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    Eric judging from this early feedback the 38mm Ti head and the 18650 tube in Ti are gauranteed hits for you. Also sounds like you can take that combo as far as you want for a multi-led light as the modders will take it the rest of the way or you can build the complete lights. The idea of actually building some standard head assembly for a multi-led 38mm head is very exciting and would be a long lived product as it can become the standard head for multi-led modders for now and into the future. This would create demand for Al as well. A multi led heatsink of copper would add a nice touch for the high end crowd. I am told there is no thermal advantage for copper over Al but it looks nice and has that nice added weight.

    At the minimum, a 38mm head with some kind of integrated tri-led heatsink and a lens would be a killer kit that would sell strong in both Ti and Al. The integrated tail/tube makes (in my opinion) a better looking and stronger light. Using the McClicky integrated into the tail would be nice although I am not sure of the power levels these clickys can handle.

    I think you came up with an exciting product set and we are all looking forward to your designs. I do agree with Donn that the proto is not the best looking but judging by what you guys have built in the past I am confident that the production design will be fantastic.

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    I just saw the proto 38mm head from pictures earlier.

    I'm sure this will look nice in Ti however I think the base of the head
    is a bit squarish so I'm presuming the body would have a neck
    that tapers out to meet the base of the head?

    Its hard to visualise without pictures of the head connected to the body.
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    Daniel, sorry for the confusion I created when I mentioned the proto head. I call it that by name, not as a prototype of the EDC-Flex 38mm head, the shape of which is open for discussion.

    I am leaning towards a Superflashlight-style design. Another option Eric mentioned is something similar to the TnC SF series 27 mm head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LED Zeppelin View Post
    Daniel, sorry for the confusion I created when I mentioned the proto head. I call it that by name, not as a prototype of the EDC-Flex 38mm head, the shape of which is open for discussion.

    I am leaning towards a Superflashlight-style design. Another option Eric mentioned is something similar to the TnC SF series 27 mm head.
    Thanks for the clarification Dennis

    Yes, a bigger Superflashlight-style head in Titanium would look very nice
    in my opinion.
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    I'd go for a 38mm Superflashlight/Hyperlux etc model. A nice set of fins at the rear and a band of TnC's signature knurling near the front end.

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    I'm running out the door so I can't go into much detail, but I thought I'd leave you with a few drawings of the new EDC-Flex Ti 38mm head. I should have clarified there is no knurling on these heads, as Ti can be problematic for knurling. This may be a feature included in the aluminum heads if that's what folks want. I think Chris came up with some sharp looking heads here. Also if we avoid milling or extra machine steps we can help keep the price down, but still the cost of materials is the main factor in Ti. I should have a price for these to post tonight. It's hard for me to know what to charge with the material costs so high already.

    If we can find lenses quickly we might have just the heads available quickly. We've decided to go ahead and offer heads separately for those who don't want a complete light/kit, but there might be an extra delay with the heads due to sourcing the lenses. Is there a consensus whether the lenses should be saphire or UCL?

    We've been considering some heat sink designs and I'll try to post some of these ideas tonight, but please keep your input coming. We are leaning towards an aluminum heat sink for various reasons: cost, corrosion, and weight mostly.

    Some thoughts on battery tubes. We're moving ahead with the 18650 designs, but is there any interest in Ti C-Flex standard or custom milled tubes? I think that might be nice and a first for runtime in a complete Ti light.



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    Now that is way better looking than the proto head. Nice!

    I would vote for saphire for the lens as this is positioned as a high end unit.

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    I would definitely prefer Sapphire window please

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    Love the head design!

    I'd vote sapphire on a Ti light.

    I'd love to see Ti C-Flex bodies. If the knurling problem applies to bodies as well, how about milled grooves in the high areas, for gription?

    Here's an idea of a larger head on C-Flex tubes:





    Personally, I'd rather see the C-Flex built for A123 cells, but I can live with AW C size. I run a single A123 and a spacer in that 2-cell tube.

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    The head design looks great Eric!

    Sapphire lens would be ideal, though I wouldn't have a problem with a UCL.

    Depending on the configuration of the multi-LED sink, I'd like to see an appropriate tube capable of powering it, whatever that may be.

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    bmstrong
    I'm interested in Titanium heads and bodies as well.
    The more pressing question I have? How about a simple CR123 twisty pack?


    The E Series from my view was not designed for a twisty if that’s the question. The heads can still be used for lock out however and that’s why I think the integrated tail is fine since you don’t need it for lock out.

    Are there other CR123 Ti Twisties built? This is something we will probably look at some time if we see demand, such as a large version of the Micro-Flex.

    easilyled
    I'm also interested to know if TNC is considering designing any heads/canisters
    that can utilize the spectacular SSC P7 led.


