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    This thread is a quick comparison of the Turbo modes of various Fenix L2D lights (Cree P4, Q2, Q5 and Rebel R80 and R100) in various configurations (L2D, L1D, P2D). For more detailed runtimes of lower modes, please see my Fenix Rebel vs Cree: L1D/L1T/P2D OUTPUT, RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS! thread.

    The contenders:

    From left to right: Standard Cree P4, Rebel R100 Premium, Cree Q5 Premium (not shown is Q2 Special Edition, which looks like the P4 but with an OP reflector, and the LxTv2.0 Rebel R80, which looks like the R100 head). The P4, Q2, and R80 were bought from fenix-store.com, and the R100 and Q5 were bought from fenix-tactical.com.



    Beamshots:

    On Turbo, with 2x Duracell 2650 NimH in L2D body




    Note that my camera seems to be accentuating the tint differences - it doesn't look quite so noticeable in real life. However, the P4 does have a cool blue-purple tint, the R100 has a warm yellow, and the Q5 is the whitest of the three. Although the overall output doesn't look all that different, this is probably just due to the cooler P4 tint looking brighter than it actually is, and the warmer R100 looking dimmer.

    Method: All my output numbers are relative for my home-made light box setup, a la Quickbeam's FR.com method. My relative overall output numbers are typically similar to his, although generally a little lower. You can directly compare all my review graphs - i.e. an output value of "10" in one graph is the same as "10" in another.

    Throw values are the square-root of lux measurements taken at 1m using a light meter.

    Summary Chart for Turbo mode with 2650mAh NiMH in LxD, or AW Protected 3.7V RCR in P2D

    Note that these are initial output values only - some lights decay faster than others before reaching a "steady-state" regulated value. See the runtime graphs below for more detailed information.



    For comparison purposes, here are the results of a "ceiling-bounce" test in a small windowless room, with my light meter on the floor near the base of the light (which is shining upward in candle-mode), in a L2D body on NiMH:

    Rebel R80: 5.6 lux
    Rebel R100: 5.8 lux
    Cree P4: 4.9 lux
    Cree Q2: 5.5 lux
    Cree Q5: 7.1 lux

    As you can see the Q5 has a noticeable jump in output compared to the others - in L2D format. This effect is less pronounced in P2D or L1D format.

    Runtimes:

    All runtimes done in my lightbox under a cooling fan, with the identified batteries listed below.

    Turbo mode in L2D format (2x NiMH Duracell 2650mAh)


    Turbo mode in P2D format (1x AW RCR Protected 3.7V 750mAh)


    Turbo mode in L1D format (1x NiMH Duracell 2650mAh)


    For more detailed runtimes of the L1D in lower modes on alkaline for all heads, please see my Fenix Rebel vs Cree: L1D/L1T/P2D OUTPUT, RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS! thread.

    Conclusion:
    • The new Cree Q5 is definitely the output winner in 2AA and 1CR123 formats, although the Rebel models typically have longer runtimes (especially in lower output modes).
    • On 1AA, the results aren't quite so clear cut, although the same general output/runtime relationship holds. The Q5 has the lowest runtime on 1AA (consistent with the presumably higher Vf of Q5 emitters).
    • The various heads show roughly equivalent maximum output in 2AA or 1RCR modes. In my sample runs, the Cree models tended to be just slightly brighter on 2AA, whereas and my Rebel R100 was slightly brighter on RCR. This could simply be natural variation in the runs, but it tends to accentuate the difference on the 2AA runtime graph compared to the RCR test.
    • The texture OP reflector on the Q2/Q5 Cree versions does help smooth out the rings in the beam, but this effect seems less agressive on my Q5 sample (either the OP is less agressive, or perhaps the emitter is not quite at the same height?).
    • The Rebel heads give a wider spillbeam than the Cree heads, with no evidence of rings.
    • Subjectively, the Rebel heads appear to produce better color rendition outdoors at night.
    • Frankly, I don't see how you'd go wrong with any of these lights!


    To see detailed runtimes between the heads in low-med-hi modes (on 1AA only), please see my Fenix Rebel vs Cree: L1D/L1T/P2D OUTPUT, RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS! thread. Sorry, but I don't intend to recreate all those alkaline runs on L2D.

