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webley445

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Heard a newsstory this morn that got me basting. maryland now allows only sales of handguns with an internal safety lock. This limits the amount and type of handguns available to the public, a further infringement on their rights and an outright blatant attempt to do away with the citizen's 2nd am. rights.

Also they said that they will taking the 10,000+ leads that came in for the sniper attacks and following up on them to find those who are violating their gunlaws.

Yeah, Stalin and Hitler would be proud.

If this was misreported or I am wrong then set me straight because this to me is very wrong and makes me very sad. It just isn't right, but I guess that those in government know what is best for the uninformed, uneducated public rabble.
 

doubleganger

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I heard about that too. Most firearms manufacturers will just stop selling in Maryland. Obviously the intent is not to provide "safer" guns, It's a back door way to make them unavailable to the law abideing citizen. More victim disarmament laws. Have you ever hit a hot button with me! For example, more highschool students die every year playing football than are killed by firearms on schoolgrounds. So if the goal was really to save lives football would be eliminated. I could go on and on.
 

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Tarus, Glock and Springfield are three that come to mind that have internal locks. I believe there is a retrofit lock for 1911's. There are other states that have this same BS law.
I belong to Gun Owners of America and they send out preprinted post cards to send to your lawmakers about pending bills. If time is short, they send you an email that you can print and send in.
I keep on my Senators ***'s all the time and if they screw up, I let them know about it.
If you want to keep your weapons, get involved and DO something about it.
 

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Yeah, GOA kicks butt. I'm a life member. Life member of NRA too but the NRA is just to liberal for my taste now. And sure, there are a few with the locks, but you can bet it will reduce the availability of affordable handguns, which is the real purpose of the law.
 

logicnerd411

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Guys, I don't see the trouble here. I myself live near Maryland, and this makes me feel better. At least they give you the right to even have a gun.
 

Anarchocap

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Logicnerd,

If you can't own a gun without the state saying its okay, then its not a right, its a privledge.

Currently ~90% of the population associates freedom with the ability to wake up, go to work 5 or more days a week, and give ~75% of the fruits of our labor to various government entities under the threat of duress.

That sounds more like slavery to me. If it ain't voluntary, it ain't liberty!
 

tkl

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Originally posted by logicnerd411:
Guys, I don't see the trouble here. I myself live near Maryland, and this makes me feel better. At least they give you the right to even have a gun.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">it has nothing to do with making anyone safer. it has to do with stairstepping to their ultimate goal, doing away with private firearms ownership. think i'm crazy? gun laws do nothing to curb violence or anything productive for that matter. at best, they make ill-informed/unimformed people feel better. stats and history tell us the truth. new york and DC have the highest murder/gun crime rates in the states and both cities banned firearms ownership a long time ago! what does that tell you? cities that have the fewest gun laws have the lowest rates. see a pattern?

the only thing current gun laws do are make it difficult and costly for honest law abiding citizens to buy/sell/trade firearms.

webley, thanks for the reminder. just went and re-upped my membership. and yes, GOA does kick butt!
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Seriously think about it. How many terrorist or would be bank robbers would think twice knowing everyone else is packing. I am for training in proper use if you want to carry. But how many of our rights are they going to take away?
 

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Originally posted by Brock:
But how many of our rights are they going to take away?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">All of em eventually.

not a lot of people have heard this, but since England banned handguns their murders and home invasions are way, way up
 

tkl

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Originally posted by doubleganger:
not a lot of people have heard this, but since England banned handguns their murders and home invasions are way, way up
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">really! why?
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tkl, I think that the bad guys know that most law abiding in the UK do not have any protection with firearms and thus, they see this as an opportunity to break in and possibly murder their victims, without fear of the victim firing back. It gives the criminals one extra layer of comfort in knowing that their risks of getting shot at by an obeyer of the law, to be greatly reduced. So they have many more potential victims to choose from. I agree totally what Brock said above. If you're going to rob someone in their own home, you'll think twice about "Are they or aren't they packing?"

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Why haven't they heard this?
I've not heard this point of view and I live here.

Applying American cultural values on other Cultures and Nations that are so different is something I tend to avoid.

We may not want your President as much as you may not want our Queen.

I wouldn't take America's guns away.

