DaFAB - the body of the second light from the right on the bottom row of your E-series photo almost looks silver it has been so worn
Do you have another photo of it?
I am once again away from most of my collection, so photos of my own are unfortunately not possible. Just got a DSLR though, so I'll definitely make an effort to do some collection photos when I get back.
I'm surviving on just 2 M6s at the moment
That seems like a good idea so - I made up a few using Koa, Cocobolo, and Amboyna Burl. I listed them in this thread
Now I can see the darkness .
Well now that ive gone through all of those pages and seen everybody else's collections mine looks a little puny but ohh well im proud of it. Most all of my lights get used on a regular basis. See if you can figure which one was my first/favorite...
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The benefit of having the light parallel to, and so close to the longitudinal axis of the barrel is that in CQB the rounds hit where the light beam shines. This is important for those wearing 'gas masks' and working in tight, dust/smoke/blast etc filled rooms. There's also reduced chance of the bezel catching on things such as slings, clothing and whatnot.
Another benefit in these operations is that with multiple operators it is possible to get an idea of which targets are being covered [and which parts of the room or which people aren't]
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If the design was not workable or the downsides outweighed the advantages I'm certain that SureFire's close involvement with many of the world's finest special forces units would have seen it change long ago.
That trade off is a very good one, specially in a cqb weapon like the mp5, and if like you said the disadvantages dont compromise the light functionality, its logical the design path they chose, i really think they have had this in consideration, and decided this way, i even think its possible it was a recommendation from someone on the field, i imagine in a cqb weapon were the light beam is offset from the target it can be very uncomfortable on a reflex situation.
then again i dont know jack regarding firearms and weapon lights...
B&W gives your photo a lot of class. Especially adding those sunglasses.
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Prolly millionaire in $$$, and bazillionaire in lumens with all those lights he got!
I don't really see why 1" or 2" would matter in terms of hitting the target. The beam pattern is sufficiently wide that it's hard to believe that such a small offset matters. Anyway, you aim using your sights. If you were using a laser aiming device, then as close to coaxial mounting would matter a lot more. If you have a mask, you ought to have a red dot sight, which is vastly easier to use than irons. IMO, a dot sight is far more valuable than a small offset of the light. Also, in room entries, each operator has an assigned sector to clear. He's not focusing on someone else's beam of light. If he is, he's not paying attention to his sector, risking his and his teammates lives. The deal is that each operator has to trust that his teammates are doing their job.
If the offset were so critical, then I'm surprised that SureFire designed the M500, M900, shotgun foreends, and universal weaponlights the way they have -- with a larger offset than for the MP5. Here is an M900A on a suppressed Colt SMG.
Here's the old universal weaponlight for an AR-15/M16.
Another downside of such a small offset is that you can't fit a suppressor.
I've used the offset adapter for my MP5 and it works fine in CQB (I removed the suppressor and put it on the Colt for this series of photos). IMO, it is also important to have a constant-on capability for two-handed weapons. If I have to carry something or someone with my offside arm, I can't operate the fore-end light very easily.
Last edited by Justin Case; 01-31-2009 at 05:43 AM.
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i am currently looking for my first surefire ligt and was considering a 6p but on one of the posts i have seen a 3p but cannot find them on surefires website? any info would greatly be appreciated as i would love a 3p as my first surefire
Four surefires and counting, this could be expensive