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    Default Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    Im a member of a Volunteer Dept. and the city gave us permission to train on 3 houses that are going to be demolished .

    One of the excercise was to do a search in a smoked filled house .
    Of course being a flashaholic , decided to try my flashlights to see if they will help.


    The smoke was really thick, but what the heck, I have a Quad Cree Mag that might be up to the challenge....


    Ok, maybe not...


    Definitely not, the flashlight didnt really help beyond 3 feet..it was really scary..



    I even took a video inside , but I need to find a place to host it...

    Anyways, any solutions?? Maybe do a mod on a mag to make it work in smoke filled house...

    Thanks...

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    Cool pics. I suggest something powerful that is an incandescent because LEDs can't cut through smoke and fog as well as the yellow light. But even with a lot of light, its going to be hard to cut through that amount of smoke. Maybe Surefire M6? Or ROP high?

    BTW, you can host the video on www.youtube.com? or www.photobucket.com?
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    Mine experians with white led's are that they don't work in smoke. The whiteness causes the light to reflect on the smoke. Causing a beam that is very visible, but doens't show me whats behind the smoke.

    A good old, incan with moderate output seems to work best. Pelican makes good ones, which also has a ATEX certification (explosion safe, gives you a safer feeling when the LEL meter starts peeping and flashling)

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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    I even tried my Magcharger with a FiveMega battery Mod , I think it boosted the voltage to 7.2 volts and it didnt really do any better...

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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    Nice shots.........

    We used to have to do enclosed compartment firefighting as part of our training when I was in the Navy.
    In my experience when dealing with a truly smoke filled room - the only use for a personal flashlight would be so that you could tell that the person holding it was standing directly next to you.

    If you could actually make that person out you would be within touching distance of them anyway !

    A powerful flashlight just lights up the smoke and makes things worse...Think putting your high beams on in the car when driving in fog.

    Your brain gets even more confused when it thinks it should be able to see and it can't...Best bet is to close your eyes and go by sense of touch....Seriously.


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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tjin
    Mine experians with white led's are that they don't work in smoke. The whiteness causes the light to reflect on the smoke. Causing a beam that is very visible, but doens't show me whats behind the smoke.
    This is my experience also, but oddly enough, Streamlight Survivor LED (and I'm not aware of a incan version) is geared to firefighters and to cut through smoke, fog etc. Dont know why they didnt use an incan, or if there's a way to make LEDs to actually cut through smoke and fog.

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    basically, u need to find a waterproof, metal housing, capable of high beam (more than 200 lumens) light .......

    worse to worse, u can always get a modamag here .......


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    Dont think a metal light is ideal for a firefighter...

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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    Pelican lights are engineered more towards industial applications. The local fire department here uses stealth lights mounted to their helmets and carry Big D's (3850). I have a M8 8030 that I sometimes carry when im working in a bar that has a smoke machine running and it cuts through the smoke pretty good. StealthLite™ 2400 Photoluminescent (http://pelican.com/lights_detail.php?recordID=2400PL) might be a great choice for you as it has a glow in the dark shroud around the head so you can see it even when the light isnt on, it uses AA sized batteries and is fairly bright.

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    I have a pelican that I forgot to bring, so I didnt get to try it out. I have been checking out the Pelican website as well for the other models, but I would love to build one for this type of application...

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    I did some experiments with visibility through smoke a while back. I put some smoldering material at one end of a small pipe and looked through it at a target past the other end,

    White light, whether from a bulb or an LED, was really bad.

    A flashlight with a red LED (LuxIII) was only "pretty bad." I have since gotten a couple of lights made with amber LuxIIIs, and tried them in thick fog. They are a little better, since you eyes are more sensitive to amber, but still pretty bad.

    The problem with all of them was backscatter. Wavelength helps some (amber being best) but they all produced a lot of backscatter.

    I think it is the beam tightness than the wavelength that makes the most difference. It helps a lot to get the light "off axis" to reduce the backscatter.

    The best luck I have had cutting through smoke or fog is to get a very narrow beam and hold it as far from my eyes as possible.

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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    As ghostguy6 mentioned above regarding the Pelican BIG D, there's also the Pelican BIG ED and the Survivor to take a look at.

    Hope you find what you're looking for and Enjoy!
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    I've got a lot of fire fighter friends.

    I have loaned a BUNCH of lights to them.

    Conclusion: LEDs bluish light "scatters" too much. Yellowish incandescents do better.

    A lot of "spill" is bad ! Even a large corona is not good.

    The most liked light was a 2C Mag I had modded to take 3/CR123s, and with a very tight focus.

    One fire fighter said it was the best he had ever seen.

    BUT: the dept wouldn't buy them batteries for the lights.