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    Thank you again for your contributions to this community selfbuilt. Those graphs are GREAT.

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    Yes selfbuilt

    thanks for the updates

    i think many of us which did not buy the L2DCE Q5 probably will after your results

    if you are an 1x AA man than the rebel100 is the better choice
    on 2x AA it is the Q5

    i noticed that fenix-store does not list the rebel100 anymore so for those people who are still after a rebel100 they better start hunting for one.

    for myself i am happy with my Q5 more light at the cost of runtime is not an issue for me as long as the trade off is not that big(like with the Q5)

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    Nice indeed. A true comparison of the different generations of L2D with NUMBERs!!
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    You are amazing Selfbuilt! THanks so much for the detailed info!

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    Thanks for support guys!

    I must say, I was personally surprised to see how much better the Q5 Cree did on 2AA format. Been testing the 1AA format for so long, hadn't really kept a close eye on this format.

    Quote Originally Posted by gravtyz View Post
    i noticed that fenix-store does not list the rebel100 anymore so for those people who are still after a rebel100 they better start hunting for one.
    From what I remember hearing, the relative scarcity of R100 premium emitters is one of the reasons why Fenix released the Q5 Cree. In support of that conclusion, you'll note this is the first Cree version to use the new Rebel exterior head styling. Personally, I rather like the Rebel beam profile and color rendition, but this Q5 is certainly no slouch!

    One thing I didn't mention in the review - although David from fenix-store.com said Fenix engineer's have worked to minize the high output "flash" on low mode, my Q5 still has a very pronounced one. My Q5 was obtained from fenixtactical.com, but I would imagine they have a similar build level. Probably just luck of the draw for the time being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Thanks for support guys!

    One thing I didn't mention in the review - although David from fenix-store.com said Fenix engineer's have worked to minize the high output "flash" on low mode, my Q5 still has a very pronounced one. My Q5 was obtained from fenixtactical.com, but I would imagine they have a similar build level. Probably just luck of the draw for the time being.

    Cheers!
    mine has the same thing
    i have read some threads that this has been in there from day one so obviously they did not fix it.

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    Looking at the 2xAA relative output of the rebel80, rebel100, and Q2; I wonder if you got one of the rumored rebel90s instead of a rebel80. There just doesn't seem to be the proportional output difference between the r80 and r100 compared to the chartbusting Q5. Any way you look at it, it seems you got an exceptional Q5 if Fenix's ratings are accurate at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NA8 View Post
    Looking at the 2xAA relative output of the rebel80, rebel100, and Q2; I wonder if you got one of the rumored rebel90s instead of a rebel80. There just doesn't seem to be the proportional output difference between the r80 and r100 compared to the chartbusting Q5. Any way you look at it, it seems you got an exceptional Q5 if Fenix's ratings are accurate at all.

    my Q5 performs about the same(if i compare runtimes) so i do not think it is exeptional

    as for specs
    The Q5 is the only one which consumes more power than the fenix spec state

    runtime on high accoording to fenix on high is 4 hours (real runtime is more than 4 hours 4:24)

    runtime on turbo accoording to fenix 2.4 hours(real runtime is about 2 hours)

    so on turbo this baby really performs but also consumes a bit more power that the previous Q2 and P4

    i like the tradeoff, a lot more output and only minor loss of time

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    Quote Originally Posted by NA8 View Post
    Looking at the 2xAA relative output of the rebel80, rebel100, and Q2; I wonder if you got one of the rumored rebel90s instead of a rebel80. There just doesn't seem to be the proportional output difference between the r80 and r100 compared to the chartbusting Q5. Any way you look at it, it seems you got an exceptional Q5 if Fenix's ratings are accurate at all.
    I suspect you are right there NA8, there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between my Rebels in 2AA mode (it was more noticeable on 1AA). Could be a R90 instead of an R80 ... hard to know.

    My Q5 does indeed seem to be a good one, as the output is a bit higher on 2AA than I would have expected. Of course, there's only so much you can tell from n=1 for each of the lights, but the relative relationships make sense (i.e. within flux bin range). Especially on the RCR graphs, where things fall out roughly where I would expect for a middle-of-the-range output based on identified flux bin.

