New found respect for the Power On Board HID

[BlueBeam22]

So ummm... what exactly are you looking for up there in the sky?


BTW glad you got your POB up and running again, was it a battery, switch or bulb issue?

Hello M@elstrom!

I just like shining them up into the sky to see the bright beams, and also to light up low lying clouds.

My POB had a battery problem, and I had trouble with it since I first got it.
It then completely died, so I took the battery out of my Pro's Favorite 17.5mcp and put it in the POB, and it has been working perfectly ever since. It is easy to swap the battery back into the Pro's Favorite, but I now favor the POB and always use it.

[M@elstrom]

That's great I'm glad you sorted out the POB's issue, hey instead of constantly swapping the battery why not just pick up another SLA for it?


FWIW I lent my HID project to my father-in-law (who also owns a Pro's Favourite 17.5Mcp) and he's likes the performance of it so much now I can't talk my way out of producing a Mark II version using his spotlight as the host base

[BlueBeam22]

That's great I'm glad you sorted out the POB's issue, hey instead of constantly swapping the battery why not just pick up another SLA for it?

Thanks, I will do that soon.

FWIW I lent my HID project to my father-in-law (who also owns a Pro's Favourite 17.5Mcp) and he's likes the performance of it so much now I can't talk my way out of producing a Mark II version using his spotlight as the host base

Just based on the performance and laser like throw of my 35W POB HID I know your 55W Pro's Favorite HID must be absolutely amazing! I can see why he would want to have one.

[M@elstrom]

Thanks for your vote of confidence... seeing as these kits come as a pair generally (motorcycle kits being the exception) I'll now have an excuse to modify my new Arlec RT3500 rechargeable spotlight host (3.5Mcp) it's certainly a more manageable size


BTW if you happen to stumble on a higher capacity SLA for your Pro's Favourite please be sure post your findings, I'm sure I'll not be the only interested party

[Flashanator]

hmmm, that RT3500 sounds worth lookn at for HID material.

[M@elstrom]

One downside to the RT3500 is it's 6v 4Ah SLA's (in series) 4 Amps wont last too long powering up the HID ballast/lamp not considering I only get around 40 minutes with a 7Ah SLA

Perhaps a battery upgrade and/or going with a 35w HID kit could be a better option for run times?

[Flashanator]

Its hard when dealing with bulky SLA. Id just assume avoid SLA unless you want short run times. But the Lithium is expensive & maybe not worth it for sum ppl with a mod like this?

good luck

BTW, the small RT500 is proving good for my small Mini HID built-in diffuser mod. with Lion batt.

[DArklite]

Has anyone swapped the SLA battery in the POB with a Li-ION?
If so, where can I get a Li-ION battery that will fit?

[Flashanator]

If it's going to replace the original 7ah SLA, then figure out what max weight you want the Li-Ion to be. 500grams 11.1v Lion would probably be around 8ah & be in the perfect middle (weight/runtime). And would easily out do the original 12v 7ah SLA. My 14.4v 12ah lion fits in the space of a 12v 7ah. LOL

Then get someone to build it for you like Batteryspace. aussies get hit hard with shipping from states tho.

[M@elstrom]

Yes the RT500 looks like a nice host for a HID modding project and speaking from a personal point-of-view it's also a better package aesthetically than the N30 to my eye (no offense intended to N30 aficionados)

[Patriot]

Has anyone swapped the SLA battery in the POB with a Li-ION?
If so, where can I get a Li-ION battery that will fit?

http://www.batteryspace.com/index.as...&Category=1003

[Flashanator]

M@elstorm, The RT500 is great, its very small. I reckon I could have tightly fitted a 35w Ballast & small 11.1v Li-Ion batt (around 4-6ah) in the light without any modes.

But I opted for 55w ballast & 8.5ah Li-Ion. All I needed was to cut a section of the back out to allow for the small extra H & W. Probably better too, as allow for cooling on ballast. (After 20mins ballast wasn't really warm)

Producing near 4000lumens & weighing under 2KG, it's a RAWW animalistic sexual Beast to hold in my hands.

