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    mly tough light. On the surface of things.

    My first Surefire was/is a 6P I still have it.
    It is green (rare)
    One thing I learned about 6P's is that it was not a good idea to drop them while ON. The globe broke if they take a fall while ON.
    So surefire made a special head which was a shock absorbing head for the 6/9P series of lights. they absorbed the high G's if dropped saving the globe. Was this a design to get us to either buy more globes or more accessories. I did both.

    Cut to 10 -15 or so years later and I still have that 6P. I run it with a P61 globe.

    So I got to thinking the new LED globe which they say puts out 80 lumens costs $39.00 and theG2® LED goes for 65. I want one of those new LED globes. I went to the local gun shop to get one but that didn't have any but they did have a
    G2® LED.
    So I bought one.
    This unit seems to be a hybrid with the Nitrolon tail and switch assembly and an aluminum head. Not a bad idea since the emitter will generate some heat. I doubt it generates as much heat as a stock p61 but it certainly warms up. Surefire definitely wanted these to last a long time. Gone it seems are the days where you have to buy a shock proof head and multiple p60 and P61 globes.
    At $39.00 the LED globe alone is a fantastic value. I used to say that about the kl3 head at $60.00.

    So what I have here is an incredibly durable high quality can't go wrong twist it and it goes on LED flashlight with a momentary push button operation as an option. To many the perfect flashlight.

    As time marches on I may report here how this light is doing. Others have literally dragged this light around on miles of rocks and not had it fail.

    The point is this for around $65.00 you can buy a light which you can shove into your trunk and let it sit for 5 years and just when all is lost you have this beauty to light your way a real life saver. Or you can toss this into your tool box bang it around and treat it like your worst enemy after 6 patron's and it will come back swinging.
    No matter how you look at it the G2 LED is a great beginner to advanced flashlight. If you are new and want a basic light to start with this is it.
    If you are an old-timer but would never spend the kind of Money Surefire asks for their stuff finally they have a LED light without a sky high price tag.
    I believe this light would be just as at home on the battlefield or the workshop.

    I love aluminum. I have a lot of aluminum flashlights. But I have got to tell you this NITROLON stuff is a very dense material. I doubt it is glass filed but it may mot need to be it is HARD maybe just as hard as aluminum.
    I don't know for sure but it is HARD tough stuff.
    The G2 LED has a very solid feeling in your hand. It is a good size. The beam is very nice.
    If I were to be at all critical I would say the emitter runs a little on the COOL side and could use a little warming up. Lottery I am sure.
    BTW I love the idea that I can pull the LED based globe out and stick it into one of several body/head combinations I have instantly converting them to LED and cheap too.
    OK there you go I am a surefire fan no doubt.
    I find it very hard to find anything wrong with this flashlight.
    I look forward to figuring out ways of really abusing it.
    Some rainy nights on a late night movie set ought to do it some good.
    I am sure some of you already have this sucker I would love to hear about how much you Love it or hate it.
    Have a great day.
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    I just bought one of these (G2L Nitro) yesterday morning. And dropped it on the concrete, while lit, the same night. A small scratch on the bezel is the extent of the "damage". So nitro now has a battle scar; no problem - chicks dig scars.

    I'm probably the last person on CPF to ask for a review, though. This is the first light that I've paid more than $10 for. But I like it a lot. Of course, after seeing this puppy light the tops of the pine trees last night, I'm now power hungry - going for triple digits on the lumen count next time!




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    I agree that the G2 LED/P60L module is a great upgrade. Brighter, with much longer run times, extremely durable at a decent price with a lifetime warranty, and the ability to move the module to other lights makes it very versatile as well.

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    My second favorite, normal use light after the two-stage Jonta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by planex View Post
    I agree that the G2 LED/P60L module is a great upgrade. Brighter, with much longer run times, extremely durable at a decent price with a lifetime warranty, and the ability to move the module to other lights makes it very versatile as well.
    I am sorry, I don't get it... Manufacturer rated the G2L is 80 lumens and 12 hrs runtime and the P60L dropin is also 80 lumens and 12 hrs runtime...why do planex said it's brighter and longer runtime??? P60L have less of a blue tint, that's why it's brighter?

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    what exactly is the difference between the G2 and 6P LED, other than slightly different bodies?

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    Something else occurred to me about this light.
    With the aluminum head it also makes a good host for use with the new and next gen (future and present) drop in globes both incancescent and LED based.