    Quote Originally Posted by gravtyz View Post
    mine has the same thing
    i have read some threads that this has been in there from day one so obviously they did not fix it.
    Yes, but it is variable. My R100 Premium is certainly less noticeable than the others. I don't doubt Fenix is working to fix the problem, but they certainly haven't yet on my Q5 sample.
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    Really nice summary Selfbuilt!

    I must have got one of the last L2D-RB100 from fenix-store, as I just got it last week, but I had bought it as a gift and I didn't have time to play with it very much before I packaged it up with some other lights. I think I'll get another to play with before they're all gone.

    I like the Rebel LED. I wonder if some bigger company bought put in a huge order and that is why supplied dried up for the smaller guys. Maybe a flashlight company, or maybe because of the tint they are going into home lighting products.
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    @StandardBattery: no your RB100 is not the last

    did not realized that RB100 is rare, i just got my L2D-RB 100 yesterday must be really lucky then.

    I noticed from your result that rebel L2D has slightly better throw and runtime compared to Q5 probably because of the higher vF of Q5.

    Really happy with my L2D-RB100 especially the warm colour of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rizky_p View Post
    @StandardBattery: no your RB100 is not the last

    did not realized that RB100 is rare, i just got my L2D-RB 100 yesterday must be really lucky then.
    Did you get it from Fenix-store?? They are not listing it anymore, other dealers still have some available.

    I also picked up one for myself, when it was clear that they may not be available much longer. I debated for a little while, since the next bin might be available soon and the RB100 will be old news. I have a feeling though that lumileds has got other applications for the leds, and they may not be so easy to find in flashlights from the larger manufacturers. Either way it's a great light, and I will try it with eneloops as I'm not using any other type of NiMh at the moment. Lithium/Lithium-Ion has just too many advantages. Of course I can always use regular Alkalines, just stay away from Turbo too often.

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    Great review sir! I have all the L2D variations except the Q2 and the Q5. I think I'll skip the Q2 and just go for the Q5 based on these results.

    Just a question about the ceiling bounce test, how high is your ceiling? Not that it matters since they all come from the same reference point but I'm just curious.

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    Today I've made runtime test of L2D Q5 on turbo and I'm very surprised. I measured 2:25 on full brightness. So I've made a second test with another pair of batteries and the result is 2:20. Both tests done with sanyo 2700mAh.
    It looks like not all Q5s have high Vf :-D

    Unfortunately, this Fenix is not mine, it is only borrowed from our local Fenix dealer (kronium.cz).

    beamshots from the second test:

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirik_cz View Post
    Today I've made runtime test of L2D Q5 on turbo and I'm very surprised. I measured 2:25 on full brightness. So I've made a second test with another pair of batteries and the result is 2:20. Both tests done with sanyo 2700mAh.
    It looks like not all Q5s have high Vf :-D

    Unfortunately, this Fenix is not mine, it is only borrowed from our local Fenix dealer (kronium.cz).

    beamshots from the second test:
    can you do the same with 1x AA

    i tested this and got 1:50
    current with 1xAA is 1.4 amps
    2500/1400=1.8 hours is 1:48 minutes

    current on turbo with 2x AA ia 1.9 amps
    it should last 2500/1900*2=2.6 hours is 2 hours 36 minutes which is in line with the result you got.


    i do not know if selfbuilt really tested it on 2x AA but i expect he did

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravtyz View Post
    can you do the same with 1x AA

    i tested this and got 1:50
    current with 1xAA is 1.4 amps
    2500/1400=1.8 hours is 1:48 minutes

    current on turbo with 2x AA ia 1.9 amps
    it should last 2500/1900*2=2.6 hours is 2 hours 36 minutes which is in line with the result you got.


    i do not know if selfbuilt really tested it on 2x AA but i expect he did
    I don't have L1D body now.

    Your calculation is not correct, batteries in L2D are in series connection so only voltage is double but capacity remains the same.