Best to use a H3 HID Bulb as the H7 comes within ~2mm of the reflector Glass. Plus I assume H3 would give better throw. Mine is pure flood.

[DArklite]

http://www.batteryspace.com/index.as...&Category=1003

Thanks for that, Patriot!
Once I get a Li-ION pack and 4300K bulb mod done on my POB, I'll be looking for excuses to use it more often. I'll also need to get another POB, since Murphy's Law has a greater chance of coming into play during the mod if I only have one.
My neighbors should really love me after this

[Flashanator]

thats great,

that will give your POB a huge much needed boost. You will deff want to use it more.

[irv_usc]

how about a DIY Li-ion battery pack?

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=200386

not bad for 8.8 Ah

[M@elstrom]

Great!


just keep it up... now I'm pondering a RT500 build myself! LOL

[Flashanator]

My Mini HID which uses the little RT500 housing is puny in size.

I went for a bike ride in pitch black holding it. Its so lite & yet gives such HUGEEEEE amount of flood. Only way to top it would be to use the Xeray 75w ballast. Now that would double the lumens. OHH BOYYY.

[Illum]

Does anyone if a POB would throw further than a N30 or the new L35?

no, read this N30 First Impressions
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=208074

its interesting to note that bigger reflectors does not mean an advantage in throw

[Flashanator]

its interesting to note that bigger reflectors does not mean an advantage in throw

Please explain.



LOL if a POB isn't out throwing a N30 even with 6000K then theres a problem.

I find it a little hard that a N30 would even out throw a 10MCP.
But, I don't have a N30 so I cant be sure. I

[Illum]

I have a N30, no POB though
I'm as surprised as you are that these big gun owners are posting that the N30 can rival the POB despite the obvious differences in reflector diameter

[irv_usc]

Please explain.



LOL if a POB isn't out throwing a N30 even with 6000K then theres a problem.

I find it a little hard that a N30 would even out throw a 10MCP.
But, I don't have a N30 so I cant be sure. I

"even with" 6000k?

doesn't the N30 come with a 4300k bulb, which would produce more lumens?

[Flashanator]

yes to both

I meant the POB has 6000K & will still out throw the N30.

as Bluebeam will tell you.

[BlueBeam22]

The POB out throws the N30 by an easily noticeable amount and has a much more concentrated and laser like beam. The N30 has about 75-80% the throw of the POB, so it does do surprisingly well despite its small reflector. The N30 however puts out more light (lumens) than the POB and has a much larger hotspot which really helps it in the throw catagory.

While I have yet to have done a direct comparison between the N30 and 10mcp, the N30 lights up distant objects quite a bit brighter than what I remember my 10mcp Thor doing recently, it has a more concentrated beam than the 10mcp, AND it's putting out nearly twice as much light!

I will do a comparison tonight between the N30 and 10mcp just so I can confirm that the N30 out throws it, as I am 99% sure that it does.

My 10mcp only has a 100 watt H4 Halogen bulb, so it looks very dim and weak next to the N30. The POB has such a bright hotspot and concentrated beam it makes the 10mcp look like a Minimag.

The reason why I like the 6000K is because it makes a much more visible beam in the sky than 4200K, and I like the look of it as it is so unusual for a spotlight.

Illum the nation
I have a N30, no POB though
I'm as surprised as you are that these big gun owners are posting that the N30 can rival the POB despite the obvious differences in reflector diameter

The N30 does very well against the POB and is noticeable brighter than the POB outside at night. The N30 has much better beam quality than the POB as it has a large round hotspot as opposed to the POB's tiny pinpoint hotspot.
The N30 rivals the POB very well and ouperforms it in many ways. I was shining my N30 at some trees around 500 yards away and it put such a nice round and concentrated spot on them that I was blown away.

I am glad you like your new N30!

[BlueBeam22]

I just did the promised test and here are the results of the N30 vs. my "Sharper Image" 10mcp Thor:

The N30 stomped all over the 10mcp Thor! I shined them both at the top of a tree 100 yards away and the N30's hotspot was bigger and was 25% brighter than the Thor's hotspot.
I was also shining them on the ground in front of me and the 10mcp Thor didn't come close to the output of the N30. When both lights are shining on the ground together the N30 swallows up the Thor's spill so only the Thor's hotspot is visible.

