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    Default Looking for an accurate starter rifle....any ideas?

    I always liked to shoot, and now that I am 21 I wanted to started shooting with my own rifle. I wanted to see if any of you guys had any suggestions for a starter rifle? I was thinking a .22 rifle since it is cheap and the ammo is cheap as well. Any suggestions/websites?

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    A .22 is a great choice and if you move on to bigger calibers, you'll still love your .22.

    For just having fun and plinking take a look at the Ruger 10/22. A wonderful little gun.

    As far as DBs go, try http://thefiringline.com/forums

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    Answer me some Q's first. How much are you willing to spend? Do you know how to clean a firearm after use? What do you call accurate? Do you want to use a scope or not? You looking to go new or used? where will you be shooting?How much are you willing to spend?
    ***Are you familiar with the safe operation of firearms? Do you know the basic safety rules that if you follow religiously you will never have an accident?***

    You're gonna pay out more for new than used. Usual standards are Ruger 10/22, Marlin 60. Accurate is a relative thing, one man's accurate is another man's atrocious. Some alternatives I have owned that were good starters, reasonably accurate are lever action Henry and all sorts of various bolt actions. Do not blow off the bolt actions, they will teach you the basics of safe handling and shooting, and some of them old pieces are real tack drivers. A scope, usually a 4x on a .22 will improve accuracy and teach you even more about the finer points of shooting. You will start to understand how much crap is portrayed on TV and movies.
    Currently I have a Ruger model 22/45 .22 pistol w/ Simmons red dot. Each and every shot in the bullseye from a bench rest at 25yds. Also have a Marlin 39A .22 lever action w/ Simmons 3-9X scope. @ 50yds by benchrest groups are 3/4"-1 1/2". I find shooting .22's fun and relaxing, and it is the cheapest round to shoot. Buy bricks of 500 rounds and you'll shoot all day. .22's have a helluva lot bigger following than one would think. Surf and search my friend. Being that you live in the People's Republic of Calif. I don't know what your local/state regs are. Here in Fl. I'd say go to a local gun show and you'll be walking out with a very good semi/bolt action for $75-100.

    Above all else learn the safety rules,

    finger off the trigger until ready to fire,

    be sure of the backstop,

    always be aware of where the weapon is pointing,

    treat it as if it's loaded-even if it isn't,
    ***there are more to learn***Check out the NRA site for all of them.***

    DON'T LEAVE YOURSELF OPEN TO ACCIDENTS. Be safe as a courtesy to yourself and those around you.

    http://www.rugerforum.com/cgi-bin/cg...assCookie=true

    http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=rec.guns

    http://auctionarms.com/

    http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/default.asp

    http://gunbroker.com/

    PM me with gun q's anytime my friend. And eventually you can get the light mount made for .22 rifles and mod it to add on your favorites (Scorpion, 2AA's, etc.)
    Hmm, guns, lights,gun WITH lights...
    Gotta go, just wet my pants.

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    I like the Ruger 10/22 also. Cost from about $150 and up, depending on model, new. There are hundreds of upgrades you can do to it. Match trigger, bull barrel, select fire sear, etc.
    Have fun but do it safely.

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    .22 for SURE!!!

    My best one of 4 is a Marlin Bolt (not here in front of me but I think 82 is model) that I got at a now defunct K-Mart for $139.

    With a 3-9x40 (yes, a big full size scope) it easily shoots 1/2" or less at 25yds. And I am not THAT good a shot!

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    My "Best Buy" vote would have to go to the Ruger 10/22. The Marlin 39A, as mentioned by Webbley, as well as a new entry in the field by Thompson Center would be a fine choice, but about twice the price. If you don't plan to use a scope, my choice would be the Henry "Golden Boy". The review I read was that it was very accurate & looks like this: www.henryrepeating.com/ TX

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    Listen to these guys. Great recommendations. I started with a bolt action Marlin .22 I'm not sure of the model, as it was stolen years ago. I didn't use a scope at that time either. Still, very accurate (relatively speaking) and simplistic. Just my recommendation based on my limited experiences.
    edit: Ooh, a Henry. Never had the pleasure of firing one of those. Isn't that what Danny Glover used in Silverado? Or was that Morgan Freeman in Unforgiven? Or both? ... I forget...