    We’ve been checking the P7 out and I expect we will build these.

    JohnTz
    At the minimum, a 38mm head with some kind of integrated tri-led heatsink and a lens would be a killer kit that would sell strong in both Ti and Al. The integrated tail/tube makes (in my opinion) a better looking and stronger light. Using the McClicky integrated into the tail would be nice although I am not sure of the power levels these clickys can handle.


    I believe the switch is capable of 25w and 30w spikes, but I could be wrong. That should do for these heads IMO.

    donn_
    I'd love to see Ti C-Flex bodies. If the knurling problem applies to bodies as well, how about milled grooves in the high areas, for gription?
    Here's an idea of a larger head on C-Flex tubes:
    Personally, I'd rather see the C-Flex built for A123 cells, but I can live with AW C size. I run a single A123 and a spacer in that 2-cell tube.


    We have a number of milled custom C-Flex patterns machined and more that were designed. If you go to the bottom of the C-Flex thread I discussed some of the possibilities of even one-offs etc. There’s an exciting pattern I hope we can pull off at some point.

    The EDC-Flex should look better than the A3 on the C-Flex IMO. The Ti bodies would call for Ti adaptors as well. Perhaps we could design them to look optimal depending on the applicable heads attached.

    I hear you. We’ve been discussing the Emoli or A123s for different applications. This might come into play with the 18650 sizes as well.
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    Put me down for:

    1. Head:
    27mm (what reflector would it use?) & 38mm (depending on price)
    2. Tube/tail: 18650 & CR123
    3. LED: Whatever!
    4. Driver: GDuP
    5. Finish: Titanium! Is it possible to get it blasted?

    NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    john

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    Great looking head, Eric.
    Call me crazy but, I liked the design of the Proto 38mm head.

    Any 38mm or 27mm head would be a great hit.
    Titanium would be a nice touch, but I prefer HA NAT.

    All this sounds very promising.
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    FF call is lumenator

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    The 38mm head looks beautiful. Would look great on the 27mm long head as well

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    Eric-
    C-flex compatibility would be nice. I'm not a big fan of the narrowing before the head look. It seems too fragile. If an adapter is needed to '"fill it in" then I'm all for it.

    I'd vote for a sapphire window.
    I'm in for a couple in Ti.
    T

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    Quote Originally Posted by jch79 View Post
    Put me down for:

    1. Head: 27mm (what reflector would it use?) & 38mm (depending on price)
    2. Tube/tail: 18650 & CR123
    3. LED: Whatever!
    4. Driver: GDuP
    5. Finish: Titanium! Is it possible to get it blasted?

    NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    john
    The 27mm head would use the 27XR or 27L-S reflector. I also like the old 27mm short reflectors used in the LavaLamp or A1. If there is interest we could build a small run of those as well.

    Sure we could bead blast parts, or you could just do it yourself.

    I don't know on the GDuP. I'd opt for the Piglet; those are two level buck/boost boards and have been around for a couple years. Besides they are available now.

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    I'm posting the estimated pricing for the 38mm heads in Ti and bare aluminum. I'm trying to keep the price affordable so these can be attainable. Seriously though I am keeping the markup on these pretty low.

    The price estimated at this time for a 38mm Ti shell/bezel/0-ring is $299. We will offer anodizing or plating on the aluminum 38mm heads, but the preliminary bare aluminum cost for empty heads is $87.00. This is for a very small run. If interest justifies a larger run the cost may come down. We are sourcing sapphire and UCL lenses for these heads. We are going to try to match the lenses to the A3 Aleph specs. so folks can order these lenses as well for use in their existing heads. I'll try to have pricing for lenses perhaps some time next week. I paid retail for the 38mm reflectors I have and will just pass on this cost at about $20 each along with the purchase of heads for the 14-18 pcs. reflectors I have.

    The optional aluminum heat sinks for multi LED applications could take on a number of forms, but at this point it looks like we'll construct aluminum sinks that thread into the E Series threads in place of a regular canister. This will likely require a two piece threaded sink using a canister to accomplish the goal of a modular sink that can thread in and out of heads and allow for contact to reach the battery in the tubes. Now's the time to raise the issue of what popular boards sizes may be desired.

    While we're at it we might make some Ti Crenulated bezels for 38mm heads as well as aluminum bezels. Ti Crenulated bezel might run about $130 and bare aluminum might be about $45, depending on interest.

