POLL :: What to do with Iraq?

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[polltitle=What to do with Iraq?]
[polloption=Invade.]
[polloption=Disarm Peacefully.]
[polloption=Undecided/Unknown]
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Typical.

No choice of a measured, controlled action. We only get to, (in essence), pick between destroying the country totally or letting them continue as they have been for 15 years. Only a few hotheads on one side are suggesting the former and only dreamers believe the latter will work.

I'm not playing this lose-lose game.

I wanted to make it a simple vote, yes or no...if i would have put too many choices in there than people would say i'm trying to lead the answer one way or another, or they would hem and haw over the finer points...yes or no, it really is as simple as that.

(and peaceful way of disarming does not equal let them continue as they have for 15(?...more than 15 i would think) years, just as 'bombing back to the stone ages' doesn't neccessarily mean destroy the whole country, but a generically understood phrase meaning to attack them in force)

Yeah, I guess it has been longer than 15 years. 25 or so years ago Saddam began his slaughter of millions of Iranians.... I was only counting the 15 or so years ago since he declared his enmity against the rest of the world.

Sorry for not being specific.

In accordance with the Bible, I believe there will be a war.

unfortunatly, without the poll system i think discussion is moot =P. i was hoping for anonymous voting where people could indicate thei feelings without fear of reprisals or anything like that, but i guess it will not work.

i too think there will be war, but not because of the bible...this war was a certainty for a LONG time, it's been in the works for at least a year and it was absolutely going to happen from the get-go. people i talk to in the armed forces have been preparing specifically for this war for awhile now. and, besides, the US is already signing away billion dollar contracts to rebuild Iraq after we bomb the crap out of it. isn't (corporate) america great?

Just add one more choice:

:: Use military force to achieve a regime change with as little destruction of non-combatants and infrastructure as possile.

I'd vote then.

personally i read that as choice #1. you make it sound like we're simply washing the dishes or putting out the trash. if all we wanted was simply a regime change then wouldn't a bunch of special ops working for the next few months be able to remove saddam? or perhaps publically funding a cou (which ol' bush sr. could have done had he the balls) or offering a 10 billion dollar reward for his head (which would still be 1/100th of the cost of this war)?

we currently have over 150,000 troops over there as well as over half of our navy. alot of hardware for a regeme change in a country that we have been bombing steadily for the past 10 years (yes, the brits and US still send bombing raids into Iraq about three times a week according to their people)

I thought it was supposed to cost 200 billion$ -- only half as much as the government has spent trying to keep me from smoking pot. what a bargain! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohgeez.gif

i've heard up to a trillion with all the rebuilding and aide afterwards...the 200 billion is just for the bombs and troops. we'll have to be invloved in the country for YEARS afterwards in order to set up our *cough* puppet *cough* governement correctly.

and don't even get me started on the drug war! freakin moronic government thinks it knows what everyone should and should not do. if i want to shoot up heroine directly into my eye, why should they care? and manditory seat belts, and taxing every freakin thing they can find from both ends, and flouridation of the drinking water, that's the worst.

I agree with Onyx. There will be war. Period. It is not right, but it is an inescapable fact that there has been war ever since cain killed able, and there will be war untill Christ returns.

If it's not done correctly, an US-occupied Iraq may become the next Iran. With both Iraq and Iran controlled by Muslim fundamentalists, the world could be a lot worse.

I can't believe this! $200 Billion - $1 Trillion!! This guy has never attacked the US, in fact was a US enemy of my enemy is my friend, and has never stated he would attack our country.

Our President and Tony Blair are really the only ones in the world who think its worth it to force him to disarm. If he is such a threat, his neighbors are wealthy enough to foot the bill if they want him out. Let the House of Saud pay with their oil money, otherwise don't even think of using my tax dollars for this crap. My company is laying off people by the thousands because our citizens won't spend money here at home, where is the justification on spending $1 Trillion on Iraq?!

Screw the UN resolutions, and send that cesspool packing from US soil. Its an organization based upon socialism run by dictators. The fact that we are even looking to the UN to justify this act of imperialism is a sorry statement of how sad things are.

And what makes anybody think that anyone but the Israelis in the Middle East wants Democracy?! I know I don't even want it here!

Osama Bin Laden is the only one who has declared war on this country. My its funny how quick we forget that. I think is quite amusing that we are too inept to find Osama, so now we don't even hear about him anymore. God save King George W.

Well, first of all, it is against US law to assasinate the leader of a nation, even if that nation is a declared enemy of the US.

If you liberals would just get that little law repealed, it would indeed make things cheaper and easier. Bush 41 tried to do it but the Democraptic Majority Congress at the time wouldn't go for it, because the UN said "no way" when it was brought up..... (They were afraid that if they got to be "supreme leader", someone would do it to them.)

Look, this war is going to suck, but if we don't follow through we will have less respect worldwide than we did under carter and be a bigger laughing-stock than we were under BJ clinton. I'd rather be feared by the islamofascists and North Koreans and ChiComs than loved by France, Germany and Martin Sheen and barbra streisand.

