Fenix light with a clicky, - switch survey

Handlobraesing · Mar 16, 2008

Requirement:
must have owned a Fenix flashlight with a click-type power switch for no less than a year. If your Fenix has two switches (the mode select), report failure of either as yes.

Same poll for Mag full size here:
https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/192332

EDIT:
You can't vote "no" unless you've had it for a year, but if yours failed before you've owned it for a year, please vote yes. Why? If it's broken two weeks after you bought it, it's still broken the next day, and it'd be still broken a year later too. Yes, I added the same edit to Mag poll too.

Vote "haven't had it for a year", if you haven't had it for a year and it's still working correctly.

WadeF · Mar 16, 2008

I'm not up to a year yet with my clickies. Has Fenix had clickies out for a year yet? I thought the P2D's, and P3D's with clickies were still fairly new, and the older Fenix's were twisties.

I've been informed Fenix's L1P was their first light and it was a clicky.

I would think any of the Fenix lights with clickies that are older than 1 year would be discontinued and obsolete now. Their newer lights have improved, so why would we care about their old lights?

Handlobraesing · Mar 16, 2008

WadeF said:
I'm not up to a year yet with my clickies. Has Fenix had clickies out for a year yet? I thought the P2D's, and P3D's with clickies were still fairly new, and the older Fenix's were twisties.

Yes they have. L 0/1/2 P and such.

Marduke · Mar 16, 2008

I see you have two clicky failure polls up, did you try searching for the results of these exact same two poles which were previously posted? SF had several also.

Handlobraesing · Mar 16, 2008

Marduke said:
I see you have two clicky failure polls up, did you try searching for the results of these exact same two poles which were previously posted? SF had several also.

I don't believe they had the same requirement of one year minimum ownership.

Marduke · Mar 16, 2008

Handlobraesing said:
I don't believe they had the same requirement of one year minimum ownership.

Why don't you include a color choice also??

Handlobraesing · Mar 16, 2008

Marduke said:
Why don't you include a color choice also??

Because I don't believe it is relevant. Why don't you explain why you think the color choice has any bearing on switch reliability?

The >1 year ownership requirement filters out "I just bought it the other day and yeah, it hasn't failed yet".

WadeF · Mar 16, 2008

Handlobraesing said:
The >1 year ownership requirement filters out "I just bought it the other day and yeah, it hasn't failed yet".

Can you still buy the models you are doing this poll on? Are the 1+ year old Fenix lights still current models? Or have they been discontinued? Also, this would only give us results on their 1+ year old lights. Their current models have come a long way over the past year and maybe much more reliable, etc. So knowing if their 1+ year old lights were good or not doesn't tell us anything about their new lights.

Marduke · Mar 16, 2008

WadeF said:
Can you still buy the models you are doing this poll on? Are the 1+ year old Fenix lights still current models? Or have they been discontinued? Also, this would only give us results on their 1+ year old lights. Their current models have come a long way over the past year and maybe much more reliable, etc. So knowing if their 1+ year old lights were good or not doesn't tell us anything about their new lights.

Maybe the goal is to give an artificial advantage to manufacturers which don't move quickly in the market :poke:

srvctec · Mar 16, 2008

Sounds like somebody is trying to collect data to back up his total dislike for Fenix and most likely will use this to continue bashing them. Not saying that's what's going on here, but he has a loooong history of bashing Fenix at every opportunity for some reason. Just my 2cents.

BTW, I used an L1D-CE numerous times daily for over a year and never had a problem with the switch.

wishywashy7 · Mar 16, 2008

Been using Fenix lights (P3D, L2D and T1) as soon as they came out (a little over 9 months). Lights dropped often and washed in surgical handscrub almost daily. NEVER had a failure.

Not sure if this testimonial has any statistical significance though

kurni · Mar 16, 2008

Not 1 year yet, but my P2D clickie is great.

