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    Arrow Titanium Aleph & E Series compatible heads/tubes/tails**Announcing TnC Ti EDC-Flex**

    EDIT: This thread began as an interest thread for both Ti and Aluminum parts. The Ti folks showed more interest and we are focusing now on Ti parts but aluminum parts will follow with enough interest. The thread solely for aluminum parts is located here: ***Aluminum E Series heads & tubes/tails***TnC EDC-Flex Interest/Sales Thread***

    Please post interest as parts will be available in the order interest was shown.

    EDIT: I've posted ***Titanium 27, 20 & 19mm Aleph & E Series compatible heads /TnC EDC-Flex Sales*** Very soon I will be posting the complete 27mm Ti EDC-Flex heads on the thread in the link above. We are currently working on the EDC-Flex Ti tubes and tails and these will be machined soon. Please see drawings and details below while we choose what design and direction to take.

    Since the creation of the TnC SF-Series line of flashlights and parts we've received regular requests for E Series compatible parts. Some of this stems I think from confusion regarding the "SF" included in "SF-Series". "SF" wasn't intended it to be short hand for Surefire. It's true the SF-Series tail cap switches are Surefire E Series compatible and we have an adaptor to use E Series compatible heads (Alephs) on SF-Series tubes using TnC canisters, but still the SF-Series was not intended as an E Series compatible product.

    Thus the purpose of this interest thread; to seek out what our customers truly want directly. For those who wish to have the most modular Lego set of lights built (in aluminum), compatible with a number of custom parts, there is the SF-Series. For those who just want Surefire E Series compatible Ti light/parts with fewer parts there is the new TnC EDC-Flex Series.

    Unlike the SF-Series with four body parts: tail, tube, power pack (adaptor) and head, the EDC-Flex will likely only have two parts: tail/tube in one part and the head. The exception is with 18650 and 18500 tubes which require an adaptor for optimum performance and contact. We will also build our own one piece E Series compatible canisters (with enough interest). These will be cross compatible with other popular E Series parts and vice versa or will be easily upgradeable.

    The first run of heads will be 20mm, then 19mm, and then 27mm, and/or a very small run of 38mm heads. All these heads will be built to use McGizmo reflectors which are in short supply at this time and will be avialable as an option, as well as will lenses.

    The tubes will be 18650 and then CR123 to start with. In the future, with interest, we will build CR2, 17670, AA and 18500 sizes as well as extenders for popular sizes for those who wish to use 2x or 3x AAs, or 2x CR123s, 2x 18650s etc.

    The advantages of an integrated tube/tail are significant and thus the reason TnC has been machining this configuration for some time. On tubes such as the 18650, there are large variations in the battery sizes that are available. With a typical E Series tube an oversized battery may bottom out on the end of the tube. With an integrated tail/tube the tail spring can take up the excess length. If a builder allows for the extra length of the larger cells, it can become problematic to get the shorter cells to work without extenders or contact points being added. Another advantage is integrity which is obvious. The less parts and seams the better integrity. Lastly there is cost. This is also obvious, the less parts/threads/masking, the lower the cost as well.

    We will maintain support of TnC's original canisters for use in E Series lights using SF-Series power packs (adaptors) for those who wish to have the most in modularity, adjustability and ease or swapping components in the field; however the advantages with the EDC-Flex will be important to those who already own E Series parts.

    Below are drawings of the 38mm EDC-Flex Ti heads (without bezel). There are only going to be 14-18 pcs. available with reflectors. The rest can be purchased as empty heads (including 0-rings and bezels), or with lenses and/or with heat sinks for customs multi LED setups.

    We are sourcing Saphire and UCL lenses for these heads. We are going to try to match the lenses to the A3 Aleph specs. so folks can order these lenses as well for use in their existing heads.




    Below is a drawing of the TnC EDC-Flex 18650 v5-2 Tube with TnC 38mm Head



    Below are pictures and drawings of the TnC EDC-Flex 27L (27-L, 27-XR, 27-S) Ti heads. Below is a picture of Long heads. On the left is the v1, the second from left is the v3, then the v1 followed on the right by the v5.



    This is version v1 Long. I will list all the long variation candidates v1, v3, v5 and v6 in a row followed by the short versions (McR-27).


    Below is the v3 Long 27mm head.



    Below is the v5 long.



    Below is the v6 Long.



    Below is v1 Short 27mm head (McR-27 reflector).