    I measured current on turbo and got 1,5A. But I think it is not valid number (also your 1,9A). Here on CPF I have read that you can't measure current on this kind of electronics with common multimeter, because you will get faulty numbers.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D Q5 vs R100, R80, Q2, P4 Comparison Review: RUNTIMES+

    i just did another reading

    this time with 2x AA in turbo i got indeed 1.4 amps
    i apparently hooked up my amp meter wrong(it has a 20 amp setting)

    i found another thing

    while i was doing some reading i did not get very good contact with the back of the tube. sometimes it worked sometimes it did not
    it turned out that the back of the tube also looked like it was partly anodized.

    i removed some of it and i got way better contact as well as more light(at least i think

    so on turbo it is using the same amps as
    with 1xAA but uses double the voltage(thus higher output)

    so new calculation should be 2500/1400=1.8 hours as in 1:48

    sorry, i was mislead by the wrong amp

    so if somebody else is getting 2:20 hours that is nice but then i think his output is not as much as we are getting.

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    I was really surprised by such a long runtime, but I have to say that L2D Q5 is absolutely as bright as L2D Rebel (my runtime 2:10).

    here are some beamshots:

    l2d Q5

    l2D rebel 0100

    p3d q5

    and all together = 570 lumens

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    Nice pictures!

    One can see, that the Q5 has a little more output than the Rebel, but I like the warm tint of the rebel.
    I just upgraded my L1D with a Q5 WH.
    I cant wait for my L2D R100 to arrive, then I can swap the heads

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Floppy View Post
    Just a question about the ceiling bounce test, how high is your ceiling? Not that it matters since they all come from the same reference point but I'm just curious.
    About 9 feet. It's "powder room" bathroom, so fairly small - just a toilet and vanity sink).

    Quote Originally Posted by gravtyz View Post
    i do not know if selfbuilt really tested it on 2x AA but i expect he did
    Indeed I did. In fairness though, my Duracell 2650mAh NiMHs are getting rather old, and I know are down to <2600mAh capacity (brand new, my Maya charger reported >2700mAh for all of them). But all the 2AA runtimes were done within a couple of days of each other, so the results are at least internally comparable.

    In general, I would expect more variation among Q4/Q5 lights, due to the more variable higher Vfs these emitters seem to be coming with. You may be lucky and snag a good one ... who knows?

    FYI, I personally no longer bother taking tailcap DMM readings, as I've noticed they aren't always the most accurate (even on my DMM's 10A port). This is often especially true on multi-level lights. If you have a lightmeter, you may notice that brightness is not always the same when the DMM is connecting the circuit. So the measurement is just not reliable - I prefer to trust the actual runtimes on known battery types.
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    Default Re: Fenix L2D Q5 vs R100, R80, Q2, P4 Comparison Review: RUNTIMES+

    i do not see that much difference between the Q5 and R100 except for the color.

    i know tailcap readings can be of some time but not by much

    i got 1.4 amps, you got 1.5 amps so it is save to say the consume almost the same amount of watts
    difference has to be in the batteries also.

    i used 2500mah and got 6 minutes more than selfbuilt who is using 2650

    the reason i got the amp reding wass wrong was like this

    on my dmm there are 4 contacts
    V(red)
    common(black)
    A(black)
    20A(black

    i hooked up the light between 20A and common(because the other setting has a max of 200ma)

    i got no reading at al(because the back of the tube was partly anodized)
    i thought i hooked it up wrong and connected it to 20A and A
    when i did this the light powered up and i got a reading of 1.9 amps

    yesterday i noticed that the connections were wrong and corrected it.

    FYI my DMM is one of high quality with a very low resistance(when on A)

    this differentiates my DMM from the ones you can buy from radioshack for $20 which are not accurate at al, especially on the voltage setting because then they need to be endless resistance.

    i am only using the DMM to spot any anomolies(like i did after i heared turbo should read 1.4-1.5 instead of 1.9)

    So selfbuilt is right. the only weay to have a 100% reading is to test it.
    most of us however do not have the time or are afraight to fry there leds

    maybee i will do a runtime also in my garage which is much cooller than my livingroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirik_cz View Post
    I was really surprised by such a long runtime, but I have to say that L2D Q5 is absolutely as bright as L2D Rebel (my runtime 2:10).

    here are some beamshots:

    l2d Q5

    l2D rebel 0100

    p3d q5

    and all together = 570 lumens
    Nice pics!... the warmth of the 2D rebel and the wider beam almost makes it look brighter to me! I tend to enjoy frequencies that render true color at night.

