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    Default P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    ...I would like think so:

    1) Unlimited upgrades - as manufacturers come up with better LEDs, drop-in makers can produce better modules. We purchase them, insert them into our lights, and, voila! Upgrade!

    2) The drop-ins can fit in a variety ofl lights. Who's to say that someone doesn't come up with their own custom drop-in platform?

    3) Innovation - we now have a drop-in capable of multiple light levels with the introduction of the Wolf Eyes Cree 4-mode model

    4) Reparability - if, for some reason, your drop-in fails, you don't have to send the whole light back, just the drop-in. You can always slap another one in. Who doesn't have just one drop-in here anyway?

    5) Price - drop-ins are cheaper than a whole light.
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    What is the best p60 drop in available right now, as far as output and run times? I am, thinking of getting one for my G2

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace12 View Post
    What is the best p60 drop in available right now, as far as output and run times? I am, thinking of getting one for my G2
    Brightest is Gene Malkoff's P60 dropin @ 240 emitter lumens with about 2-3 hours fully regulated runtime on 2x123a. Will also run on 2xRCR123a I've heard, although I haven't tested that.

    The WolfEyes dropins are also well thought of, especially because they will take 18650 or 17670 batteries, depending on the host light. They supposedly come in at around 170 lumens.

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    240 for 3 hours sounds WAY off.

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    I own a lot of high-end lights, but even the best made light is subject to obsolescence related to rapidly improving technology. I recently bought a LumaPower M1 for $90 with a CREE P4, but I know that Q2, Q5 and Rebel 100 emitters are going to make it obsolete soon. I don't do emitter mods and realize that to do it right would probably require a new reflector and circuit board. My first response was to go with cheap lights having new emitters, but then I discovered that the P60 modular design offers the best of both worlds. I can have my premium flashlight body and periodically upgrade it with the latest and greatest modules. I can also have different modules for different purposes and use them in the same light since popping them in is very simple. I recently put Dereelight's new 5-mode Q2 module in my older v.1.0 CL1H body for about a third the cost of a new light. This is the way to go! Wouldn't it be nice if they would do something similar for stereo systems and digital cameras?

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Does anyone have any experience with the Lighthound drop-in?

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    There was another thread about the same thing recently. It seems many people have reached the same conclusion. After owning a few lights and selling most of them off I've found that all I really need is a D26 host (SF G2) and a Maglite for hotwire mods. That way I can keep my collection nice and small without limiting my options.

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    I've seen occasional postings indicating that the P60 fits some lights other than the Surefire ones it's designed for. If so, is there a thread listing the lights which the P60 module fits?

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    If you are talking about drop-ins in general, that would include Malkoff's SSC P4 custom drop-in for the Mag and similar products. But what we're talking about here is an evolving industry standard P60 module that works in many different brands and models of lights. I am probably omitting some manufacturers, but I believe that Surefire (6P/9P/C2/G2), Wolf-Eyes, Huntlight (FT01PJ), Dereelight (CL1H), and Ultrafire (Alpha C-1/502B) all make P60-compliant modular lights. It seems to me, that a consumer can protect his $100 or more investment in a beautiful HAIII body by buying one that can be upgraded for between a quarter and a third the cost of a new light. Moreover, you can have a multipurpose 18650 light with a floody P4 beam one minute then convert it to a Q2 thrower the next. This "open architecture" is definitely the wave of the future.

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    More info:
    Wolf Eyes (6A/6T/6H)
    Pila lights that use a P60

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daekar View Post
    Brightest is Gene Malkoff's P60 dropin @ 240 emitter lumens with about 2-3 hours fully regulated runtime on 2x123a. Will also run on 2xRCR123a I've heard, although I haven't tested that.

    The WolfEyes dropins are also well thought of, especially because they will take 18650 or 17670 batteries, depending on the host light. They supposedly come in at around 170 lumens.
    Uhh, 240 lumens that's what the SSC emitter is capable of.