    A good heavy duty relatively inexpensive host is a good thing.
    I was just comparing the G2LED against the KL3 this evening.
    WOW we have come so far I am amazed.
    OK I will give you the fact that the beams are totally different. the KL4 is a tight spot type of beam while the G2 LED has much more flood..while having a hotspot which is very close in terms of brightness. I will put the G2 LED on the Meterman 631 here and get a snapshot of these outputs compared. What is more important really is that Surefire has managed to build a nice LED based globe in the P60L. I look forward to this globe in different colors.

    There is so much more technology in the KL3. Drivers, emitters, TIR optics. In it's way the KL3 is an amazing hunk of technology. and as I said in my first post a true bargain at around $60.00.
    Obviously Surefire who has always made money in selling globes has a very profitable globe in the P60L. There is a great use of existing technology getting put together to create a new high quality part which will be hard for most 6P 9P and G2 users will find hard to resist.

    I also like the fact that the P60L will work with a 9V body like the 9P.
    That is a good thing.

    The other thing about dropping the G2LED is that you would be hard pressed to find any damage at least on the tail end. I may install this head into my stock G2 so the whole light will be NitroLOn.
    Hmmm...
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    None really. The G2 is a Nitrolon version of the 6P. A budget version if you will.
    Now that the new G2 Led has an aluminum head the difference is less clear.
    The G2 doesn't have the same set of accessories like switch options and head options.
    As far as I know, functionally they are identical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by popspeak View Post
    what exactly is the difference between the G2 and 6P LED, other than slightly different bodies?
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    I believe he is comparing the G2L and P60L to the 6P and G2 (the incandescent versions).
    The stock G2 will output 65 lumen's for about an hour. Clearly the G2L puts out more light for a longer amount of time.

    The Cool tint of the emitter has little to do with run time. The P60 globe being an incandescent globe is much warmer. As the batteries become weak it becomes warmer and dimmer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dealgrabber2002 View Post
    I am sorry, I don't get it... Manufacturer rated the G2L is 80 lumens and 12 hrs runtime and the P60L dropin is also 80 lumens and 12 hrs runtime...why do planex said it's brighter and longer runtime??? P60L have less of a blue tint, that's why it's brighter?

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    As a refrence My g2LED has about the same output as mt A2.

    My G2 is brighter than my G2 LED
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    I recently purchased at G2LED and was extremely impressed with how bright the LED was compared to the P60 lamp. It literally lights up my entire backyard, 1/8 acre, and lights up the side of my house. I'm very impressed and my next purchase will be a surefire LED with 100 lumens.

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    I bought one last week. At first I was not too impressed with this light but over the weekend I spent some time with it comparing it to my other lights and I have changed my mind.

    I would recommend it to anyone.

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    Believe (Hope!) there is one under the tree (P6L). If not it is the next thing on my list so I can play SF Leggo!!!
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    I have now leggoed my G2 L.
    I have replaced the light source with a malkoff M60 Q5. I replaced the tail switch with a Z48 clicky from surefire. I don't love the z48 much but it beats the hell out of a stock nitrolon surefire g2 tail switch. I sort of wish it was a z49. It would match better.
    I don't care much. The point is now I have taken a perfectly good G2L and frankenstein/leggoed it into a good mixed use tool with a hellofa bright beam. This will likley change in to another light before long.

    I have stuck the G2L's p60L into an old stock 6P. A perfect home for it.

    I am quite sure that I will not be buying many more incandescent surefire globes. I will still need to feed my KT2/3 with high output globes but that is about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yaesumofo View Post
    So what I have here is an incredibly durable high quality can't go wrong twist it and it goes on LED flashlight with a momentary push button operation as an option. To many the perfect flashlight.

    No matter how you look at it the G2 LED is a great beginner to advanced flashlight. If you are new and want a basic light to start with this is it.

    I believe this light would be just as at home on the battlefield or the workshop.

    I find it very hard to find anything wrong with this flashlight.
    amen, brother but somehow i find myself EDCing my 6P more. Your post was a sign I should be spending more quality time with my G2
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    I already own a couple of G2's and a 6P but I bought a G2L with the Aluminum bezel a few weeks back. Just like someone else here I also 'acquired' a nick in the bezel from a dropping it onto concrete. However, for me the G2L is a logical improvement by Surefire for lights which use a P60 bulb.

    The improvement in useable battery life and from not having to replace bulbs every 30-40 hours is brilliant. IMHO the light now becomes slightly more dependable in an emergency as the LED is potentially less likely to fail at a crucial moment.