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    I had a regular black finish Henry and loved it. Small, light and easy to handle. With just a little practice you can get really fast with the lever. I loved the cheap blocky front sight on it. It was really easy to pick up (for me).One thing I always enphasis to beginneres is that you can spend as much or as little as you want. Two of the most fun pieces I owned was a $60 Remington bolt from a pawn shop. The whole idea is to exercise you 2nd amend rights and own one. It doesn't matter that you own the biggest and best (usually ='s most expensive) to be a good shot. It's up to the individual's choice and most good shooters cut their teeth on a beat up used starter. It's the person shooting not what you're shooting (for the most part). Of course quality speaks volumes, it's the same as with flashlights. Hell I've got guns I won't shoot 'cause I'm scared of getting them dirty.

    BTW, the second piece, a 9mm High Point Carbine.Doesn't fit in the catagory we're speaking of, but was a hoot to shoot. Off hand all shots inside a paper plate at 25yds. And who am I kidding, I love shooting them all, except 12 guages, not really meant for target/recreational shooting, and beats up my skinny little girlie man frame.

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    If you're interested in shooting at all, you may as well get yourself the very best you can afford, even if you have to wait an extra month or two to save up (spend the time enjoying shopping and doing research). It's foolish to skimp on something that will last you a lifetime and give you immeasurable pleasure and possibly save your skin in the process. Whatever rifle you choose, and I would advise a top quality bolt action or lever action, also get yourself a scope or make sure you can at least get a Lyman or Weaver type peep sight. You'll be able to shoot much better with the peep or scope than with open sights. If you can also purchase some 22 CB long cartridges, you may be able to duplicate something significantly better than air-rifle-like performance with equal or less noise, something that may allow you to do basement or backyard practice depending on where you live. I would also highly recommend a 22 handgun with at least a 4 or 5 inch barrel, and would even suggest picking up a cheaper rifle such as the Ruger 10/22 if you can also snag an inexpensive quality 22 handgun in the bargain. You won't be sorry.

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    Does the 10/22 come in Synthetic stock? or just wood?

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    The SS model comes with the synthetic stock. That's the 10/22 I'ld get. Walmart carries it. TX
    Although, according to their list, you can get the blued version with synthetic too (but why).
    www.ruger-firearms.com/rfrimfire_auto.html
    FYI: The $$ shown are about $100 higher than at Walmart.

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    A mexican ammo company, Aguilar, puts out a variety of .22ammo. I have used their Colibri powderless ammo. It is primer only. In a long barreled rifle it makes no sound, only the click of the firing pin releasing and striking. It will not cycle the action in a semi auto. In a handgun with 4-6" bbl. it sounds like an air rifle being shot. I bought a brick and shot it up in the garage using a piece of thick plywood as a backstop. I put 4 screws in a line and duct taped a phone book, set it on the screws like a shely and scotch taped targets to the phone book. After 300-400 rounds you'll have chewed out a hole haly way thru, if you keep hitting it in the same spot.
    I also collect paper to use as targets to save money. I take home all the paper from work that I can that would normally get tossed out, flip it over to the blank side and either draw small circles the size of a quarter in either black or red and fill it in. I find it's all I need for shooting .22 out to 50yds.

    If you're gonna go for the Ruger 10/22 do a search there are tons of 10/22 sights for enthusiasts and those who like to customize.

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    webley445. I agree the Aguilar Co makes great ammo. They also have 1.5" mini-shotgun ammo thats a hoot to shoot.
    If you have a printer, you can download targets free on the internet.

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    Originally posted by sunspot:
    ...There are hundreds of upgrades you can do to it.... select fire sear, etc.
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">hey now- don't you have to be some sort of licensed manufacturer for the select fire goodies?!

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    No you do not. You have to do a transfer tax. NFA Class III rules apply.
    I was semi joking on that. I read in Small Arms Review about a guy making these. Later in the issue I saw an ad selling one. Select fire and an intregel suppressor for $12,000

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    Delete. dbl post

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    I hear you. here we go with the "normal people shouldn't be able to own military weapons" bit.
    Glad I have mine already. I just saw NBC news, they really dogged on the fact that it's "so accurrate" and "so deadly" and , get this, cheap and readily available". Have you priced one lately? I guess $700-800 bucks is cheap for Tom Brokawl (whatever his his). then they started up on being able to get long guns out of the newspaper by private sales. They are gonna have a field day with thisn now that we are safe abd don't have to worry about being shot. Yeah, blame the gun. It's a damn shame it had to be one of our own to do this. Feels like someone does something bad so they punish evreyone else. Time for the "feel goods" to come out.

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    I have a question, whats this FFL I keep seeing at auction sites?

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    Originally posted by webley445:
    Time for the "feel goods" to come out.
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That's exactly right. Logic and reason will again take a backseat to over-emotional reactive thinking. [img]graemlins/bluesigh.gif[/img]

    EDIT: Sorry, off-topic.