    Below is the v3-2 short 27mm head.



    Below is the v5 short.



    Here are the last drawings for the 27mm Ti EDC-Flex heads for this run. Below is the v6.



    Below is the v6-2 27mm short design.



    To summarize the 27mm EDC-Flex options for interest are:

    v1 short or long
    v3 long
    v3-2 short
    v5 short or long
    v6 short or long
    v6-2 short

    The head options are:
    19mm $225
    20mm $215
    27mm $265 (fits McR-27 reflectors)
    27mmL $265 (fits McR-27L, 27XR, 27-S reflectors)
    38mm $335
    larger head TBA

    Prices include crenulated or smooth Bezels. McR reflectors without lenses are $18 extra (19mm, 20mm, 27mm). McR reflectors and UCLs for 19mm and 20mm heads is $28 extra. McR reflectors and UCLs for all 27mm heads are $30 extra. McR-38 reflectors and UCLs are $40 extra. Sapphire lenses and McR reflectors are $40 extra for 19mm and 20mm heads.

    Shipping is $3 First Class CONUS, or $6 Priority CONUS, both with delivery confirmation. International is $6 First Class and $15 Priority Mail.

    A vote was put to the folks posting in the thread and they picked from the versions below. V1 and V3 were picked more than V2 or V4. This is a tiny run, but we machined some V3 and V1 heads. A small number of bare aluminum heads will also be sold. The question was also asked if bezels should be crenulated or smooth and crenulated was picked unanimously. These bezels and lenses should fit Aleph and HDS heads etc. Heads shown below are without bezels.



    Below is the V1 with Crenulated Bezel on the left and V3 with crenulated on the right.



    The 18650 EDC-Flex Ti tubes/tails have anti roll, tail standing, lanyard holes, Ti clip holes, and a flare (lobes or ears) for finger grips, however the grips will not interfere with pocket carry as do grips on all the parts I've seen offered to date by others. We don't intend to build the same parts others have built and have additional innovations we'll announce if our efforts appear warranted. Below is a picture of an EDC-Flex 18650 Ti tube/tail with a 18650 extender and gold plated contact E Series head adaptor. EDIT: The two lobe finger grip is not feasible in Ti due to excessive cost, but we will build these in aluminum.

    These tubes will be custom machined to fit buyers' expressed interest. Options Include: EDIT: at this time we are only building the Cr123 and 18650 v1 and v5 tubes for Ti, aluminum tubes will come next.
    CR123 cell tube: v1 & v5-3 $225 (optional Ti clip $15 extra)
    18650 cell tube: v1 & v5-2 $399 (optional Ti clip $15 extra)
    CR2 cell tube
    AA/1850
    (Pricing TBA)

    Tube extenders may be available in all sizes with expressed interest.

    1. Wide or narrow tail guard (lip at the end, wide for better tail standing)
    2. 0, 1 or 2 tritium slots. 2 slots eliminates the possibility of a pocket clip when milled in the same location of clip screws. An option of trits milled into wide tail guard may be available if interest is expressed
    3. Pocket clip (for all tubes except CR2)
    4. No pocket clip holes or Pocket clip milled holes without clip
    5. full round finger grip or "two ear" finger grip
    6. 0, 1 or 2 lanyard holes




    Below is the EDC-Flex tube with anti roll, finger grip lobes, Ti Clip, integrated tail switch, and lanyard holes visible. Also visible is the 18650 EDC-Flex 18650 extender and E Series adaptor with delrin spacer and gold plated copper contact.



    Below is the 18650 EDC-Flex tube with extender installed next to (2) 18650 battery cells.



    Below is a drawing of the Ti EDC-Flex CR123 v1 tube with round tail guard.



    In the pictures below I'd like to introduce the v5-2 Cr123 integrated tail design. EDIT: The latest revision is the v5-3 as pictured in the first Ti machined EDC-Flex Cr123 tube as seen after these next tube drawings.



    As was built into v5 head designs, below is a close up cross section of the fine detail in these fins. I don't believe I've seen these offered before the EDC-Flex Series.



    Now we see what this tube looks like when mated with a v5 27mm EDC-Flex E Series compatible head for a complete light. Missing is the crenulated bezel on the head.



    And one last view of the v5 head and v5-2 tube/tail



    Below is the EDC-Flex Ti Cr123 v5-3 Straight tube with v5 19mm head.