    For those of you who don't use a head light but utilise your teeth to hold the G2 in your mouth the Nitrolon is just very, very, kind.

    As a paramedic mine is used all the time and is now my favourite EDC duty light. If I only have one criticism it is that the bezel is type 11 anodised and IMHO should be HA matt black. That way it would match the matt finish of the black Nitrolon and be much more resistant to wear.

    For those that say it's not bright enough or it's too tint is to blue that may be true, but I figure that the Surefire warranty and the quality of manufacture is more than a recompense.

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    yaesumofo,

    I was reading this thread for the first time and was thinking about the Malkoff drop-in, but I was going to refrain from posting about it.... and then I read your update. The drop-in makes a huge difference, does it not?

    I currently have a 6P and 9P, both with drop-ins from Gene. I *WILL* have a G2 very soon. I'm starting to think that the G2 is the best of the bunch.
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    Hey, does anyone make multi-level tailcaps for the G2? I'm considering a G2 + Malkoff + multi-level tailcap (if the regulator in the Malkoff can do that).

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    My department recently switched their duty issue light from the Poly-Stinger to the G2L. I gotta say the Stinger was a solid workhorse of a light- mine took a pounding and delivered some as well.
    But its nice that now everyone has a quality LED light thats pretty much bomb & idiot (very important- believe me) proof... at least people will stop asking me "Where'd you get your light from?"
    (Actually no they won't cause mine will either be a G2L with a Q5 drop-in/Milky ML1/Fenix P3D. Now they'll just ask "How did yours get so bright?"
    In addition, we get the V70 holster & free Surefire batteries... I may have 1 or 2 batteries in my Fenix (hey its for work too!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fird View Post
    Hey, does anyone make multi-level tailcaps for the G2? I'm considering a G2 + Malkoff + multi-level tailcap (if the regulator in the Malkoff can do that).
    Check out OpticsHQ they are selling a dropin with multi level tail cap kit for the G2. There is a thread here, somewhere too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaesumofo View Post
    ...I have got to tell you this NITROLON stuff is a very dense material. I doubt it is glass filed but it may mot need to be it is HARD maybe just as hard as aluminum.
    I don't know for sure but it is HARD tough stuff.
    Why do you doubt it?
    SureFire state that their Nitrolon is a proprietary high-strength, non-conductive, impact-resistant, glass-filled polyamide nylon polymer. “Glass-filled” means that the polymer matrix has been mixed with fine
    glass fibers that add rigidity, abrasion resistance, and increased stability at higher temperatures.


    Quote Originally Posted by yaesumofo View Post
    The G2 doesn't have the same set of accessories like switch options and head options.
    Whilst there are one or two TailCaps (such as the Z41 'standard' LockOut TailCap, can't think of another non-classic WeaponLight TailCap at the moment) that don't fit the Nitrolon bodies, all the Clickie TailCaps do.

    All bezels that fit the 6P also fit the Nitrolon bodies.

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    Both are great lights. One difference between the two is that the 6PL uses a Pyrex (glass) lens, the G2L uses a Lexan (plastic) lens...even the aluminum head version. What I love is that 3.7V rechargeable 123's can be used with no problem, since the LED modules can take up to 9V input. I bought both the 6PL and G2L, but recently sold the G2L. I wish I kept it though now that it's winter, that Nitrolon would feel much better than the cold aluminum of the 6PL!
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    I use AA rechargeables in some of my lights. They have a longer run time than regular alkaline batteries.

    If I go with CR123 recharables in my G2L can I expect the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garand View Post
    If I go with CR123 recharables in my G2L can I expect the same thing?
    I was wondering this as well. Also, can anyone suggest a good battery/charger combo?

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    Why does my G2L have a nitrolon head instead of the aluminum one as stated in first OP post? Did I get mine too soon?
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    Dizzy,

    From another post about the G2L......

    Personally, I think the aluminum head on a Nitrol body looks ridiculous!

    If you're worried about heatsinking, get a 6P.

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    My leggo plans go like this:

    The P6L gives up it's body for my "Chopped" KL3 (LUXIII of VERY nice tint and a mop reflector). It really needs a 3 cell body for proportion... (Anyone got a spare?)

    The P60L probably ends up in my Pelican M6.

    The Aluminum P6 bezel goes on my black G2 with whichever is brighter between DX Cree and DX SSC.

    And my green G2 gets the other module.

    There could be a change in that the "second" DX module ends up in the P M6 and the P60L in the green G2.

