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    Default ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    this is my attempt to start a thread on this subject for those of us planning on doing a DIY with the trits and pistons for our PDs. i have never done anything like this and would like to ask a few questions about installing the trits. how hard is this to do? is it recommended that i get someone to do this for me? i would imagine that once the acrylic is dried its a done deal. i would hate to screw it up only to find that the pistons and/or trits are no longer available. i enjoy the occasional DIY but dont want to risk a fail. also there is the question of what product to use to seal the trit into the piston.

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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Great thread.
    Where do you get the trit vials from? Or where can you get super lume powder?

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    /\ the cpf member b@rt is supplying the trits exclusivly from what i understand for the pistons. to reserve the trits you give b@rt your order number from the piston order. there is a thread in the dealers corner. i actually created this thread because i cant post in the dealers corner. im assuming its because im new here. so i figured others cant as well. also i didnt want to cloud up that thread with DIY questions.

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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Clark:

    Have you registered at the CPFM forum?

    The two forums, CPF and CPFM, are two different forums. You need to register in each separate forum in order to participate in them.

    It may seem to be cumbersome to be split in two, but there are advantages. For example, when one site is down for maintenance, the other site is still up. For another, when one site is operating like molasses, the other one is often running smoothly.

    P.S. This thread would be more appropriately titled, "EX10 Slotted Piston, Trit Vial Thread". The slotted piston is not an option for the D10 at the present time. [EDIT: My bad. The trit thread linked to the EX10 product page. I didn't see that the D10 slotted piston is available on another web page.]
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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo_Lane View Post
    Great thread.
    Where do you get the trit vials from? Or where can you get super lume powder?
    The best place to get the glow powder or paint, is GlowInc.com. The user here on CPF is Slylighter. I am sure that most here on CPF will agree that this is the best stuff available, especially the green.

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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Nitroz View Post
    The best place to get the glow powder or paint, is GlowInc.com. The user here on CPF is Slylighter. I am sure that most here on CPF will agree that this is the best stuff available, especially the green.
    Their V10 green is the brightest I've used but I was not happy with the particle size at all. Anyone who has used it will know what I'm talking about. The grains are so large they are very noticeable when mixed in epoxy. I guess it doesn't bother some cause I've seen a few mods with it but it really bothers me. Their blue is not so bad.

    I like the powders from www.readysetglo.com
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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Thanks for the link darkzero.

    Are their powders or paints much dimmer compared to glowinc stuff ?

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    so what is the best epoxy to use to install tritium vials?

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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ClarkWGrizwald View Post
    so what is the best epoxy to use to install tritium vials?
    You'll probably get many responses of Norland 61 since that's what Don (McGizmo) uses, but to be honest I've had perfect, professional results with the Devcon stuff. Just make sure you get the slower curing one that dries clear. Works like a charm, and is self leveling as it dries, so it sort of smoothes itself out.

    Oh and the Devcon is available at places like MalWart for a few bucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stillphoto View Post
    You'll probably get many responses of Norland 61 since that's what Don (McGizmo) uses, but to be honest I've had perfect, professional results with the Devcon stuff. Just make sure you get the slower curing one that dries clear. Works like a charm, and is self leveling as it dries, so it sort of smoothes itself out.

    Oh and the Devcon is available at places like MalWart for a few bucks.
    +1 for the Devcon stuff, don't bang your head too much about it, grab some and try it for yourself... I use it all the time, and it cures nicely. Just mix it slowly to avoid bubbles and use a small pointy object to apply. If you screw up, boil and repeat.

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    so no problems with boiling a tritum vial? concievably if i screw up ill be having to boil the tritium vial as well.

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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Cuso View Post
    +1 for the Devcon stuff, don't bang your head too much about it, grab some and try it for yourself... I use it all the time, and it cures nicely. Just mix it slowly to avoid bubbles and use a small pointy object to apply. If you screw up, boil and repeat.
    Are you suggesting you can easily remove the Devcon epoxy if you mess up with the work? Interresting if you can confirm that. If so I need to get some of this stuff

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    /\ agreed. can you only boil that stuff and not the more expensive kind?