    Below is a drawing of a 18650 Ti EDC-Flex tube round finger grip, no trit, no pocket clip and wide tail for improved tail standing.



    To recap we will be building tubes very soon and are seeking interest and input in designs on these integrated tube/tails. We are also open to taking interest on regular E series tubes (without integrated tails) as well as separate E Series tail caps. We believe we can offer novel designs in these as well. We are also taking interest in Cr123 tube extenders and 18650 tube extenders. We will probably build Cr123 tube/tails first and then move onto 18650 tubes. Other tube sizes such as Cr2, AA/18500 and extenders might also be built if there is interest. It might be a nice feature to have a multi AA tube for running E series parts on regular AA cells. Please chime in! All parts will be built in very limited runs. Please express interest in exactly what you would like to see and try to keep to that interest as we may not build more.

    For those who want the most in capacity the TnC C-Flex aluminum AW C Li-ion tubes and E Series adaptors are already available on FS *C-Flex* C Li-ion battery Tubes, Extenders & Adaptors for E & C Series, TnC & Bulk and TnC C-Flex on the TnC online store. With expressed interest in this thread and the C-Flex thread we may build a very limited run of these parts in Ti.

    EDIT: If there is interest in the future we will build TnC E Series compatible Canisters (LEs). When that happens we will seek input on the following below. Folks have asked us to focus our offering so we will start a specific thread just for Canisters in the future.

    LED
    Seoul
    Cree
    K2
    Rebel
    (depending on availability other LEDs may come into play)
    DIY kit with or without LED

    Driver
    Piglets (original buck boost multi level driver if available)
    FLuPICs
    I can source other drivers as needed or sell as DIY kits with/without drivers
    Last edited by Bogus1; 09-30-2008 at 11:51 AM.

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    Interest in a E-series compatible 38 mm head with the DIY kit, Black HA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuso View Post
    Interest in a E-series compatible 38 mm head with the DIY kit, Black HA
    Hi Cuso,

    Thanks for your interest. I guess I need to edit my post. These lights will be complete kits with tubes/tail/heads/new EDC-Flex canisters. I know this is somewhat different for TnC at this point, but there is a reason for this so please let me know what tube you prefer. If you like the idea or don't like the idea of a one piece integrated tube/tail then please let me know that as well, however in the interest of delivering on this first small run quickly it will be one choice or the other and not both (probably not).

    Also, even in a DIY kit it would be good to know what LED you plan on using so we can gauge which LEDs to build the canisters to fit. Seouls and Crees will work on one can and K2s will work on another.

    Thanks

    ***Edit*** These Ti parts will be available separately. The aluminum parts will as well in a subsequent offering.
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    Default Re: **TnC EDC-Flex Series Interest/Announcement Thread**E Series Compatible Lights/Pa

    IC, I was under the impression that individual parts would be available ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuso View Post
    IC, I was under the impression that individual parts would be available ....
    The tubes/tails may be available separately, but not the heads. The canisters as well may be available separately. I also added the possible option of Titanium. Sorry for any confusion.

    However since I did not make this clear for you in my post, I'll make an exception for you. But can you try to come up with your own 38mm reflector in WTB? That would work better for me. I have less than 20x 38mm reflectors. I hope you understand. Thanks

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    This is some good staff. I love my Aleph series lights.
    I would be interested in all sizes heads with 18650 tubes depend off price.
    For starter I would take 20mm head with 18650 tubes Seoul can, tail standing switch.
    I build my own LE, so I would take driver board separate, 150/800 piglet will be good.
    I also interested in 2AA, maybe 3AA tubes. Any ideas on price yet?
    Thanks for doing this; there is great demand for such lego-lights.

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    Cool stuff Eric!

    I like the clip/collar combo. I haven't seen an anti-roll collar and clip work together yet. And a collar that doesn't interfere with pocket carry is key.

    I'll bet there will be interest in a 38 mm Ti light. I'm in for a Ti 38mm head without reflector for sure.

    Can't wait to see more details.

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    Hi Russki,

    Thanks for you interest. I'll try to get pricing soon. I have to get some drawings to Chris. I guess we'll try to price the various range of parts. I want to get one of these runs out quickly and that's why I'm focusing on a single head and a single tube/tail right now. Otherwise it would take much longer to release an entire series.