By being seen as weak and indecisive we open ourselves to further terrorism and blackmail by North Korea.

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Silviron said:
Well, first of all, it is against US law to assasinate the leader of a nation, even if that nation is a declared enemy of the US.

If you liberals would just get that little law repealed, it would indeed make things cheaper and easier. Bush 41 tried to do it but the Democraptic Majority Congress at the time wouldn't go for it, because the UN said "no way" when it was brought up..... (They were afraid that if they got to be "supreme leader", someone would do it to them.)

Look, this war is going to suck, but if we don't follow through we will have less respect worldwide than we did under carter and be a bigger laughing-stock than we were under BJ clinton. I'd rather be feared by the islamofascists and North Koreans and ChiComs than loved by France, Germany and Martin Sheen and barbra streisand.

By being seen as weak and indecisive we open ourselves to further terrorism and blackmail by North Korea.

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The main restriction dates to the mid-1970s, when Gerald Ford banned the practice by signing Executive Order 11905. He did so after congressional hearings uncovered several CIA-sponsored assassination plots against foreign leaders. Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan broadened the ban to include anyone working for the U.S. government. Jimmy was pretty liberal but I don't think anyone has ever described Ford and Reagan as liberal before now.

Perhaps the supporters would like to have some business cards made up. They could sign them and have them made up by the thousands for our men to use everytime they finish a job that may take them within the proximity of the corpse, and just sort of flick it down there by them. Of couse modern technology permits the killing from thousands of feet in the air, or miles away. So, there may not be as many opportunities to view their handiwork.

Anyway, here's a sample template.

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This: ?Family ?Father ?Mother ?Child

Was killed in ___________________________________'s honor,
as a proud supporter and sponser of George Bush, President of
the United States.


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papasan said:
and don't even get me started on the drug war! freakin moronic government thinks it knows what everyone should and should not do. if i want to shoot up heroine directly into my eye, why should they care?
Answer: Because people that are irresponsible and stupid enough to shoot heroin into their eye, arm, toe or whatever are not likely to have health ins. and we get to pay their medical bills. That same "it's my body" crowd will steal, rape murder and more to get their fix

and manditory seat belts
Answer: same as above, first sentence

and taxing every freakin thing they can find from both ends, and flouridation of the drinking water, that's the worst.
I agree with the last two, you must be an independent!

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Gun Nut said:
This guy has never attacked the US, in fact was a US enemy of my enemy is my friend, and has never stated he would attack our country.
Another one of the "die first and ask questions later crowd." If he did not have plans for the U.S. don't you think he would abide by the resolutions and get back his free trade? He is willing to go to war to keep his chemical weapons, doesn't that tell you anything? I agree with you, the U.N.is worthless but, until we get smart enough to leave we should at least enforce the resolutions that we endorsed.

And what makes anybody think that anyone but the Israelis in the Middle East wants Democracy?! I know I don't even want it here!
I suspect many that aren't willing to stand up for freedom, democracy and protecting our country share your beliefs.

Osama Bin Laden is the only one who has declared war on this country. My its funny how quick we forget that.
I don't find it funny at all. Many of the attacks on America and it's interest over the last 20+ years were by groups that haven't declared war on America.

We need to go ahead and get this over with now. Chaos has become the democrats platform, it must be ignored. The democrats will jump up and down until it's obvious we have won then start patting themselves on the back for stopping Saddam, we saw this behavior in 91 and we will see it again. I believe most of the fighting will be over in 60-90 days. I am hoping the only casualties are Saddam, his inner circle and the human shields from the U.S. In my opinion any American acting as a human shield for Iraq is a traitor and should be dealt with as such. Unfortunately we are bound to lose some good men and woman during the battle but the saber rattling has grown ineffective, it's time for action. I am still hoping Saddam heads for the hills and takes his crew with him but I now believe that's a pipe dream. I pray for our leaders, troops and civilians in Iraq, Gods Speed.

War is horrible and expensive but sometimes lack of action can cost even more. As Gun Nut said in reference to the U.N "send that cesspool packing from US soil", I whole heartedly agree.

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....Jimmy was pretty liberal but I don't think anyone has ever described Ford and Reagan as liberal before now.


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Read my whole post... I didn't say that a liberal started it, I said that the democraptic majority blocked it at the behest of the UN when Bush 41 tried to have it rescinded in '91.

And most of the people that I have heard saying that we should just send a hitman after Saddam were of the liberal persuasion.

I am well aware of it's origins due to what and where I was at the time.

Look, I have to admit that I have mixed feelings about the "rights and wrongs" this whole d@m# situation, but I also have a much better grasp of what will happen to us if we DON'T follow through.

Empath,
That post is low, even for you. How about all that were murdered by the hands of terrorism, or Iraqi's murdered by Saddam, do you "flick" cards on them? Bad, very bad.

D.D., are you blind to the terror and cruelty of war? You talk of war as if it's just another item of political discussion. If you can't imagine the carnage, and you find the consideration of it to be low , before nodding your okay, then I doubt that you and I can discuss the matter as moral peers.