I am amazed at the output of the N30, as its spill is much brighter than the POB's spill and much brighter than my Coleman LED spotlight's spill. The outer rings of sidespill from the N30 are enough to light up a 100+ yard field. The spill from the N30 was lighting up houses over 100 yards away to the side of where I was pointing it! It is way too bright to use in the neighborhood.

[Flashanator]

hmmm beamshots would tell the story better.

Sorry Im still not convinced at all...


Nah I Believe you.

or do i?

beamshots...

[BlueBeam22]

hmmm beamshots would tell the story better.

Sorry Im still not convinced at all...


Nah I Believe you.

or do i?

beamshots...

My 10mcp Thor's 100W halogen bulb is so dim and weak compared to even my 15mcp Thor with a 130W bulb. I believe the 10mcp puts out around 1900 lumens, while the N30 puts out over 3000. The poor 10mcp just can't compete. Your 230W 10mcp however would easily smoke the N30.

Sorry for not having beamshots yet.

[Flashanator]

is that 1900 lumens out the front? The 100w 10MCP should be in the range of ~2600lumens.

When i do use my 10MCP with 230w I only use it a little, it starts to sage in brightness otherwise. Your N30 is a high performance machine, yet only using 35watts, Its very Dam efficient.

[BlueBeam22]

is that 1900 lumens out the front? The 100w 10MCP should be in the range of ~2600lumens.

When i do use my 10MCP with 230w I only use it a little, it starts to sage in brightness otherwise. Your N30 is a high performance machine, yet only using 35watts, Its very Dam efficient.

I think it is 1900 out the front, but it may be more than that. I am pretty sure it is capable of producing a lot more lumens than it does since it is under driven by the little SLA batteries.

The N30 amazingly beat both the 15mcp and POB in a ceiling bounce, but I still need to put it against the Pro's Favorite. The Pro's Favorite does extra well in the ceiling bounce as its beam is a lot whiter (and seems brighter) than that of the Thor 15mcp, even if it isn't really producing more light than the 15mcp.

Your 230W Thor must have a truly awesome beam. I bet it has a lot of flood and a very bright, perfectly centered hotspot.

EDIT: I just did the ceiling bounce, with the Pro's Favorite hot off the charger, and the N30 won...
The N30 lit the room up much brighter than the ceiling fixture! I then turned on the Pro's Favorite and was amazed at how close it was. The N30 was clearly lighting the room up more but the Pro's Favorite did surprisingly well considering it uses a 120W Halogen.

[Flashanator]

is your 10MCP running off a 7ah sla? if so, maybe its damaged & not working properly?

in regards to my thor230w.

The hotspot & beam remains the same (130w) Not the best from the cheap reflector.
Running the extra 100w filament dumps a whole lot of light midway & below the beam. Buuuuuut My Mini HID stomps it in the ceiling bounce test & with a diffuser filter.


HID's are just too dam good.

[BlueBeam22]

is your 10MCP running off a 7ah sla? if so, maybe its damaged & not working properly?

in regards to my thor230w.

The hotspot & beam remains the same (130w) Not the best from the cheap reflector.
Running the extra 100w filament dumps a whole lot of light midway & below the beam. Buuuuuut My Mini HID stomps it in the ceiling bounce test & with a diffuser filter.


HID's are just too dam good.

I agree that nothing beats HID!
The Pro's Favorite was my brightest ceiling bounce light until the N30 came along.

My Sharper Image brand 10mcp runs off of twin 6 volt SLA batteries unlike a standard Thor which runs off of 1 12 volt SLA. The 10mcp is VERY bright and is just as bright as when I first bought it. I love my 10mcp and have taken good care of it.
The N30 is just so bright that even the 130W 15mcp Thor just CANNOT compete against it in sheer light output and spill.

I wish I could see your Mini HID in person... It must be absolutely shocking, I'm sure I would be in awe of it!