    Hi Dennis,

    The A3 would be costly no doubt in Ti, but it would also be nice. We'll see if there is demand. It's a lot of setup just for your one light, but you are worth it

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    Awesome idea! more lego parts!

    as for interest:

    1. Head:
    All of the above (20mm, 27mm, 38mm)

    2. Tube/tail
    yes, both
    (18650, CR123)

    3. LED
    Any of the choices is fine. The more options here the better.

    4. Driver
    Either of these options is fine.

    5. Finish
    Black HA
    Titanium
    The LED ... making up for the fact that titanium doesn't glow inherently

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogus1 View Post
    Hi Dennis,

    The A3 would be costly no doubt in Ti, but it would also be nice. We'll see if there is demand. It's a lot of setup just for your one light, but you are worth it
    Thanks Eric!

    I'm positive there will be more interest in a 38mm Ti head, unfortunately this forum for some reason doesn't get enough views. Come on guys, spread the word. I suggest posting some proto pics in the Modified Lights forum to direct some traffic here, or perhaps an interest thread in the B/S/T forum for a more accurate gauge.

    I envision a killer multi-emitter light using the 38mm head and I'm sure there are others who pine for the same. I think there are only a very few Ti 38mm heads in existence, they just aren't obtainable.

    And that's not to detract from the same in alum, a much more practical and affordable option.

    When designing the 38mm head, I'd like to see a mod-friendly inner design. Perhaps a flat ledge to attach or adhere a custom heatsink instead of a full taper. Some tapped holed in that ledge would be ideal for bolting a custom sink.

    A crenelated bezel option would also be great, but there are more of those out there so compatibility with them (Aleph 3) would be welcome.

    Undoubtedly it will be pricey, but I'm sure it will be a run of more than one.

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    Default Titanium Interest List

    Interest List : Updated May 19th 2008
    --------------------------------------------


    27mm Interest List

    (Please specify 27mm Short or 27mm long - see Post # 277)


    1) iconoclast 27mm Short / Long ???
    2) dmdrewitt V3 Long
    3) bmstrong (all heads?)
    4) donn_ 2x 27mm Long and 4x UCL lenses
    5) BigBoy 27mm Short / Long ???
    6) jch79 27mm Short / Long ???
    7) starfiretoo 2 x 27mm Short
    8) maxspeeds 27mm Short / Long ???
    9) Groundhog66 27mm Short / Long ???
    10) Billybright V3 Long
    11) senorcosas 27mm Short / Long ???
    12) blitzlicht65 V3 short, crenulated (without reflector and without lense).
    13) MorpheusT1 V3




    Titanium

    Russki
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    19mm V1 with crenulated bezel, without reflector and lens,

    18650 tube, lip at the end, 1 tritium slot and pocket clip,
    "Two ear" finger grip, 2 lanyard holes.

    LED Zeppelin
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    Ti 38mm head without reflector
    1 x tube (not specified)
    1 x 20mm V3 crenellated

    iconoclast
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    (20mm, 27mm, 38mm) heads
    18650, CR123 cell tube

    dmdrewitt
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    19mm V3 Head, Sapphire window, Reflector.

    20mm V3 head.

    38mm Head with 18650 EDC flex Ti tube with finger grip lobes, no lanyard holes, Narrow Tail, pocket clip, 1 trit slot.

    27mm Head. Cell tube to be chosen later once pics seen.

    CR123A tubes. Trit in tail, no lanyard hole
    18650 Tubes, Trit in tail, no lanyard hole
    Poss CR2 Tube, Trit in tail, no lanyard hole

    bmstrong
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    I'm interested in Titanium heads and bodies as well.

    donn_
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    I'll commit to $5,000 worth of your Ti inventory, sight-unseen.
    2x 27mm Long and 4x UCL lenses
    2 x 38mm head
    123 and 18650 cell tubes

    V1 20mm Head, crenelated bezels and reflector/lens package
    V3 20mm Head, crenelated bezels and reflector/lens package


    JohnTZ
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    I will comitt $1500
    1 x 38mm head, crenelated bezel
    1 x 18650 clicky body

    BigBoy
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    Interested in 20 or 27 mm head, 18650 cell tube

    easilyled
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    18650 tube
    I'd like one with a 2-eared finger grip with 2 lanyard holes.
    No clip, an extra tritium instead where the clip holes would have been.
    I'd like a wide tail guard please (lip at the end for superior tail standing)

    38mm head
    with P7 set-up, if available
    If not available, then with multi-sink, multi-led arrangement.

