My picture shows the 6 degree XR-E specific hex-optics on an XR-E (170 lens/147 holder)
Now I recognized that the first post links to Cutter and shows part no 124/147.
147 is the holder for Cree. That is ok.
But part no. 124 is a 25 degrees optics for a Luxeon style lambertian led. (Lux I, Lux III, old Cree (pre-XR-E) or maybe SSC)
I don't know why it is mixed, because 25 degrees optics for XR-E is part no 171? Maybe cutter should be more specific, they are mentioning only Cree leds and not Cree XR-E.
I'm using the 7-led cluster optics on SSC P4 leds and the spot is really nice and round. This is not the case for the XR-E version (There is no 7-led-cluster version for XR-E, I should use individual optics for it)