L0-Ti Arrived.........Holy Crap!!

[Frank_Zuccarini]

The postman just dropped off my L0-Ti.

I won't pretend to be able to add any insight to the reviews already presented on the CPF. I just want to say that I own a bunch of torches from SureFire, Inova, Fenix and others, and this newest little gem can stand shoulder to shoulder with any of them.

My current keychain light is a Fenix E1, but this L0-Ti has a cleaner, whiter, more powerful and much more useful beam than the E1. It is going on my keychain right now, and I'm just thrilled to own one. I hope for the rest of the world that Fenix quickly produces the same light in anodized Al (and maybe a Cree) so that the same qualities become available for more people, without the more exotic (and expensive) metal Titanium.

Frank

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I think, but I cannot be sure, that Fenix did dress it down a bit and produce the L0D. Most likely, the LED will not be an S-bin.

I am glad that you like it.

Does it flicker on the low levels like the L0P SE?

-Goatee

[munkybiz_9881]

I have the LO-Ti and I do not notice any flickering on lower levels, but then again I dont chase to many white walls so I may not have noticed.

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I have the LO-Ti and I do not notice any flickering on lower levels, but then again I dont chase to many white walls so I may not have noticed.

Aim it at a ceiling fan and cycle through the levels. See if you notice some funny business with the way the fan looks on the lower levels.

I have pretty much given up on obtaining an L0 Ti... since the L0D looks to be the same recipe, I was giving it consideration but I just did not like the way the LOP SE flickered.

-Goatee

[EngrPaul]

Chew ice while looking at the side of the lens

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My L0P SE is being loaned out or I would try it...

By the way, were you chewing ice in the dark and playing with your flashlight?

If so, I can identify with that

-Goatee

[munkybiz_9881]

Just tried it witht he fan and I can tell a difference, so I would say it is possible that it does flicker. But I seriously have never noticed this until now and I have been using it several times a night. It really doesn't bother me, but to each his own.........

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Thank you for checking. They are great lights all around and that is one of the reason I was loaning mine to a co-worker who can't believe how much I spend on flashlights... I figure it will get him hooked

The reason that they flicker is because they use Pulse Width Modulation to dim the beam; this is also the means that HDS uses on it's lower levels.

Thanks again! Now I am just waiting for someone to try the ice trick.

By the way, I am jealous of you guys that have one of these lights. I have wanted one since I saw the pictures when they first came out. They are beautiful and the fact that they come with a premium Lux I is just icing on the cake!

-Goatee

[x2x3x2]

flickering has nothing to do with whitewall hunting.
i believe that only applies to tint and beam quality.

hehe wats with the fan n ice chewing? all u gota do is wave it in front of u, see if it maintains a constant "line" of light or sort of "spots" instead.

[Flying Turtle]

I agree. It's real easy to see if it uses PWM by waving the light. I've never noticed it in normal use.

Geoff

[MarNav1]

The postman just dropped off my L0-Ti.

I won't pretend to be able to add any insight to the reviews already presented on the CPF. I just want to say that I own a bunch of torches from SureFire, Inova, Fenix and others, and this newest little gem can stand shoulder to shoulder with any of them.

My current keychain light is a Fenix E1, but this L0-Ti has a cleaner, whiter, more powerful and much more useful beam than the E1. It is going on my keychain right now, and I'm just thrilled to own one. I hope for the rest of the world that Fenix quickly produces the same light in anodized Al (and maybe a Cree) so that the same qualities become available for more people, without the more exotic (and expensive) metal Titanium.

Frank

We want more TI Fenix, are you listening? Hope you don't mind my comment Frank Z.

[Frank_Zuccarini]

"I think, but I cannot be sure, that Fenix did dress it down a bit and produce the L0D. Most likely, the LED will not be an S-bin."

Yes, the L0D appears to be a dressed down version of the L0-Ti. The L0-Ti has the S-bin LED, and it produces 33% more light on high (40 vs 30 lumens). Interesting enough, although the P1D-CE is longer than the P1, the L0-Ti is exactly the same length and width as the L0 and E1. I know that the Cree in the P1D-CE requires a longer reflector, but someone posted that the body is also longer to allow for the electronics. That is not the case with the L0-Ti.

Fenix tells us the the reduced light levels are Pulse Width Modulated, so there MUST be flickering. However, I do not see it, and I will not be shining it through a fan in order to be able to discern it.

Like I said, I am very happy with this light. I would be just as happy with an anodized Al version (although the Ti is beautiful, and I see no color difference between the head and body), and I'd be even happier with a Cree version of the E1/L0, but not if it had to be longer.