    jch79
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    Head: 20mm V3 and 27mm
    Tube/tail: 18650 & CR123 (clipped 1x123 tube with the grip)
    LED: Whatever!
    Driver: GDuP


    tdurand
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    1 x 20mm in ti with K2 V1 body style
    1 x 38mm in ti w/ buck boost multi level driver and Seoul P7, w/ reflector w/ extra lens
    1 x 38mm with reflector and lens
    1 x 18650 body
    1x 18650 extender
    1 x CR123 body
    1 x 123 extender

    starfiretoo
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    1 x 19mm V1
    1 x 19mm V3
    (Any chance of a smooth, thin, rounded edge bezel for my V1?)

    2 x 27mm Short
    1 x 38mm head
    I am interested in a simpler 17650 tube with heavy ribs like the McGizmo tube too
    1 x 20mm V1
    1 x 20mm V3

    EDC-Flex Ti 18650 tube with the finger grip/clip attachment

    3 trit slots, 120 degrees apart ?

    1 tritium slot and pocket clip ?


    DFiorentino
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    1 x 20mm Head
    1 x 38mm Head
    1 x 18650 Tube

    maxspeeds
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    1 x 27mm Head

    FrogmanM
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    ---------

    thom
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    I need to add my interest in a V1 & V3, 19 in Ti.
    1 x 20mm in ti with K2 or later & FLuPIC
    1 x 38mm in ti w/ buck boost multi level driver and Seoul P7, w/ reflector w/ extra lens
    1 x 18650 body, 1x 18650 extender
    1 x CR123 body
    1 x 123 extender

    Groundhogg66
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    20mm and 27mm head in Ti probably w/piglet and SSCP4

    flashlight
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    19mm V1 Sapphire Window
    19mm V3 crenallated bezel


    billybright
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    Multi LED -38mm Ti Head w/2X123/18650 body
    1 x V3 19mm Ti head

    Ti v3 27mm long
    Ti v5 19XR

    gjg
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    38mm complete light
    18650 Trit slots, no clip

    alex_in_germany
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    1 x 19mm with crenulated bezel, V1 Style ,with reflector and lens.

    senorcosas
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    20mm V1, with crenelated bezel rings, reflector and window.
    20mm V3, with crenelated bezel rings, reflector and window.
    27mm, with crenelated bezel rings, reflector and window.
    38mm, with crenelated bezel rings, reflector and window.

    kenster
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    20mm Ti Head V3
    More to follow

    Icarus
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    1x E-series compatible Ti 38mm head with multi-led heatsink (DIY kit).

    MorpheusT1
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    1x Ti EDC-Flex 19mm head ,V3 , Reflector and lense
    1 x 27mm Head. Design choice later.

    Big Honu
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    1 x 19mm V3 Head

    blitzlicht65
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    1x 27mm V3 short (without reflector and without lense).
    1x CR123-tube


    Aluminium Interest List
    ---------------------------


    Cuso
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    Interest in a E-series compatible 38 mm head with the DIY kit, Black HA

    Stillphoto
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    20mm V3 head
    Possibly 27mm head
    123 and 18560 bodies

    Skalomax
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    Any 38mm or 27mm head

    jeffb
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    20mm head, CR123 body,Seoul, Piglet, Bare and potentially Black HA

    Russki
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    27L with smooth bezel, 27XR reflector and lens. HA Black.

    Icarus
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    5x E-series compatible Alu 27mm head in HA Natural (DIY kit).
    5x E-series compatible Alu 38mm head with multi-led heatsink in HA Natural (DIY kit).

    DrunkenDonut
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    38mm head
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    Default Re: **TnC EDC-Flex Series Interest/Announcement Thread**E Series Compatible Lights/Pa

    Couldn't wait, I posted an interest thread.

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    I'm interested in Titanium heads and bodies as well.

    The more pressing question I have? How about a simple CR123 twisty pack?

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    Most definitely in for 27 and 38mm heads in Ti. Likely 2 of each to start. Also for integrated clicky bodies in Ti, both 123 and 18650.

    Dennis..please put me on the list for a 38mm Ti with a multi-LED build. I've got a couple of versions in mind.
    Last edited by donn_; 03-25-2008 at 01:10 PM.