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    Yes you can, it will turn the epoxy into a gummy stuff you can remove. The vial is made of glass, no problem either.. Its not an easy task though, you will have to be patient on the removal , so you don't damage the vial in the process... But in general, yes it can be done. Norland can be boiled too, same results.

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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    How well does the Devcon sand if I get the top of the epoxy sticking up over the top of the piston?

    I'm thinking this may be a good solution, as I already have some at home.

    Also, I'm thinking about applying some glow powder as a temporary filler until I get the tritium vial — I understand that it could be as long as two months!

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    I started a thread about a possible group buy for Norland 61 in the market place forum, in case anyone is interested.

    Which devcon epoxy have people used? The 5 minute version?

    Does anyone know if the Norland 61 also self-levels?

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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Nah the 5 minute version is very little time to get it going correctly. It would be the 30 minute version...Devcon 2 ton clear weld epoxy. I picked some up last night for under $2. Certainly outperforms other epoxy I've bought for 5 or 6 bucks.

    I would imagine the Norland stuff self levels. If you've seen any of McGizmo's vial installations, you know what I mean. Pretty much always ultra clean and smooth.
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    Has anyone every used the V-10 powder with epoxy? Does it glow for a long time? I have 3 pistons and I wanted one with GITD Powder, but not sure which one to use. Right now I have a 1/2" GITD 0-ring around the piston area from lighthound.
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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Stillphoto View Post
    I would imagine the Norland stuff self levels. If you've seen any of McGizmo's vial installations, you know what I mean. Pretty much always ultra clean and smooth.
    Actually not always.

    The Devcon 30 min epoxy self levels too. Most slow curing epoxies will.
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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Guys, thanks for the information here. I was a bit nervous about this mod myself and now I feel assured that the DevCon will work and if I mess up I can start over.

    -Forrest

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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    This is Devcon 2 Ton...I used a syringe, but a pointy object like a pin shall do. I thought I was going to mess this one up , but it self leveled fine and looks good.



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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Has anyone heard what kind of a time frame we're looking at on the tritium vials being available?

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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Bart has said a few times that it's mid to late September at this point.
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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jag-engr View Post
    Has anyone heard what kind of a time frame we're looking at on the tritium vials being available?
    B@rt is now accepting payments and expects to have the vials in-hand on Monday to begin shipping!

    Oh, I do wish 4sevens would hurry up and get those clips — maybe that could make the wait a little easier...

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    ok people. vials are hitting the mail. time to stop dilly dallying and get this going! what do i need a syringe for? how would i use a pin instead? is the key to it not putting to much in the slot so it goes over the edge?? i need a tutorial!

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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Just practice on something less valuable - maybe use a toothpick instead of a vial, and epoxy it into a scratched piece of wood.
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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    I recently purchased some V10 powder and installed it in a D10 piston with some epoxy. This powder works great. I used blue painters tape to tape off the slot, then filled it with the epoxy/V10 mix using a toothpick. I used a flat piece of cardboard to scrape off the extra epoxy mix. When it looked level, I peeled the blue tape off so the epoxy wouldn't set and glue the tape. Very easy to do, just take your time. This option glows all night long, but is pretty dim. At first, it is very bright and glows very bright for about a half-hour with diminishing light. In the morning, I could still see it glowing from about 6 feet. Great alternative to a trit vial, even though I have some coming..
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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    I got some of the devcon 30min weld clear epoxy. I tried a batch and after 18h it is still tacky to the touch. Does this stuff ever harden to where it isn't sticky? I am a bit disappointed.
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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Thujone...The only times I've had that happen, it was because I didn't mix the two parts of the epoxy well enough / or I messed up on squeezing it out and my epoxy : hardener ratio got screwed up.

    I usually let it sit for a day afterwards anyways, but it should't be tacky after 18 hours.
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    Default Re: ex10/d10 slotted piston, trit vial thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Stillphoto View Post
    Thujone...The only times I've had that happen, it was because I didn't mix the two parts of the epoxy well enough / or I messed up on squeezing it out and my epoxy : hardener ratio got screwed up.

    I usually let it sit for a day afterwards anyways, but it should't be tacky after 18 hours.

    Thanks stillphoto, this is what I was thinking also, I thought perhaps the first shot wasn't balanced and also I maybe didnt mix ,long enough. I mixed up some more and will check it tonight when i get home.
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