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    Data,

    Do you have any plans to do some of your 007's in aluminum HAIII?
    -Goatee

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    Quote Originally Posted by :)> View Post
    Data,

    Do you have any plans to do some of your 007's in aluminum HAIII?
    Look in the four thousand post Spy 007 thread, the answer is in there!

    You should look before asking these questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Data View Post
    A titanium light is an exotic toy. Many of you have asked if there will be an aluminum 007. One of my goals is to produce more lights in aluminum. I make the titanium 007. Almost every part comes from my machine shop. I am attempting to master titanium and it is not clear to me if I will make the future aluminum SPY body parts or have my partner (Keith) do the future aluminum parts (I will probably do the turned parts as they are easy on my lathe). When depends on my partner’s shop schedule.
    This is from the "Introducing the Spy007" thread, second post. It was in December, so I have no idea if things have changed. I think only Dave can answer that one.

    Goatee - keep saving and go for the ti, it's worth it.
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    Chris, you made it too easy on the goat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    Look in the four thousand post Spy 007 thread, the answer is in there!

    You should look before asking these questions.


    I thought for 30 seconds about looking for it and then I figured that I would take the abuse in hopes that the anwers would come after it
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    Chris, you made it too easy on the goat!
    What can I say ? I've read each of those threads about a hundred times. Besides, I wanna help Goat spend his money, I'm sure his wife would be cool with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nystrpr View Post
    This is from the "Introducing the Spy007" thread, second post. It was in December, so I have no idea if things have changed. I think only Dave can answer that one.

    Goatee - keep saving and go for the ti, it's worth it.
    Chris,

    Thank you for the info! I may not be able to help myself if he makes more titanium ones but it will cause trouble with my wife

    I am interested in an aluminum HA version because of the weight savings and um... the cost savings.
    -Goatee

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    But there is already a very nice aluminum light in this family, the 005. I think the 007's bare metal styling is better suited for titanium than aluminum. Natural HA would look pretty uninviting. Hmm, maybe in black HA...

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    Paul,

    Your endorsement keeps on playing in the back of my mind, and more and more, I have began to like the styling of the 005... still, I prefer the 007's styling the most.
    -Goatee

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    A bare aluminum 007 would look awesome beat up and scratched to hell and back. Wouldnt suit may tastes around here though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by :)> View Post
    Paul,

    Your endorsement keeps on playing in the back of my mind, and more and more, I have began to like the styling of the 005... still, I prefer the 007's styling the most.
    I think it's best to get the one you really want, which in this case means the 007. If the financial consequence is that you skip a few other lights for a while, it will just make you appreciate the 007 more.

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    I love my 007. But it is quite heavy, and to tell the truth, the Ti is not much but bling. Now that said, I love love love the Ti bling. If a diamond is a girl's best friend, Titanium is probably the closest thing to man's best friend (not counting canines).
    Only reason I'd want to have an aluminum SPY is for performance reasons.
    Lighter weight and better heat dissipation. I'd love to have an aluminum SPY 009 with a more powerful emitter, say, a Seoul P7, or whatever is better down the line in the future.

    The industrial designer in me already sees the styling possibilities...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwood View Post
    and to tell the truth, the Ti is not much but bling.
    In this case, "truth" is in the eye of the beholder! The advantages that a Ti light has are many - discussion of which would probably take this thread would too far OT, not to mention revisit an often-discussed topic here on CPF.

    All that said, there are advantages and disadvantages to Al and Ti lights; and the "truth", if there is one, comes down to the user whose hand that light is in!

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    Last edited by jch79; 06-07-2008 at 10:58 PM.

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    Another vote here for a aluminum run, I own a 005 and love it. I am in the minority in that Ti holds no fascination for me. Don't let that killer design reside in Ti only, how about Damascus????


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    Quote Originally Posted by TIP AND RING View Post
    how about Damascus????
    Now youre talking!

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    Data,

    Do you have any plans to do some of your 007's in aluminum HAIII?
    Goatee, I don't know if there will ever be an aluminum 007, at this point I have no plans to to do it. I think titanium fits the image of the 007 best.

    The next aluminum SPY is coalescing in my head but it is not yet, in any way, in my schedule. I am focused on making 007's right now and not much else. However, having said that, I appreciate all your input and I do hear you about wanting another aluminum SPY.




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    Quote Originally Posted by TIP AND RING View Post
    Another vote here for a aluminum run, I own a 005 and love it. I am in the minority in that Ti holds no fascination for me. Don't let that killer design reside in Ti only, how about Damascus????