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    Default Re: **TnC EDC-Flex Series Interest/Announcement Thread**E Series Compatible Lights/Pa

    I would be in for a 38mm head and a 18650 clicky body. Both in Ti. I would love for someone to do a multi-led 38mm light for me in Ti. So Mr. Led Zepp let me know.

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    Default Re: **TnC EDC-Flex Series Interest/Announcement Thread**E Series Compatible Lights/Pa

    Donn, I knew you'd make an appearance as our connossieur!

    It's great to be in this early so that Eric can get some feedback from us. Mod-friendly design and dare I ask, heatsinks, will go a long way to make this a reality.

    Actually peering inside the alum 38 mm TnC proto head I have yet to mod but was fortunate to score, the stepped inner design looks very acceptable for fabricating a mating heatsink.

    We need to remember that the initial run is for complete lights or kits, not loose parts. But if I read correctly, the 38 mm heads alone would be considered without reflectors. So unless Eric indicates otherwise, plan your interest with that in mind. I believe this is due to the short supply of reflectors, and this approach will allow more reflectors to see use in functioning lights instead of Lego bins, and be enjoyed by more members.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnTz View Post
    I would be in for a 38mm head and a 18650 clicky body. Both in Ti. I would love for someone to do a multi-led 38mm light for me in Ti. So Mr. Led Zepp let me know.
    John, I could certainly build some, as well as some other more skilled modders (Icarus and Mac come to mind). But given enough interest maybe we can get Eric to produce a kit for them too. It would basically be a heatsink designed to drop in the head with dimensions to fit a certain LED/reflector combo.

    We'll let Eric and Chris take this as far as they want, then the modders can pick up from there. It is definitely doable.
    Last edited by LED Zeppelin; 03-25-2008 at 01:35 PM. Reason: add quote

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    Default Re: **TnC EDC-Flex Series Interest/Announcement Thread**E Series Compatible Lights/Pa

    Dennis..can you post pics of the proto 38mm, inside and out?

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    Default Re: **TnC EDC-Flex Series Interest/Announcement Thread**E Series Compatible Lights/Pa

    Donn, here's the link to the proto head item description.

    EDIT: The "Proto" head is not a prototype of this EDC-Flex 38 mm head. I just call it Proto as the name it was listed as. The design is independent of this run.
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    John, I could certainly build some, as well as some other more skilled modders (Icarus and Mac come to mind). But given enough interest maybe we can get Eric to produce a kit for them too. It would basically be a heatsink designed to drop in the head with dimensions to fit a certain LED/reflector combo.

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    That sounds like a plan. I have been trying to figure out a way to get a multi-led 38mm light in Ti! I'm sure we can find a way to finish them. All we need is TNC to build the 38mm Ti heads.

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    Thanks, Dennis.



    I must admit, I'm a little disappointed in the design as a first reaction. I envisioned something more along the lines of either an Aleph 3 or C-Mag styling. Something more shapely, like an enlarged TnC 27mm head.

    I guess I could get used to it, though.

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    Donn, the proto is not the shape of this EDC-Flex run head. Sorry for the confusion!

    Those were made some time ago and are not related (AFAIK) to this current offerring.

    I think your idea is more correct, something sharing the family lines of the other TnC heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogus1 View Post
    The tubes/tails may be available separately, but not the heads. The canisters as well may be available separately. I also added the possible option of Titanium. Sorry for any confusion.

    However since I did not make this clear for you in my post, I'll make an exception for you. But can you try to come up with your own 38mm reflector in WTB? That would work better for me. I have less than 20x 38mm reflectors. I hope you understand. Thanks
    Thanks for the consideration. A head without reflector would be of no use for me so , I guess I'll stand by for pricing and decide to take a whole light...
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    Hi Donn,

    I agree with you completely. Without considering design objectives that NAT proto 38mm head can look a bit out of place on some E Series tubes. However when you think of the advantage for heat sinking when driving multi LEDs hard...

    As stated in the first post we are going to model the head design closely to either the SF-Series 27mm heads or the HLV/Superflashlight heads. If there is a preference between these two now would be a good time to speak up.

    It looks like there is a definite leaning towards the 38mm Ti at this time. The considerations for a minimum size run in Ti are not as significant as a minimum for an anodized aluminum run, since there isnít masking or other issues. However the design work and tooling, as well as other factors are there. We'll see how much interest remains after we get a price quoted. If it stands there is only enough interest for Ti and not aluminum we'll still proceed, but I must admit I don't feel the custom market should turn its back on aluminum, especially in the case of a head of this size.