    Not actual output of the drop-in.
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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by bspofford View Post
    If you are talking about drop-ins in general, that would include Malkoff's SSC P4 custom drop-in for the Mag and similar products. But what we're talking about here is an evolving industry standard P60 module that works in many different brands and models of lights. I am probably omitting some manufacturers, but I believe that Surefire (6P/9P/C2/G2), Wolf-Eyes, Huntlight (FT01PJ), Dereelight (CL1H), and Ultrafire (Alpha C-1/502B) all make P60-compliant modular lights. It seems to me, that a consumer can protect his $100 or more investment in a beautiful HAIII body by buying one that can be upgraded for between a quarter and a third the cost of a new light. Moreover, you can have a multipurpose 18650 light with a floody P4 beam one minute then convert it to a Q2 thrower the next. This "open architecture" is definitely the wave of the future.
    Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. I have half a dozen P60 lights and love this concept.
    The Phaser: A nice EDC with great throw; heat and runtime can be issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaserburn View Post
    Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. I have half a dozen P60 lights and love this concept.
    Dear Phaserburn, the following manufacturers (in alphabetical order) make P60 lights:

    Dereelight
    Huntlight
    Pila
    Surefire
    Ultrafire
    Wolf-Eyes

    all make P60 compatible lights. Can you add to the list?

    Also, the same list manufactures P60 modules but other modules are also available with brand these brand names:

    DX
    X-Alpha

    Can you add to this list too?

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by bspofford View Post
    Dear Phaserburn, the following manufacturers (in alphabetical order) make P60 lights:

    Dereelight
    Huntlight
    Pila
    Surefire
    Ultrafire
    Wolf-Eyes

    all make P60 compatible lights. Can you add to the list?

    Also, the same list manufactures P60 modules but other modules are also available with brand these brand names:

    DX
    X-Alpha

    Can you add to this list too?
    I can also add Brinkmann to the list of lights. If you remove the incan module, the LX accepts P60 modules. One of the only polymer P60 lights I can think of.
    The Phaser: A nice EDC with great throw; heat and runtime can be issues.

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Manufacturers of P60 lights:

    Brinkman (LX)
    Dereelight (CL1H)
    Huntlight (FT01PJ)
    Pila

    Surefire (6P /9P /C2/G2)
    Ultrafire
    Wolf-Eyes

    P60 Modules:

    Above Manufacturers +
    DX
    Malkoff
    X-Alpha

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    I've been watching this P60 drop-in thing also.Do the drop-ins move heat to the light well.What I mean is the drop-in a snug fit ?Do you have to use thermal grease or can you put them in dry?I think it would be nice if someone started a sticky with lights they work in and the drop-ins currently available with some of their specs.Don't look at me it took me 10 mins. to type this
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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace12 View Post
    What is the best p60 drop in available right now, as far as output and run times? I am, thinking of getting one for my G2
    i just got done putting in the P60 Malkoff...all i can say is WOW!....i compared it to my U2, Mag with terra lux and all i have to say is this drop in impressed me! im a very hard person o be impress by a product. GENE thank you!! you do an outstanding job!!!!

    also, Gene's P60 drop in is Waaaayyyyyyyyyy brighter than U2 and MAg Terra lux and now my M2 with P60 drop in is my favorite light out of 19 lights i have (i havent tried my novas yet still in the box)
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    Quote Originally Posted by big beam View Post
    I've been watching this P60 drop-in thing also.Do the drop-ins move heat to the light well.What I mean is the drop-in a snug fit ?Do you have to use thermal grease or can you put them in dry?I think it would be nice if someone started a sticky with lights they work in and the drop-ins currently available with some of their specs.Don't look at me it took me 10 mins. to type this
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    My list above is an attempt to gather the information that we can all use about manufacturers of lights and modules. Although my oldest P60 modules have aluminum slugs threaded into an aluminum mirror, the lastest seem to have brass or copper slugs that sit in a 1.5 cm deep threaded recess in the heads of various lights. It would make sense to use thermal grease here if you run your lights for long periods and don't swap modules often. Some lights like my Dereelight CL1H have a spacer between the bottom of the module and the battery chamber that would allow the thermal paste to be contained. Some like the Ultrafire 502B used to have a cheap insert that was removed after some complained that the contact at the + end of the battery was lousy. Thermal paste without an insert/spacer would not be practical.