Handlobraesing · Mar 16, 2008

wishywashy7 said:
Been using Fenix lights (P3D, L2D and T1) as soon as they came out (a little over 9 months). Lights dropped often and washed in surgical handscrub almost daily. NEVER had a failure.

Not sure if this testimonial has any statistical significance though

So, why did you vote no? Is 9>12 in your calender?

Any Cal. · Mar 16, 2008

I am not really sure why I voted, or why I am helping to bump this thread back up. Anyway, I had one that worked fine for over a year. Not that it particularly matters anymore, since that light has been discontinued. Similarly, I have another that has probably been used more in the last few months more than most lights are in a year. While that one has not failed, the pointlessly stringent qualifications of the poll make that statistically insignificant.
Perhaps a better qualification would be "Do you have a Fenix clicky that has more than @ 1000 cycles on it w/out failure?" Then, those that were newer but had considerable use on them could be counted. Also, it would remove lights that were older but never used, therefore only skewing the poll. It would also make it possible to do condensed testing on brand new lights, and see what the outcome would be, which would be of interest to those who actually wanted solid information about new lights.

Handlobraesing · Mar 16, 2008

Any Cal. said:
Perhaps a better qualification would be "Do you have a Fenix clicky that has more than @ 1000 cycles on it w/out failure?"

Ideally, yes. Who's going to keep track of it though?

Any Cal. · Mar 16, 2008

Realistically, it would have to be an estimated usage. It would work for newer lights however, by simply running the switch that many times. If a person carries a light for a year, there is a good chance they have exceeded the switch cycles. If it has sat for a year, there is a good chance there are only a few cycles on the switch. I think the time component may mean considerably less than the amount of use. If I collected "X" brand lights, and had 8 sitting on a shelf for the last 2 1/2 years, should I be able to vote on the reliability of their switches?

You are correct though, that in many cases there would not be a count accurate to within even a couple hundred switch cycles. However, one has to wonder if that would really even matter on a system good for many thousands of cycles.

Edited to add: While an assumption on my part, I believe that the majority of switch problems tend to show themselves long before 800-1000 cycles. Beyond that,(how far beyond, I do not know), there comes a point where there is not a failure, but simply the end of the service life of the part. At that point, you are measureing the longevity of the item rather than the reliability.

Handlobraesing · Mar 16, 2008

Any Cal. said:
Realistically, it would have to be an estimated usage. It would work for newer lights however, by simply running the switch that many times. If a person carries a light for a year, there is a good chance they have exceeded the switch cycles. If it has sat for a year, there is a good chance there are only a few cycles on the switch. I think the time component may mean considerably less than the amount of use. If I collected "X" brand lights, and had 8 sitting on a shelf for the last 2 1/2 years, should I be able to vote on the reliability of their switches?

You are correct though, that in many cases there would not be a count accurate to within even a couple hundred switch cycles. However, one has to wonder if that would really even matter on a system good for many thousands of cycles.

Edited to add: While an assumption on my part, I believe that the majority of switch problems tend to show themselves long before 800-1000 cycles. Beyond that,(how far beyond, I do not know), there comes a point where there is not a failure, but simply the end of the service life of the part. At that point, you are measureing the longevity of the item rather than the reliability.

Repeated cycling also ignores the effect of oxidation related problems.

Sharpy_swe · Mar 16, 2008

I bought my Fenix L2D CE in february last year, and it works fine. For example my brother tested it for several weeks at work (hard use), with the result of buying an own L2D Q5. I'm going to use my L2D on my bike.

I also got a P3D RB100 since september, and it works perfect.

DM51 · Mar 16, 2008

There is already an existing poll about Fenix reliability, started only yesterday. To have a second one is completely unnecessary.

Closed.

Fenix light with a clicky, - switch survey

REQ: Must have owned a Fenix with a clicky for >1 yr. Have you had a switch failure?

Yes

No

I don't own with a clicky/have owned it for less than 1 year

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