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    Originally posted by V8TOYOTATRK:
    I have a question, whats this FFL I keep seeing at auction sites?
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It means they will only ship to Federal Firearms Licence holders. (Private or retail dealers)

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    Gun control act of 1968 means, among other things, that you can only buy a firearm in your or an adjacent state. You can't buy a firearm mail order. Exceptions are to licenced firearms dealers, hence FFL. The act never saved a single life, but somebody wanted to do something after the Kennedy thing, so there you go.

    10/22 is a nice rifle. Try different barrel lengths and weights, find something you like and are comfortable with. Any decent .22 rifle will shoot better than the person behind it...modern .22's are amazing.

    Best thing would be to find somebody that knows how to shoot, and let them help you out. Hint is, if they can't shoot better than a half inch group at 50yrds from an improvised rest, all day long, with the .22, they're doing something drastically wrong. (Not someone that's just starting, I mean someone that could maybe teach you something.)

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    Originally posted by V8TOYOTATRK:
    I have a question, whats this FFL I keep seeing at auction sites?
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Federal Firearms License. To ship or receive a firearm frrm out of state and/or by mail carrier you'll have to go to a licensed gun dealer. He will contact the seller and give him his shop's address to receive the package. Normally there is a nominal charge for this service. Sometimes the costs of shipping and FFL receiver can run costs up to retail store level offering no real savings. Normally they charge you a flat fee or a percentage of the cost of the firearm.

    There are exceptions to this. Blackpowder firearms can be mailed ordered providing your state/city/location allows it. Blackpowder shooting is also a fun hobby. got me a .50 cal percussion sidelock made by CVA. These guns, both pistol and rifle are a helluva lot more accurate than you'd think. The other is a Curio and Relic or C&R firearm. I have a C&R license issued to me by BATF, $30 for three years, that allows me to purchase and receive firearms deemed as curios and relics by BATF, vasically considered collectible. These are guns that fire an odd, out of date or unusual crtridge, and/or is 50 or more years since being produced, and/or mil-surp. I get them at wholesale and Fed-Ex'ed to my front door. God I love this country!
    Lots of sites that'll show you the types of mil surp and older guns you can get and how to get the license. Some folks rule these guns out as being reliable or good because they are old or do not fire a popular modern cartridge. I find the mil-surp pieces to be built like tanks and powerful. I also have some pistols that are C&R that are batter than some modern handguns. Nothing beats military grade for longevity.

    **EDIT**
    Forgot to addthat firearms that are pre-1899 also require no FFL to receive. Also the only part of the weapon that actually counts as "the gun" is the receiver. So you can receive any portion/part of a firearm except the receive. Check out the parts kits on the auction site. Here's someplace to start.

    http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/4064/

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    http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm

    Here a DOJ report on wound ballistics that I found interesting.

    http://www.autoweapons.com/products/othergoodstuff.html

    Here's an example of BATF classified"Any Other Weapon" (AOW). Still class 3 and requiring registering and transfer fee, but for AOW it's only $5 for the stamp ($200 for full autos and such).

    As with anything, do a search on class 3 weapons and you'll find out more than you want to know about them. there are regulations about using, transporting, storing, etc of class 3 weapons that you will be required to adhere to. Accurate records will be kept of your transfer and qwnership (big deal to some, not to others). Personally I think they are way overpriced, and the allure of blazing away a machine gun overshadows the facts of actually using/owning one. But if I ever win the lotto.....

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    My advice is first the Ruger 10/22 stainless laminated stock but the stainless Ruger Mini-14 is even better. However in light of recent events I recommend if you are able to pass all background papers go out NOW and get a Bushmaster AR-15, reason is they will be in short supply soon, average starting price is $700, I have two customized versions.Its a .223 (5.56NATO)semiauto rifle.

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    Hm, I really thought that it is not legal for anyone (except a Class 02 manufacturer)to convert a gun to Class III, unless the conversion part was manufactured or imported prior to 1968. I thought that was why Class III stuff was so expensive, the limited supply (in addition to the heavy restrictions and transfer tax)

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    When I hit lotto, it's a M2 for me.

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    Originally posted by Daniel Ramsey:
    ... However in light of recent events I recommend if you are able to pass all background papers go out NOW and get a Bushmaster AR-15, reason is they will be in short supply soon...
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My heart sank when I saw that was the rifle recovered from the car. It shouldn't be too hard for anti-gun folks to rush a ban on these "evil black rifles" after pictures are plastered all over the news for the next few days. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

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