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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    Firefighters need a plastic housing (so they dont get burned picking up a dropped light) around a white laser. More throw, no spill to penetrate the smoke. Color of the light probably doesnt matter so much but a yellow beam is less likely to be reflected off the smoke than a smoke colored light. I imagine that if all the smoke was yellow that this would not hold true.


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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    I guess I will have to try one of them Seoul P4 emitter and put them on a Mag....

    I had a Mag with quad cree that didnt workout too well..

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    People only use the big ed and survivor at my station. I have heard no complaints except when they have to buy a new battery and there are only NICADS availiable...
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    Wink Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    hey that looks like my old house!

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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    Quote Originally Posted by benchmade_boy
    hey that looks like my old house!

    J/K
    it was your house....LOL...

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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    Thank You all for recommending the Pelican lights...there are a few in my group that carries the Big Ed and the smaller lights..

    Im hoping to see if I can build something mo better......you know...mod something...

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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    Interesting. Would other coloured led fare better? like infrared or blue, green etc. Maybe a test with high incan, hid etc. Probably flooder better suited than a thrower.......God forbid if there is an emergency like the above, at least some preparations are in order. Thanks for the insight....
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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    Quote Originally Posted by jumpstat
    Interesting. Would other coloured led fare better? like infrared or blue, green etc.
    you can not see infared with the naked eye, althrough if they had NV you may be able to see through smoke as i know you can see through fog, BUT you would be blind once you saw the flame, and you dont really have much depth preception. you may be better off with a


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    Yes...basically all of my high end flashlights and even all of my very bright ones are useless when Im in a smoke filled house...or building...

    Well maybe they will be able to find my dead body , since my Cree flashlight will still be working because its efficient ..
    Last edited by cqbdude; 03-05-2007 at 07:03 PM.

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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    do you have glo-toob FX? or what kind of beekon do you use?


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    I have a Mag that I put a SSC in and it did creat a much tighter and brighter hotspot that the Lux that was on the MAGLED drop in. It does throw better and tighter but it is also a very white beam that may reflect off of the smoke more.

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    Streamlight Survivor Incan....it's the way to go! My brother is a sales rep for a company that specializes in equipment for Fire Fighters and Police etc. The SL Survivor is the most popular and highest rated!

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    Impressive,
    Made me to rethink my escape plan in case of fire/smoke
    anyone knows if another color or UV or IR changes the limited view in smoke?

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    Why doesn't a company make a light with selectable white, amber, and red/orange emitters?

    It seems that there could be a nice market in the firefighting industry.

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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    Quote Originally Posted by kanarie
    Impressive,
    Made me to rethink my escape plan in case of fire/smoke
    anyone knows if another color or UV or IR changes the limited view in smoke?
    If you're in a fire in your own house, even with all the smoke and darkness, you should be able to get out just by memory without a light. The trouble will be when you go back in to save all your precious gems you've been collecting over the years and get overtaken by the smoke.

    Your best bet is to get your naked butt out the door and watch the flames from a neighbor's house. Firefighters don't know your house, so they are the ones that need to penetrate the smoke to navigate and find you clutching your flashlights in the fetal position crying about lost lumens.


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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    I'm certainly no expert here, but the first light that comes to my mind is a Pelican 3C Sabrelight: http://pelican.com/lights_detail.php?recordID=2000

    Where some lights have an orange peel reflector to soften the beam and make it a little more floody, these have a (prefocused) lamp potted in a precise smooth reflector, and while it does have some small amount of flood, the main beam is all throw. It's the closest thing I've seen to a white laser beam pattern (mentioned above). Of all the lights I have, if it were smoky, this is the one I'd reach for. I've seen them for $21 or $28 in quantity one, and you have to use alkalines (3 C batteries) for all the safety ratings to be valid.

    CPF seems to have a lot of Surefire fanatics. I own one Surefire (soon to be 2) and about 10 Pelicans. This is the second "Pelican Advertisement" post I've made (out of a very small number), and I need to say I have no financial interest in Pelican. Having said that, I'd also like to...

    ...Point to a video on their website (again). It's either "What makes a flashlight safe?" or "Safety Approvals" on this page: http://pelican.com/media/videos/index.php In the video the guy beats this flashlight against the floor. Pretty hard, too.

    On one hand this is futile. Some days the smoke is going to be too thick for any light to help you, and your only choice is going to be to feel your way out. But on the other hand, the smoke isn't always that bad, and testing a few lights in it will almost certainly be a good use of your time.

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    Default Re: Best Flashlight for Firemen....

    Quote Originally Posted by benchmade_boy
    you can not see infared with the naked eye, althrough if they had NV you may be able to see through smoke as i know you can see through fog, BUT you would be blind once you saw the flame, and you dont really have much depth preception. you may be better off with a
    Yeah, you are right. We go in to help in the end got fried and blind as well......
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