    We do have some designs for integrated heat sinks in multi LED lights. In fact we have some pretty intricate designs we have not built using multi drivers as well. However it makes little sense to me to have an integrated heat sink built out of Ti. Perhaps Dennis or someone else can come up with a standard, such as a threaded heat sink with suggestions for a recess to mount drivers, LEDs, and reflectors? I think with an aluminum head we could be more creative. Perhaps that's another phase?

    Yes, we'd prefer to sell some complete lights, however TnC has been focused on the modders with the SF-Series and other parts we have made. We were trying to address a different market with complete lights but have no plans to exclude those who are creative in how they put their own personal lights together. Hopefully folks will like the tubes and tails we build, as well as our new canisters enough to want to use these in sufficient quantities for us to build them. We build parts in tiny custom lots as it is, often in batches of 25 or so parts at a time. The economies of scale are very tough working in that range and we wouldn't be doing it if this weren't a hobby for us. Please also understand the less interest the higher the price we have to pass on.

    Any input on the integration of the tails and tubes? I think this is especially advantageous with 18650, 18500, and AA tubes due to the variances we've encountered. I'll try to have something to show in terms of the tubes and tails by the end of the week as well as pricing and get this into the queue as soon as possible.

    Cuso,

    Thanks for understanding! I'll try to make this work for you.

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    Love the look of the superflashlights !!!!!

    Like the idea of complete sets rather than piece by piece purchase.

    Integrated head / tail is fine.

    Lower cost would be well received.

    Interested in 20 or 27 mm head - these are the most widely accepted.

    Prefer Cree.

    Would build own driver.

    The TNC canister is easy to build - but if you could make them bigger to support more boards that would be good.

    18650 seems to be a widely accepted standard for rechargable lithium's.

    I would try to minimize options.

    Aluminum is fine with me - but it seems that titanium has the momentum right now for this class of lights.

    I am definitely interested ... and would like to see TNC hit a home run on this series. Your machining is superb, and your canister is easy to build. I would like to see more CPF'ers have the satisfaction of doing a flashlight build.
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    Eric, I'd be interested in alum 38 mm heads sans reflector as well. I do hope you can provide the lenses though.

    I'd like to see TnC take the multi-LED all the way to a kit form, or even complete lights.

    The Ti head should still have an alum sink. I envision a sink that has an integral LE can built into the rear, with a shoulder for the board to sit on. The sink and LE could be entirely bench-built, then threaded into the head from the bezel end. The board would install from the rear, with a cavity for clearance and a ground screw. A through hole would allow wire passage.

    If the multi-emitter involves 4 - 5 LEDs, there will be parallel demand for a tube or tube/extension that can take at least (3) R123 cells. In alum, this is less of a problem since the head could be used on other E compatible tubes. But in Ti, a matching tube for the cell solution would be desired.

    I think the one piece tube is fine, and am looking forward to seeing the collar/clip design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LED Zeppelin View Post
    Eric, I'd be interested in alum 38 mm heads sans reflector as well. I do hope you can provide the lenses though.

    ....

    I think the one piece tube is fine, and am looking forward to seeing the collar/clip design.
    I agree with LZep that I would like the 38mm Ti head to ship with an o-ring and window. (preferably Sapphire). All 38mm parts seem hard to find now

    I would like to see more on the design of integrated tail cap before committing one way or the other.

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    I would be very interested in a Titanium 38mm head
    ( especially if Led Zeppelin would provide a multi-led mod for me )

    Would also probably buy Ti integrated body and tailcap (compatible with 18650)
    but would like to see some pictures first.

    I'm also interested to know if TNC is considering designing any heads/canisters
    that can utilize the spectacular SSC P7 led.
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    I'd prefer DIY kits / standalone parts over completed assemblies.
    -Both 123 and 18560 bodies sound good.
    -I'd really prefer the 20mm heads and possibly 27mm head, mainly because I never did get any of the A2 aleph heads (those are the small ones right? lol)
    -Led choices - Cree and Seoul
    -Driver - DIY most likely.
    - Finishes - Black HA, and whichever (natty or olive) will match surefires the best.

    I like the overall ideal of the tube and tail being one piece. Certainly will add that little something different to differentiate itself from the Alephs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    I'm also interested to know if TNC is considering designing any heads/canisters
    that can utilize the spectacular SSC P7 led.


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