steel, frictionless ball bearing swivel. I heard of them from the edcforums.com but never knew what they are and where to look for them.

    So I got two of them, take a look! They are a blast. Now my Draco can rotate freely.

    I wish I knew where these were sold prior to purchasing the Pico light just for the swivel




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    Now for a sad note. One of the member report Draco #52 is MIA. I hope that I just shipped them to the wrong person. If anyone happen to recieve #52 please let me know ASAP. Thank you.
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    Hey guys,

    Where does the o-ring sit in the head. Is it in front of the glass or behind the glass in front of the reflector.
    Not sure if anyone else is having a problem with the o-ring at the front squeezing out when twisted on a few times. I have put it back in and it keeps on slipping out at one side.
    Anybody?

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevevh
    Hey guys,

    Where does the o-ring sit in the head. Is it in front of the glass or behind the glass in front of the reflector.
    Not sure if anyone else is having a problem with the o-ring at the front squeezing out when twisted on a few times. I have put it back in and it keeps on slipping out at one side.
    Anybody?

    Thanks,

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    Steve -

    On both of mine, the O-ring is between the glass and the reflector.

    It seems odd that yours would be moving around, since the cap/lens and emitter head should be secured tightly under normal operation. The reflector should be making constant pressure against the O-ring.

    Chris

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    The Ti production have just recently completed. Unfortunately there was a miss communication between me & the boss (I say turn left, he thought it was his right). As a result some of the parts need to be reworked. So there goes my nice and beautiful weekend in the park.

    As promissed to one of the Ti participant member. Here's a shot of 1/80 Ti Light.



    Oh the LL version was done manually and will not be available FS.

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    I'm sooooo glad to be getting a Ti version of this mini-powerhouse! I can't wait to try out the turbo head in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFiorentino


    I'm sooooo glad to be getting a Ti version of this mini-powerhouse! I can't wait to try out the turbo head in person.

    -DF
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    You saw what this was going to be from the very beginning! :

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    Quote Originally Posted by modamag


    Oh the LL version was done manually and will not be available FS.
    Jonathan, is that the non-lanyard body behind that won't be made? What's "LL"?
    Looking great and I can (hardly) wait to get mine.

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    Default Re: Introducing "Draco" - - - PART 2

    Quote Originally Posted by modamag
    The Ti production have just recently completed. Unfortunately there was a miss communication between me & the boss (I say turn left, he thought it was his right). As a result some of the parts need to be reworked. So there goes my nice and beautiful weekend in the park.

    As promissed to one of the Ti participant member. Here's a shot of 1/80 Ti Light.



    Oh the LL version was done manually and will not be available FS.

    Ho !!! I finally find this thread Nice pictures and... the turbo head seams very nice...If only I had more money ...

    I posted in another thread....sorry I didn't remember this part 2 of Draco thread I saw here, the difference between TIN and TICN...my bad

    Awaiting patiently the soon release of TI

    And about the LL version,

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    *** Final Titanium Coating Consideration ***
    Guys, we are pretty much ready for the TiCN & TiN separation. This will be the last opportunity for the members to choose their Titanium coating or lack their of.

    I will probably have one of each (Ti/TiN/TiCN). Personally the one that might make it to my EDC will be the Ti bare version. After seeing the results of 300 RPM 0.001" I don't want any coating to "mask" the smooth machine finish.

    I only made enough for the run (40/40), so unfortunately there is not enough to cover for people who change their mind after the plating is done.

    I think malcontent and Morelite somehow predicted this cause they order pure Ti-6/4 bare.


    SteveStephens: the Lanyard-Less (LL) body will not be available to the public. The reason is there's no function to it other than the title of "shortest high power LED flashlight". It's 3.75mm shorter than the typical Draco. Side walls are extremely thin.

    Frenchyled; It's OK my friend. Long time no hear from you. If anyone deserve a LL in their collection it would be you.

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    The Ti sure looks sweet.

    Please change TiCN order #8 to bare Ti, including the turbo head and extesion tube of course.

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    I didn't realize "no coating" was an option. Please change #16 to Ti bare.

    Thanks,
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    Bare Ti for me too please....and a bare extension tube added to my order if possibe. Thanks.

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