    It all hinges on if there is a P6L under the tree.

    If not it will take longer.
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    Size 15. Thanks for filling us/me in. I had attempted to fit the incompatible LOTC tail switche and since it failed I assumed (incorrectly) that the all aluminum switches did not work. Yesterday I successfully installed a z48 clunker clicky. It does work fine.

    The concept of metal reinforced plastic is not new nor are glass filled polymers. None of these are new technologies. But they are good technologies. I assume the metal tube in the G2 is a dual porpose aspect of the design strength and common ground.
    I can only assume that since these "plastic" parts are molded that they are less expensive to make than their aluminum counterparts.

    I do have a question for you. Doesn't sending the G2L out with an aluminum head defeat the purpose of the G2 (economy)? Isn't using the plastic a cost saving measure? Throwing an aluminum head on the G2L must bump the cost of the light up quite a bit.
    I have run my G2L for well over 20 minutes (with the P60L) at a time and the unit barely gets warm. Either the system is not good at moving heat or there is not much heat being generated. My P60l seems to be generating LESS heat than a stock P60 (incandescant globe) which run fine in my stock all plasic g2.

    My point is Why did Surefire go to the extra expense of supplying an aluminum head when it's utility may be limited?

    I like the all plastic G2.

    Has anybody studied the ability of the nitrolon to move heat? What the difference is in heat generation between the LED P60L and the Incan P60? I suspect the P60 makes more heat.

    In any event the G2 resally is as I said extreemely heavy duty. The Nitrolon material is very impressive. With the exception of water resistance (it may be fine for all I know but I am not ultra confident that the head will hold back much water), The G2 is a flashlight which will take years of abuse.
    BTW I got a Promo G2 from the shot show CPF party from a few years ago which I will allways keep. It is unique in it's own special way.


    Please forgive the use of the word plastic as I use it interchangeably with the word polymer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Size15's View Post
    Why do you doubt it?
    Surefire state that their Nitrolon is a proprietary high-strength, non-conductive, impact-resistant, glass-filled polyamide nylon polymer. “Glass-filled” means that the polymer matrix has been mixed with fine
    glass fibers that add rigidity, abrasion resistance, and increased stability at higher temperatures.


    Whilst there are one or two TailCaps (such as the Z41 'standard' Lockout TailCap, can't think of another non-classic WeaponLight TailCap at the moment) that don't fit the Nitrolon bodies, all the Click TailCaps do.

    All bezels that fit the 6P also fit the Nitrolon bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaesumofo View Post
    I do have a question for you. Doesn't sending the G2L out with an aluminum head defeat the purpose of the G2 (economy)? Isn't using the plastic a cost saving measure? Throwing an aluminum head on the G2L must bump the cost of the light up quite a bit.
    The assumption here is that SureFire wanted to make a lower-priced flashlight and so found a lower-cost material with which to make it.
    There is another point of view:
    SureFire wanted to make a polymer flashlight and it just so happened it meant they didn't have to charge as much for it, making it a lower-priced flashlight.

    I know that PK does not consider Nitrolon in anyway a compromise material - there is nothing 'cheap' about it. In some ways it is better than aluminium.

    I have run my G2L for well over 20 minutes (with the P60L) at a time and the unit barely gets warm.
    Either the [Nitrolon] system is not good at moving heat or there is not much heat being generated.
    Emphasis mine.
    My P60l seems to be generating LESS heat than a stock P60 (incandescant globe) which run fine in my stock all plasic g2.
    This is certainly the case - incandescents produce significantly more heat than LEDs. Most of the output is 'thermal'. Only a small fraction is visible light.

    My point is Why did Surefire go to the extra expense of supplying an aluminum head when it's utility may be limited?
    I think the thermal utility of the aluminium bezel is a significant difference. Enough to outweigh the benefits of Nitrolon.

    I like the all plastic G2.
    Yeah me too.

    Has anybody studied the ability of the nitrolon to move heat? What the difference is in heat generation between the LED P60L and the Incan P60?
    Good question. I know that SureFire have.
    A friend of PK has produced thermal images of various SureFires throughout the runtime. Check out www.pk-e.com

    Please forgive the use of the word plastic as I use it interchangeably with the word polymer.
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    Few questions,

    Will this thing run on a 17670 at full power?

    How long is the runtime before it falls from regulation.

    It _is_ regulated, right?

    My assumption is that it uses essentially the same regulator as the L4.

    Is there a runtime graph around? I searched, but could not find one.
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