    We have various multi LED designs, one of which actually uses (3) threaded TnC canisters into the sink. This allows unlimited flexibility in a number of parameters although it also adds to the cost. Some of the advantages may seem obvious, others might not be so obvious. In this way you could easily swap canisters to vary the output, beam pattern, program, and LEDs in use. If this application doesn't materialize here then we plan to use our idea in other builds so I won't elaborate unless there is interest at this time. Thanks
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    I would be interested in a 20mm head, CR123 body,Seoul, Piglet, Bare and potentially Black HA....obviously the 38mm with 3 Led's looks interesting!

    jeffb

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    Great news Eric and fair pricing as well.

    I'm in for a Ti 38 mm head, alum 38 mm head, alum crenelated bezel, and two multi-LED heatsinks for them.

    I may be in for a Ti crenelated bezel as well depending on the compatibility with the Aleph 3 head.

    Interesting concepts for the canister/heatsink design. I'm looking forward to seeing some drawings of your ideas. The initial cost may well be worth it as you could easily swap canisters and update the light at any time.

    For the 27 mm head, the shorter original McR27 and a K2 would be a great combo.

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    An Aleph 1 type head (short 27mm reflector) would be great in Ti due to it being lighter then one for the 27mm long.

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    ..38mm Ti shell/bezel/0-ring is $299..
    Two for me, please.

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    I'm in for one 38mm Ti head, don't need the standard bezel but would upgrade to the crenulated one. I also would have interest in the tri-led sink. In fact what I really want is a turnkey tri-led light if that's the way your heading. Please keep us informed on the pricing for the tailtube, etc.

    thanks,
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    I'd love a head that took the original McR27 as well.

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    Well from a quick count in this thread I see interest for only 11x EDC-Flex 38mm Ti heads. I quoted a figure for 25x to be machined. I'll likely keep some of these for myself but I don't want to have that many on my hands. I guess if we don't reach the 25x then I could still move ahead but might have to pass on higher machining costs from an even smaller run, as I want to get these machined without delay if we are going to do this. We'll try to source the lenses next week.

    I agree on the McR-27. It's just there never was an E Series head run with the 27L (and variants) as far as I know and I thought there might be demand. I'm a little surprised there isn't more interest in the smaller heads, aluminum parts, or this project in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogus1 View Post
    I'm a little surprised there isn't more interest in the smaller heads, aluminum parts, or this project in general.


    I think putting Titanium in the title would bring in interest. What Led Zep did with the thread in Custom B/S/T would also help

    "TnC 38mm Titanium Head / Bezel / Window Interest List"

    I would also be looking for a full Titanium Head / Body / Tail Cap setup with Tri-Led Sink.

    I also like the idea of Titanium regular 27mm head with K2 TFFC

    I like the slimmer tube of 123A and 18650 rather than the way a C tube joins the head (as shown in a picture above). Also charging a C cell requires a different charger, so I would like to stick to 123A, 17670 and 18650 cell tubes.

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    I would also be interested in a 38mm Titanium Head / Body / Tail Cap setup
    with Tri-Led Sink (or P7 arrangement if this became possible instead)

    Like dmdrewitt, I'd prefer a thinner cell-body (ie. not wider than for 18650
    cells)
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    So far any and all Ti parts are snapped up on the Custom and Modified B/S/T forum. I would buy just one part and wait for the rest of the parts to materialize. I would commit to buying one Ti 38mm head with heatsink for Tri-P4 or Tri-Cree on 16mm star and one 27mm Ti head to start.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogus1 View Post
    Well from a quick count in this thread I see interest for only 11x EDC-Flex 38mm Ti heads. I quoted a figure for 25x to be machined. I'll likely keep some of these for myself but I don't want to have that many on my hands. I guess if we don't reach the 25x then I could still move ahead but might have to pass on higher machining costs from an even smaller run, as I want to get these machined without delay if we are going to do this. We'll try to source the lenses next week.

    I agree on the McR-27. It's just there never was an E Series head run with the 27L (and variants) as far as I know and I thought there might be demand. I'm a little surprised there isn't more interest in the smaller heads, aluminum parts, or this project in general.
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    I guess the 38mm beign a rarer size, has more interest to the Ti freaks right now.. but I can bet, if you build those 27mm heads they will sell like hotcakes also...Its just not everyone posts or sees this thread.

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    Totally agree. If you could machine Aleph type lights in Ti similiar to what mirage_man did recently, I believe you would have enough demand to do a large run and keep the price down.

    Bob

    Quote Originally Posted by Cuso View Post
    I guess the 38mm beign a rarer size, has more interest to the Ti freaks right now.. but I can bet, if you build those 27mm heads they will sell like hotcakes also...Its just not everyone posts or sees this thread.

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