    The 2D Q5 looks brighter in its spill up front, but the rebel seems to carry the distance better.
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    Default Re: Fenix L2D Q5 vs R100, R80, Q2, P4 Comparison Review: RUNTIMES+

    Nice comparison pics. That Rebel is lookin' pretty damn good for an LED in terms of color rendition. I'm an incan guy at heart, but the efficiency and runtime of LEDs cannot be denied.

    Looks like the Rebel may be the stat of my LED migration.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D Q5 vs R100, R80, Q2, P4 Comparison Review: RUNTIMES+

    Call it greed, but I tend to agree with you, but I still ordered the Q5 since its available in the "Special Edition" versions which are even brighter yet for the amount of power used..... I doubt any of the "special edition" versions were used in any of these calculations and charts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by windstrings View Post
    Call it greed, but I tend to agree with you, but I still ordered the Q5 since its available in the "Special Edition" versions which are even brighter yet for the amount of power used..... I doubt any of the "special edition" versions were used in any of these calculations and charts.
    The Q5 and rebel100 ARE special edition versions

    normally you can only buy the rebel 80 version or the P4(maybee Q2) version.

    it means that qwhen you order a special editon you get the Q5 guaranteed
    if you order the normal version you either get the rebel80(if you order rebel) or the P4/Q2 verion, no guarantees on what you get.

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    Thanks for the clarification... maybe they need to update their website to remove the confusion... unless its only me thats confused!

    If you look at that page, you will see that only the Q5 has the *special edition* especially noted by their name... the 100's do not, but only to mention they are premium, which to me can be merely a name.

    Its true, they are all on the page labelled " *Limited/Premium Editions* ", but that does not imply that "limited" is the same as "premium".... to me it mean't that this page includes "limited" and "premium" editions....

    But even if it were interpreted to all mean the same, the real confusion is then they denote "Special" by some and not others.
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    Default Re: Fenix L2D Q5 vs R100, R80, Q2, P4 Comparison Review: RUNTIMES+

    Quote Originally Posted by windstrings View Post
    Thanks for the clarification... maybe they need to update their website to remove the confusion... unless its only me thats confused!

    If you look at that page, you will see that only the Q5 has the *special edition* especially noted by their name... the 100's do not, but only to mention they are premium, which to me can be merely a name.

    Its true, they are all on the page labelled " *Limited/Premium Editions* ", but that does not imply that "limited" is the same as "premium".... to me it mean't that this page includes "limited" and "premium" editions....

    But even if it were interpreted to all mean the same, the real confusion is then they denote "Special" by some and not others.
    i see your confusion

    the photo is that of the L2DCE rebel100
    this was the first premium L2DCE
    after that came the L2DCE Q5
    at the moment they can not deliver the rebel100 anymore but they are using the same photo for the Q5(it still says 175 lumens while it is 180)
    so yes it is not always clear what they mean butas a rule of thumb you can use this

    the limited/premium editions are most of the time lights with eithers special/better leds inside or a special body/color
    they use premium to desginate a high quality LED like the rebel100 or the Q5
    They use special edition when they have a special color available, you see this a lot with the PD
    basically you pay more but they guarantee what you get
    with the others it al depends on what they have available in china

    you can buy a regular L1DCE and what you get is the following
    P4 led until this runs out
    Q2 led if they can not get the P4
    maybee Q4

    for them the case is simple if they have to choose between shipping a light with a better led or shipping no light at al they go for the better led.

    either way the fenix lights are really good quality when it comes to maximum output and maximum regulated time
    as for HAIII finish i am not so sure
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    Thanks for the clarification... I'm sure I will like the q5 too.... I would like to play with a rebel side by side and compare.

    thanks for the help.
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    Default Re: Fenix L2D Q5 vs R100, R80, Q2, P4 Comparison Review: RUNTIMES+

    Great reviews. Thanks.

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