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    Default 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    As featured on LifeHacker:

    http://lifehacker.com/software/how-t...ery-301237.php

    I'd be interested if this were true across all brands of 6-volts, as I'm sure some assemble them differently. I'd also like to know the voltage/capacity of these things. If they're comparable to your average Duracell Alkaline, then I'm in!
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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Most 6 volt lantern batteries have 4 F cells inside. This looks fishy to me also, since the 32 batteries would be soldered together, not just laying in there loose. One other thing, the lantern battery says "Heavy Duty" on the side, which means that is a low grade of carbon zinc battery. That is worse than "Super Heavy Duty" which is a better carbon zinc, or even cheap alkaline batteries, which are this cheap when bought in bulk.

    Edit: Just looked, the video is from the site gagfilms.com, which confirms my suspicions. It's totally bogus, you get 4 F cells, not 32 AA.
    Last edited by Marduke; 09-19-2007 at 10:35 AM.

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    well, just for poops and giggles i'm going to buy a a lantern batt today and see what happens when i gut it. I can think of plenty of LED lights i got that would run a long time on cheap AA's
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    Yea but can't you buy like 12 heavy duty cells for a buck at Wal Mart?
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    i dont shop at walmart
    MY EDC: JETBEAM M1X - it replaced 8 other lights.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushman5 View Post
    well, just for poops and giggles i'm going to buy a a lantern batt today and see what happens when i gut it. I can think of plenty of LED lights i got that would run a long time on cheap AA's
    You'll get 4 F cells. Or possibly 4 D cells and some spacer material.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    6V batteries most likely use F cells
    packaged D cells are fat and will protrude out the sides...so you might find two pairs of naked Ds sandwiched inside

    I'm not sure how does 32 AA sized batteries fit inside a casing of that sort...I've extracted many many F cells from "heavy duty" battery packs...theres not really that much room in one

    second, carbon zinc has really really low capacity and a very very high possibility of leaking, its cheap in design for the manufacturers to include in their gadgets to power them for the first minute of your use.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Some nine Volt batteries contain AAAA not AAA.
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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Some nine Volt batteries contain AAAA not AAA.
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    some?
    9Vs don't use AAA, it has always been "snout-less" AAAAs...anyone who tried using 9V AAAAs for their styluses know its slightly shorter to compensate for the contacts underneath in assembly
    for pointing that out

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Quote Originally Posted by Illum_the_nation View Post
    some?
    9Vs don't use AAA, it has always been "snout-less" AAAAs...anyone who tried using 9V AAAAs for their styluses know its slightly shorter to compensate for the contacts underneath in assembly
    for pointing that out
    I didn't say some nine Volt batteries use AAA what I meant was some use AAAA other use a flat stack of cells.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    A 9 volt hack:

    http://wewin.com...9-volt-battery-hacked

    A 12 volt hack; you have to copy and paste the URL:

    http://www.instructables.com/id/12-Volt-Battery-Hack!-You'll-be-Surprised.../
    Last edited by Bones; 09-19-2007 at 06:25 PM.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    even wikipedia mentions the aaaa fact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAAA_battery

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    I didn't say some nine Volt batteries use AAA what I meant was some use AAAA other use a flat stack of cells.
    I have yet to see the ones with stacked cells
    they aren't universal button cells are they?

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Quote Originally Posted by Illum_the_nation View Post
    I have yet to see the ones with stacked cells
    they aren't universal button cells are they?
    In my experience the more expensive 9v batteries have AAAAs, while the cheaper ones have square (not button) cells.
    On this topic: are the single flat cells any use? What's their capacity, and what are they called?

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    are the single flat cells any use?
    No - no metal contacts; you can't connect to them.

    What's their capacity?
    About 100mAh-ish (zinc-carbon)

    what are they called?
    F22

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    How can they possibly have no metal contacts? How do they pass the energy to the other cells in series and to the battery terminals?

