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    Unhappy My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    This has not been a happy day for me . I was using my Aleph 1 at my work bench in the basement and momentarily laid it down. Lucky for me I did, the next thing I heard was a crackling/ hissing sound and noticed the lens was clouding up and than the loud explosion (which my wife heard on the second floor) followed by a yellow flame coming out of the reflector . I'm a lucky man some how I turned away from the work bench and avoided the flying glass from the lens. You can see the destruction in the picture.
    I was using Battery Station's CR123A's in the Aleph. I will not point fingers, but claims by others about exploding CR123A's has now made me a beliver. I will be using SureFire CR123A's from now on! This Aleph 1 was one of my all time favorite lights that I bought from Don. This Aleph 1 was a 2x123 5 w. with a BB700 and a 15 ohm tail switch. I'm hoping I can get the Light Engine replaced along with the refelector and lens, I haven't checked the tail switch yet to see if it fryed. I will have to get some $ together to either get someone to rebuild Aleph or maybe do it myself. This has been very upsetting to say the least.
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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    WOW!!! THAT SUCKS!!!
    I'm glad your not hurt!
    I wonder what happened?.....what betteries were you using?
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    Exclamation Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    NOT ANOTHER BATTERY EXPLOSION!

    first of all glad you weren't hurt
    second...is that a batterystation cell?

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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Looks like two cells.

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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Were you using rechargeable or primary batteries?
    That is scary!

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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Give us details when you can. Be careful handling that stuff! Hope you are okay!

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    Angry Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Thanks all for your concerns, I'm OK.
    These were primary battery's not rechargeable. Yes there are two cells in the picture, the very burned one was the front cell closest to the Light Engine and the other cell was the back one closest to the switch. I'm so lucky I had put the light on the work bench or I might have been badly burned, I can't tell you how freaking hot the battery tube was.
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    Unhappy Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Here's another picture of the exploded lens and reflector.





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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Glad you weren't hurt. Lucky you turned away when you did! That makes me think that maybe paying a little more for Surefire batteries would be a good idea. I use Titaniums now. Never tried battery station batteries.
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    Wow, that's terrible, when you're cleaning this up and taking pictures, remember the guts of a 123 are very toxic. Glad to hear you're ok!
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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    The important think is to figure out WHY the it happened.

    Were both batteries facing the same direction in the tube?

    Was the light ON at the time?
    Were these primaries?
    I would be willing to bet that the manufacture would like to know that this happened and they would most likley replace the light if it were to turn out to be the fault of the battery vs operator error.
    The rechargable cells are supposed to have a protection circuit.
    I would definatly contact the seller and ask what the comapnies policy is regarding mal functioning cells.
    put all of the parts into a ziploc bag and seal if in order to perserve the evidence as much as possible.

    It is important to get to the bottom if this in order to prevent this from happening and possibly injuring sombody.
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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Looks like the head survived...

    Glad to hear you were not injured...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaesumofo View Post
    The important think is to figure out WHY the it happened.

    Were both batteries facing the same direction in the tube?

    Was the light ON at the time?
    Were these primaries?
    I would be willing to bet that the manufacture would like to know that this happened and they would most likely replace the light if it were to turn out to be the fault of the battery vs operator error.
    The rechargeable cells are supposed to have a protection circuit.
    I would defiantly contact the seller and ask what the companies policy is regarding Mal functioning cells.
    put all of the parts into a ziploc bag and seal if in order to preserve the evidence as much as possible.

    It is important to get to the bottom if this in order to prevent this from happening and possibly injuring somebody.
    You were lucky.
    Yaesumofo
    Hello Yaesumofo,
    Yes the Aleph was on when the explosion occurred.
    For sure the cells were installed in the right direction and facing toward the head since the Aleph was illuminated.
    These were battery station CR123 A's, primary cells.
    I have all the parts in a good snap lid storage container
    I plan on calling Battery Station tomorrow and seeing what they have to say. I have thrown away my remaining stock of 10 battery's, I don't want them in the house!
    I feel incredibly lucky not to have been injured and I'd like nothing better than to get to the bottom of this for sure.
    Thanks for your concern,
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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barefootone View Post
    I was using Battery Station's CR123A's in the Aleph.
    I have only been on this forum for 2 months. Reading through people's posts, I noticed:

    How come CR123's get all the exploding battery news? Any exploding AA's? How about other battery sizes/types?

    Are CR123's just bad?
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    If you inhaled any fumes or handled debris with your bare hands, seek medical attention promptly for potential hydrofluoric acid exposure. Symptoms are not immediately apparent but do require treatment.

    Battery Station ought to pay for a replacement Aleph. This is around the fourth BS cell explosion reported on CPF; by now the idea of legal liability should be rather central in their minds.

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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Quote Originally Posted by ltiu View Post
    I have only been on this forum for 2 months. Reading through people's posts, I noticed:

    How come CR123's get all the exploding battery news? Any exploding AA's? How about other battery sizes/types?

    Are CR123's just bad?
    no 123's arent bad jsut some are cheaper made than others those cause the issues. cheap lithium aa's could have the same results.
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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Did the rubber at the tailcap also explode?
    And was the lens shattered or did the bezel give way?