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious_character View Post
    I've seen occasional postings indicating that the P60 fits some lights other than the Surefire ones it's designed for. If so, is there a thread listing the lights which the P60 module fits?

    c_c
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=161536

    This really ought to be sticky; it seems like I quote it 3 times a week.

    I suspect as LED LA's becomre more popular, they'll show up here or in a similar comprehensive thread.
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    I switched my EDC over to a surefire 6PD, from a surefire L4, JUST to take advantage of the new LED drop ins.

    The L4 is nice, but there aren't a lot of upgrade choices for it.

    When ANY company makes a LED drop in.. they make it for the 6P FIRST.

    Then, When the R5 bin is out.. I can drop that in just as easily.
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    Try to get your hands on the new Dereelight 5-mode Q2 P60 module. It isn't very expensive, it should work just fine in your Surefire, and it's going to make you very happy. I got lucky and had my module delivered a couple of weeks ago.

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    +1 vote for this to be a sticky... Info about what fits without any modifications (G2 without a gap) would be really handy IMHO.

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Our Premium and Premium Plus modules fit in any Surefire that takes the P60/P90 lamp system without any gap...

    www.BugOutGearUSA.com

    Let me know if you have any questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugOutGear_USA View Post
    Let me know if you have any questions.
    I do.

    Are the premium plus drop-ins in yet? The web site says they are "Due Back In Stock 8/10/07"... so I was just curious.

    I ordered one on Aug 5th, and just can't wait to drop it into my SF 6PD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaserburn View Post
    I can also add Brinkmann to the list of lights. If you remove the incan module, the LX accepts P60 modules. One of the only polymer P60 lights I can think of.
    Is that the Maxfire LX sold at Wal Mart for $20?

    If so, then

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post
    Is that the Maxfire LX sold at Wal Mart for $20?

    If so, then
    Yep.

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post
    Is that the Maxfire LX sold at Wal Mart for $20?

    If so, then
    I think it is even cheaper at Target. My local Target has them for 12$.



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    I have a BOG 3 watt in the truck and the 5 watt in the safe beside the S&Ws. Both work well. I have been wondering about the variable power switches for the P6, work well? What are the levels?

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Why buy a Maxfire LX for $20 or even $12 (plus tax) then put a $10 P60 CREE module into it when you can buy an Ultrafire 502B at DX for $17.50 (or $15.80 each when you buy 3)? Kyle confirmed that the 502B P60 module is exactly the same as the Ultrafire P60 module that they sell separately. The Ultrafire Alpha C-1 and 501B also use P60 modules. You can get the Alpha C-1 with a very bright Q2 module from SuperTactical for about $22, and the 501B is only $15.73 at DX. If you buy 3 lights from DX, the 501B is only $14.03.

    But why buy a cheap body for P60 modules when the cost of a premium flashlight body can be spread over many years? In the past I was buying $25 lights every year that were replaced as new emitters became available. I also bought new lights because new features like multiple modes came along. Now I have a CL1H and can update a really great piece of engineering with P60 modules that cost less than the cheap light. The break even point is only a few years out, and in the meantime, I have a preumium quality light rather than an economy model. Isn't that the real virtue of P60 modules?

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    Default Re: P60 Drop-Ins: The Wave of the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by bspofford View Post
    Why buy a Maxfire LX for $20 or even $12 (plus tax) then put a $10 P60 CREE module into it when you can buy an Ultrafire 502B at DX for $17.50 (or $15.80 each when you buy 3)?
    Well, in my case, I already have the Brinkman. But you're right - for the money, I'd just buy a whole new light...

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