    I got quoted $450 for a piece of stainless spirograph Damascus (enough metal to make one single SPY). I said yes but the guy never got back to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Data View Post
    The next aluminum SPY is coalescing in my head but it is not yet, in any way, in my schedule. I am focused on making 007's right now and not much else.
    Things seem to work out pretty good in that mind of yours! The 007 is a beauty. I will keep my eyes open for your next run and what is coming next.

    -Goatee

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    Quote Originally Posted by :)> View Post
    Things seem to work out pretty good in that mind of yours! The 007 is a beauty. I will keep my eyes open for your next run and what is coming next.

    Goat,

    It is clear you appreciate fine lights and are more than willing to trade your gal for one [insert link here]! Check the back of the couch/sofa and I'm sure you find enough to cover the 007 plus change.

    (Goat sold me my first TiPD-S and is one of the main reasons I've laughed so hard and stayed here!)

    I love you man but don't distract the Dave from 'da bizness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Data View Post
    I am focused on making 007's right now and not much else.
    And I'm focused on trying to catch the next wave. Though if someone finds their Spy 7 weighing too heavily in their pocket, I'd be willing to help them lighten their load.

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    Well, I hope you reconsider doing an 007 in something less expensive... though I'm not sure how my 005 could be improved

    OTOH, how about something exotic and maybe harder to machine than Titanium? The early NSX came with a key made with Monel - very corrosion resistant, very nice looking, and apparently hard to machine.

    See keys here: http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/General/nsxkeys.htm
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    Default Re: Spy 007 in Aluminum?

    LOL, so we really need a Tungsten SPY or Depleted Uranium SPY?





    OK, maybe Tungsten, LOL, and I thought the Titanium SPY 007 was heavy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Data View Post
    I got quoted $450 for a piece of stainless spirograph Damascus (enough metal to make one single SPY). I said yes but the guy never got back to me.
    Sent you an email, Dave!

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    The spirograph SS Damascus came in this week. At about 2 lb it is enough to make one light. I am not sure how difficult it it will be to hold the lathe parts as they are going to be short blocks. Of course lathe parts are normally cut from long bar. The price of the metal was $716.63. I am not going to run the metal till the end of the production run of titanium because I do not know how many tools it may destroy. Everything about a Damascus Spy is difficult and so I do not know how long this will take. It is low priority right now but looking like it may happen eventually.

    I can't make the 007 body out of harder material than titanium or SS. The battery tube pocket is difficult to machine as is. The Damascus body may be stretching some of the operations too, we will see. The pocket could be EDM but that is not in my bag of tricks.

    Keith and I have mastered the finish on the 007 bodies. I am very excited to show them to you. Maybe I should take some pictures . . .


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    If you could I would like to see some pictures of the new batch. Also Damascus would be cool but spendy from the cost of the material. To bad a guy couldn't get his hands on some timascus.
    Once things leave my hands I am not responsible for what happens.

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    I think an Al 007 would not hurt the 007 image, because Al is very different material, people will always regard Ti much much more expensive in material and machining cost.
    Dave, I dare you to make a hundred Al 007, if it's not sold out in a week I'll take all the remaining light .

    Quote Originally Posted by Data View Post
    Goatee, I don't know if there will ever be an aluminum 007, at this point I have no plans to to do it. I think titanium fits the image of the 007 best.

    The next aluminum SPY is coalescing in my head but it is not yet, in any way, in my schedule. I am focused on making 007's right now and not much else. However, having said that, I appreciate all your input and I do hear you about wanting another aluminum SPY.




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    Default Re: Spy 007 in Aluminum?

    NO DOUBT there would be just plenty of demand for a SPY 007 in aluminium. The fact that the 007 is made of titanium is only one reason among many other why it is so much in demand. If I had a choice I would have seriously considered the aluminium model.


    I believe there is plenty room for an aluminium version of the 007, now it's only a matter of Dave's choice to go that route or not. I'm quite sure the profit per light might not be as interresting for the maker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tino_ale View Post
    I'm quite sure the profit per light might not be as interresting for the maker.
    Pretty rude statement, no doubt.

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    I am wondering whether it would be even practical to take the exact
    machining formula from Ti to Al for the SPY007.

    Some of the milling leaves such a fine pattern in the Ti, that it may
    not be practical in Al because the latter will wear so much more quickly.

    IMO, the beauty of the milling and carving in the SPY007 exploits the
    properties of Ti to its maximum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EricMack View Post
    Pretty rude statement, no doubt.

    There must be a misunderstanding. There was nothing negative in my statement, no need to see the bad where there is none of it. Unless the financial aspect of custom projects is taboo there is nothing negative in saying that the profit is *part* of the equation for the maker. I say it is *one* aspect for the maker to consider, nothing more, nothing less!

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