Dulling edge

diff_lock2

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I can get a pretty sharp edge with the rough side of a cheap stone, and a tad finner on the smooth side.

But when I move to the 1000grit sand paper... the edge becomes very dull.

Here is the strange part, with the dull edge I steel (sp?) the blade its razor sharp, and it lasts long enough.

What am I doing wrong? I was expecting a razor sharp edge from the rough side of the stone.
 

nerdgineer

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Just guessing here but...

The edge you get with a rough stone is not "sharp" in the sense of a smooth, continuous edge. Under magnification, it would look like a lot of jagged pointy teeth which can cut because their tips are sharp but which really cuts like fine saw. Finer stone = smaller pointy teeth.

If you're pushing the knife edge into the sandpaper, the paper - being flexible - is likely rising like cloth before a chair leg and cutting across your edge at a blunt angle, removing the sharp teeth and leaving a dull edge. If you're pulling the edge away from the sandpaper, then it is raising a burr on the edge (essentially bending the teeth and a ridge of metal upward) so that the resulting edge is spread out and not sharp.

If the latter case, steeling the edge might grind down the burr resulting in, again, a lot of little teeth more or less aligned, or a "sharp" blade. If you're pushing the blade forward on the sandpaper, I don't know what the steeling would do.

If the blade is "sharp" in the sense you want it, then you're fine to just keep doing whatever you're doing. Aficianados of sharp usually will apply a fine, hard stone to the edge to try to get rid of the teeth and replace it with an actual edge, hopefully no more than a micron or two across. That's...shaarrrp.

FYI, one test of sharpness which distinguishes between teeth type sharpness and edge type sharpness is to bend a piece of regular paper (or newspaper for a more challenging test) about 1/2" (..1 cm..) from the edge so it sticks straight up. Then take your knife and push it gently straight down against the raised edge of paper. A really sharp blade will cut it with just downward pressure, no sawing back and forth.

To get a really sharp edge, learn about edge profiles so you understand what you're grinding, and get a fine, hard stone to properly finish the edge.

Have fun...

[BTW - I'm just AMAZED at your (and many others out there) English skills, unless you happen to be a native English speaker living out their in Finland...]
 
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diff_lock2

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My English skills are horrible, it is this Firefox spell checker that does everything. And I am a native English speaker living in Finland.

Edit: I will conduct some of those paper sharpness tests, I think I need to spend more time on the stone (fine side).
 

diff_lock2

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Good links, I have read them before, rereading revealed something, I have an old steel, thats what the site said. The one with long grooves.

Yeah, I think I just haven't "polished" the edge. I end with a fairly toothy blade. Also I need a angle guide, the lansky kit would be perfect, if i could find one here in Finland.

Only one of my knifes cut through news paper with out sawing, but just. With the rest you need a little sawing action to get it started.

Time to get more 1000grit and and clamp it down to disallow it to warp.
 

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Key is to hold the blade at an consistant angle and don't press down too hard. I use 1500 grit sandpaper for last stage (edge leading) and never had any problem with sandpaper warping.
 
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