    Glad you're ok. Scary. Very Scary.

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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    The most important thing is how great it is that you were not hurt. I'm glad you saved the parts and took the photos to preserve it for others to learn from.

    Thank you for sharing this with all of us.

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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Could the mods make a link about this event in the battery section? Many users rarely read the LED section, and this is important enough for people asking about Lithium Ion safety to learn from his experience...as in this current topic where this type of event has recently been downplayed, despite lightning having struck a number of CPF members already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxLuthor View Post
    Many users rarely read the LED section, and this is important enough for people asking about Lithium Ion safety to learn from his experience...
    Safety issues for lithium ion are different from those for lithium primaries.

    If anything, lithium ions look to be safer then lithium primaries. Primary cells have gone off pretty much at random while lithium ion cells must be abused first, and even then are only dangerous when charging.

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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    I am very glad you were not hurt, and I hope you won't mind a few questions, which might just help with this:
    1. Did you buy both the cells at the same time and from the same outlet?
    2. Did you install both cells in the light at the same time?
    3. Are you 100% sure both cells were fresh, and that neither of them had been used before, even for a short while?
    4. How long had the cells been running in the light when this happened?

    I suggest before someone takes away the trash, you should rescue the other 10 cells from the dumpster and store them somewhere in a cool dry place but safely away from your house. They may be required for investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiessling View Post
    Did the rubber at the tailcap also explode?
    And was the lens shattered or did the bezel give way?

    Glad you're ok. Scary. Very Scary.

    bernie

    Bernie,
    It's nice to hear from you.
    The rubber at the tail cap did not explode it stayed intact.
    The lens shattered and the metal internal ring that holds the lens in stayed intact.
    Yes it was very scary, it shook me up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DM51 View Post
    I am very glad you were not hurt, and I hope you won't mind a few questions, which might just help with this:
    1. Did you buy both the cells at the same time and from the same outlet?
    2. Did you install both cells in the light at the same time?
    3. Are you 100% sure both cells were fresh, and that neither of them had been used before, even for a short while?
    4. How long had the cells been running in the light when this happened?

    I suggest before someone takes away the trash, you should rescue the other 10 cells from the dumpster and store them somewhere in a cool dry place but safely away from your house. They may be required for investigation.
    DM51,
    Thanks for the concern
    1. The Battery station CR123's were bought directly from the battery all at the same time.
    2. Both the cells were installed in the light at the same time.
    3. Both the cells were fresh or as fresh as they could have been when I received them. The two cells had never been used before. I installed them as brand new cells for the first time.
    4. The light had been running for 5 to 10 minutes at the most.
    I actually did retrieve the 10 cells that I threw away for the same reason you stated. I plan on calling the battery station tomorrow and see what their position is with this very dangerous issue.
    Thanks for the input,
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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Oh man!! Glad you weren't near the light at that time. Seems like BS batteries are really BS. There have been many cases of exploding batteries here in recent times, all CR123as. Were there any Surefire battery cases?

    Everytime I read a thread like this, I really worry about all the flashaholics here who EDC a light so close to them most of the time. I use only rechargeables in all my lights but recently got 6 x Surefire CR123as with my M6, which sit in the MB-20 battery magazine. I'm treating them as a potential timebomb and keeping them separate from my other batteries.

    Can't imagine 6 batteries catching fire at the same time; that will be really bad news.

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    LEDcandle,
    Thanks for the reply.
    I have not heard of any SureFires 123's exploding, but I have read that the Battery Stations have exploded as I now know.
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    Hi Jeff,
    Most important you and no one else was hurt!! I am pretty certain Wayne and Cindy have the components needed to get the light back together and I would be happy to cover the expense of getting you what you need to accomplish this. If you can E-mail me a list of what you need I will forward it to Wayne and Cindy.

    Newbie did those tests back a ways and was able to get some events to occur with the batteries used here and the 5W boost converter, if I recall correctly.

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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    mmm...not pointing any fingers, but theres been too much cases involving batterystations, I think they need to reverify their QC standards and maybe add a new rule.

    Barefootone, were the vented cells new before you turned on the aleph or were they used previously?

    Don, are you referring to this thread from NewBie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barefootone View Post
    LEDcandle,
    Thanks for the reply.
    I have not heard of any SureFires 123's exploding, but I have read that the Battery Stations have exploded as I now know.
    Jeff
    theres two ancient threads containing surefire cell incidents, but at least 4 on batterystations
    one was the first primary lithium cell scare of CPF I know of [the one with the battery shooting through a cabinet door and the Pelican M6 incident] and the other was an incident involving a single cell venting in a surefire M6 carriage

    theres at least one known case of cyclops cells and titanium cells....see the provided NewBie link
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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    Glad no one was hurt. Before this I didn't realise something like this could happen. I could not imagine if something like this happened to someone you love, such as kids or wife (they frequently handle/use them all the time).

    Was it due to an internal short circuit or heat induced failure ?
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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    time to get rid of my BS.



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    Default Re: My Aleph 1 Exploded and cought on fire.

    As far as I know they are safe(ish) in single cell lights.

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