I don't think we are ready to personally own firearms just yet.

Our increase in gun-crime is not in house robbery or area in which arming the general population would have an impact on. From what I gather it is gang and drug related, concentrated in urban centres of known social trouble. Spend my taxes improving the situation in these areas before spending them arming the people in my street.

What I'm trying to say is that a blanket introduction of guns into the UK is unlikely to solve our gun-related social problems that are localised and do not represent the huge majority of the population.

Perhaps regardless of whether we need guns or not in my society, we aren't willing to pay for guns. Justify to "middle England" the need to own a gun and you have a chance.

Respectfully,

Al
 

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All handguns were illegal in Maryland, briefly, a few years ago. They passed a law allowing only handguns on an approved list, and hadn't drawn up the list.

It because of was bull like this I voted for Ehrlich and not Townsend only 2 month's ago, fat lot of good it did.

When I grow up I want to live in West Virginia; I think it still pays to be an adult there.

I'll trade this president for any queen, please.
 

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But will your trade accept Tony and his Lords too?

Every Nation has issues to sort out. Guns appear to be very high on America's list.
Our Government appears not to want to right lists (against which they can be judged of course) If there was a list, I doubt arming our population would be on it.

Al
 

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Originally posted by tkl:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by doubleganger:
not a lot of people have heard this, but since England banned handguns their murders and home invasions are way, way up
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">really! why?
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</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">"Just recently, the violent crime levels in England have risen during the past year by more than 15%. These results represent a continuation of crime problems in England that have been encountered since their gun bans took affect in the mid 1990s. The home invasion, burglary, robbery, and a wide range of other crime rates in England now exceed that of the U.S."
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=409

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/homedefense.html

http://home.earthlink.net/~conserve/noguns.htm

http://hnn.us/comments/1228.html

http://www.antiquegunroom.com/agr/newspaper/articles/06_2002/snippets_england.php

etc., etc., etc

edit: here's a really good one:
"John Lott, with the help of David Mustard, shows that firearms in the home have a major deterrent effect on what their study refers to as 'hot burglary', a situation where a criminal robs a residence when the occupier is home. A 1986 study of convicted felons in the United States conducted by Wright and Rossi found that most were far more worried about running into an armed victim than they were about being caught by the police.6 The proof lies in the fact that fewer than 13% of burglaries in the US are carried out on occupied premises, while in Britain it is in the order of 50%.7 Not only are average Britons far more likely to be robbed, but it is much more likely to occur when they are at home."
http://www.ssaa.org.au/iladec98.html

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You guys should try living in New Jersey. Anyway, the way I see it, you've got 2-choices. One is to accept it and get on with your lives or two to move out of the state where obtaining firearms is easier. Quite frankly and with all due respect, most folks I know that are "into" guns have always been to the extreme. They're not happy with being able to get a firearm with some stipulations, such as a waiting period or in this case, something with a locking mechanism.
 

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Nascar,
Usually people who are "into" guns have some assemblance of liberty. To which, this country was founded upon. Those principals basically caused a revolution. Namely excessive taxation (a la the Boston Tea Party), and gun confiscation (a la "The British are coming" to take away the colonists firearms) sparked the beginnings of this country.

In my eyes, servitude to a powerful state that gets to dictate what I can do with my own personal life and steal from the fruits of my labor via taxation seems extreme to me.

Of course you do live in a state that already restricts gun ownership and the ammunition that feeds it, so the expectation that you could relate to the freedom of unfettered gun ownership would be would be a tad obtuse.

Everyone, tkl was being sarcastic. If you read his posts, it is quite obvious.

A00079, Firearms ownership, including handguns, was a part of the history of your country, is a part of English Common Law, until recently (this century) was never controlled, and until very recently (the past 30 years) never banned.
 

ygbsm

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Try NYC where they have made it nearly impossible for law abiding citizens to own guns, but criminals don't seem to have any trouble getting ahold of them, where it's illegal to carry knives over 4 inches in blade length. The NYC City counsel is considering a bill to ban all toy guns also.

It's the sort of place where I would not be surprised if there were a ban on SF M6s -- the argument would be the same -- why do you need it?

The way things are going, it looks like the rest of the country will eventually have laws like NYC.
 
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