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    probably pressed to contact when they stacked them and then crimped the tops down

    I'm going to take apart one of the "flower power" heavy duty 9Vs pak-lites come with and see for myself...unfortunately my cameras currently on vacation with someone else

    EDIT: actually I did a search on it....theres a "9V compatible" cell consisting of 6 F22s stacked, looked nothing like a 9V


    EDIT: lctorana, what bothers me is that its slightly shorter and fatter to say, duracell

    for pointing that out Fenris
    Last edited by Illum; 09-21-2007 at 08:46 AM.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Erm - mean to say you've NEVER dismantled a zinc-carbon 9v (or 15 or 22.5 or 45 or 67.5 or 90v) battery?

    They are graphite-y carbon on one side, and something sooty and black on the other. And waxed cardboard or plastic on the sides. Some brands do have a metal plate on one side of each cell, but not all.

    Trust me - it's both messy and pointless.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Your edit puzzles me - that looks EXACTLY like a 9v battery to me - it's certainly what I was talking about - what were you expecting?

    Eveready 216 / English PP3.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Quote Originally Posted by lctorana View Post
    Your edit puzzles me - that looks EXACTLY like a 9v battery to me - it's certainly what I was talking about - what were you expecting?

    Eveready 216 / English PP3.

    That battery looks shorter and a little fatter than a regular 9v. To me anyway.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Ahhhh...

    Happens when you get to my age.

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    Heavy duty = 4 x F
    Alkaline Energizer = 4 x F
    Most other 6v lantern = 4 x D

    Go to the store. Feel the weight on Energizer vs other. Energizer weighs noticeably more thanks to Fs being used instead of Ds

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushman5 View Post
    well, just for poops and giggles i'm going to buy a a lantern batt today and see what happens when i gut it. I can think of plenty of LED lights i got that would run a long time on cheap AA's
    I just opened a Ray-o-Vac 6 volt battery and it contained only 4 non-standard 1.5 volt cells.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    I heard about this the other day at work and it is the Wal-Mart brand "only"! If the whole thing is a joke, I don't know.
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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Quote Originally Posted by wptski View Post
    I heard about this the other day at work and it is the Wal-Mart brand "only"! If the whole thing is a joke, I don't know.
    its starting to sound like Wallys selling cheap AAs in a container that looks like a 6V lantern battery.

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    I don't think it's a joke. It's certainly not worth it though. The AAs in that battery are going to be some crappy carbon zinc, like the kind that come with some cheap electronics. They're almost useless, but if you really want a lot of cheap batteries instead of a few good ones, you can find bulk packs of them extremely cheap anyway.

    I really don't see the practicality of this, the author makes it look like this is some kind of magic money-saving technique, but it's not. I use Titanium NiMH cells, and they're fairly expensive, but still a heck of a lot cheaper in the long run than taking apart alkaline lantern batteries.

    Now for a more interesting "hack"...somebody should take apart a lantern battery, replace the cells with either high power, or 2700mAh cells, and put it back together to create a "Super Mega Ultra Heavy Duty" lantern battery!

    ..."ray-o-vac lantern" hotwire anybody?
    Last edited by electromage; 09-21-2007 at 10:04 AM.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    The 9V pictures above are probably distorted. The top picture appears to be squashed top-to-bottom resulting in the unusual look of the battery.

    Rayovac 9V (at least when I dissected one several years ago) consists of flat cells encased in plastic. We had a thread going a long time ago where a bunch of us dissected 9V's looking for the brands that had AAAA for running the Stylus.

    Can't find the thread now, but if you do a search for AAAA you can find several threads about this topic.
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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    My understanding about 216/PP3 style 9v batteries is:

    All zinc-carbon ones, from all manufacturers, whether standard-duty or heavy-duty, use F22 flat tablet cells.

    All alkaline ones use AAAA cells.

    (I have no idea what's inside a zinc-chloride/extra-heavy-duty one - probably F22, but I'm not calling it)

    I know of no exceptions to the above rule. It's as chalk & cheese as you can get.

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    For vintage radio reasons, I have recently dismantled some NiMH ones, and found seven of what I will call AAAAA cells!

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Quote Originally Posted by lctorana View Post
    My understanding about 216/PP3 style 9v batteries is:

    All alkaline ones use AAAA cells.

    Not true. I have personally disassembled duracells, ray-o-vacs, and off-branch alkalines all which were made of the flat square cells.

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    Default Re: 32 AA size batteries from one 6-volt Lantern Battery

    Ahhhh...

    Alkaline F22s!

    Thanks!

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