Frank

[x2x3x2]

i dont think that pwm automatically related to flickering.
if each pulse width controlled by the chip is less than the time it takes of the led to turn on n off. but then again, that would require it to me something like less than 20ms i think.. oh well..

[mchlwise]

I agree. It's real easy to see if it uses PWM by waving the light. I've never noticed it in normal use.

I have. It doesn't bother me too much, but if I'm using it and move it too quickly, I can see it.

[Concept]

I know if you shine a PWM light through the shower in the dark it looks cool.....

Now how many of you are going to try it?

[Frank_Zuccarini]

I'll give the shower thing a try. That sounds interesting to me.

I'm guessing that it's a strobe-like effect? Freezing the drops?

See, PWM can be a benefit, not a libility.

Frank

[WildChild]

Yes freezing effect! Really nice to see! I think the best way to see the PWM is too move the light up and down very fast. You'll see a lot of distinct circles with dark spaces between them. On high, it's much like a line of light with no dark spots.

[Moonknight]

Check with you guys, do you feel the turning on and off of your L0P-Ti a little bit rough?

[greenLED]

i dont think that pwm automatically related to flickering

IIRC, goldserv now sets his pwm to a faster rate so we can't pick up the "flickering" (which is not exactly flickering, BTW) - so, no PMW isn't necessarily picked up by all people.

[Frank_Zuccarini]

Moonknight..........I do find the threads on my L0-Ti to be a bit rough, compared to my other Fenixs. They get better after a couple hundred twisting cycles, but I attribute the roughness not to Fenix's machining technique but, rather, to the nature of Titanium. I am no machinest, but I understand that Ti is rather hard to machine. This difficulty in machining accounts for, in good part, the increased cost of Ti goods.

I love my L0-Ti....................Frank

[FsTop]

After 4000-5000 180-degree twists, with lube and clean cycles every couple of hundred twists, mine wasn't getting any smoother, so I finally tried the teflon tape as recommended elsewhere, and it works.

The twisty finally feels like it ought to, although I suspect that the tape will need replacement with each battery.

[Anglepoise]

The machining on my T0 was just about perfect but even with breaking in,
the nature of Ti coupled with the spring and 'O' ring will give a pretty rough twist.
I have used Teflon tape on all my twisties and it is a huge improvement.

[fnmag]

Frank, glad you like the new Lo-Ti. If you really want to see it flicker...stand on your left foot whilst wearing a combat boot on your right foot, at the same time chew on a lemon that has a liberal dose of cayenne red pepper sprinkled on it and point the light at a 17 degree angle from the horizontal at a perriwinkle colored wall all the while singing Blue Moon and you'll see it flicker! Enjoy your new light, it's a keeper.

[Moonknight]

Frank, thanks for the reply. You could be right on the titanium.

FsTop and Anglepoise, thanks for the tip. I assume that just one round of teflon tape on the threads?

Thanks guys!

[havand]

I have the L0P-SE and the L0P-Ti. To me, they look the same brightness, at least inside. I don' know about outside. The L0P-Ti has a much more vanilla or creamy color and the SE has a much more blueish purple hue. I don't know, maybe its the thought of having a $120 (What it cost me to get it) keychain light in college or my perception of value between the SE and the Ti, bu mine is still in the box while i try to decide what to do with it. :/

[Anglepoise]

I assume that just one round of teflon tape on the threads?

Thanks guys!

First clean the threads well so the Teflon tape will not move.
Then use the white ( 0.001" ) or pink (0.003" ) Teflon tape and stretch it while wrapping ONE layer with a 1/4" overlap. Then carefully remove any excess making sure that the electrical path is not compromised.

This mod will only work if there is a little 'slop' in the tread fit to start with.

[Moonknight]

Ah...thanks David, will try it when I get home. Thanks for the guide! Appreciate it.

[dchao]

The L0P-Ti has a much more vanilla or creamy color and the SE has a much more blueish purple hue.

L0-Ti has the guaranteed W0 tint, which is vanilla color.
The SE should have a standard T bin LED, yours probably TY0 something.....
Blue tint is usually brighter as the phosphor layer is thinner, and allowing more blue light to come through.

[EngrPaul]

Got my #039 from BrightGuy ALREADY

Yes, the tint of the beam takes on the body color

[EngrPaul]

I highly recommend cleaning the threads. I looked under magnification and saw quite a few particles of metal. This is the reason for the rough operation. When I used a q-tip and alcohol, the q-tip sparkled from the flakes.