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    Cool ITP C7 1AA Review - Regular and Tactical Versions - RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, and more!

    Reviewer's Note: This is a new review of the ITP C7 1AA continuously-variable light - both the Regular and Tactical versions. Previously, I had posted a pre-review of the 1AA/2AA battery tubes on the pre-production Regular head - that thread has been replaced by this review and a full review of the ITP C8 2AA Regular and Tactical lights. Note that a lot of the background text is similar between this review and the C7 review. A sales thread for the C7/C8 lights is available in CPFM. The lights were provided by ITP for review.

    Warning: Pic heavy!



    The C7 is part of a series of new continuously-variable lights from ITP. The lights come with either a Tactical or Regular head that is interchangeable on three different battery/body tube configurations: 1xAA/14500 (C7), 2xAA (C8), and 1xCR123A/RCR (C9). The pre-production C9 Regular model was reviewed previously, and the shipping C8 Regular and Tactical versions have just been reviewed as well.

    Note that ITP has made individual body tubes/tailcaps available for sale, so you can mix-and-match components for different battery configurations with your preferred head unit (the Tactical and Regular versions differ slightly in circuit programming in the head).

    For those of you not familiar with ITP lights, they have one of the most intuitive and easy-to-use continuously-variable systems I've seen to date. Scroll down for a discussion of the user interface.



    The shipping versions of the C7s come in a standard cardboard box (identified as Tactical or Regular on the top). Included inside are the light, an attached wrist strap, instruction manual, warranty card, and a package of spare o-rings and an extra tailcap switch cover.

    C7 Weight: 76.2 g
    C7 Length: 107 mm (Regular), 110 mm (Tactical)
    C7 Width: 27 mm max (at heatsink fins on the head)



    Note the aluminum reflector - it's half textured and half smooth, similar to early Olights. In fact, it appears to be identical to the one used by Olight (i.e. same dimensions). This pattern is done to help smooth out the Cree rings around the hotspot, while maintaining decent throw.

    Here are some pics of the Regular version, with the pre-production C7 body and tailcap:




    And here is the new Tactical version with the shipping C7 body and tailcap:




    The quality of the wrist lanyard has improved on the shipping versions.

    Comparison of the tailcaps - Regular on the left, Tactical on the right.



    The C7 and C8 share the same tailcap and head - much like the Fenix LD10/LD20 or L1D/L2D. The common head features mild heatsinking fins near the base and rounded front edges near the glass lens. The C7 tailcap is more rounded than most lights in this class.



    The only visible build differences between the Regular and Tactical versions are are in terms of the tailcap - the Regular features a standard reverse clicky and can tailstand, while the Tactical has a protruding forward clicky that can't. Note that the 1xCR123A C9 has a distinct one-piece body/tailcap design that doesn't use a separate tailcap (i.e. similar to the NiteCore Extreme).

    Quality of the screw threads is very high. For the head portion of the body, ITP is using square flat-top thread (similar to JetBeam, although not quite as thick). Thread action is very smooth on all my ITP lights. : This is important, since ramp activation is controlled by loosening the head (again, scroll down for UI discussion). The tailcap has thinner anodized threads that allow for tailcap lockout.

    Fit and finish of the type III hard anodizing is very good on all samples - very even, with no discolorations or issues. Logo lettering is not as sharp on the pre-production body tubes as the final shipping versions, so keep that in mind as you look over the pics.

    One of my protected AW 14500s was a tight fit in the pre-production C7 body tube, but all fit fine on my shipping C7T sample. All my NiMH cells fit the C7/C8 bodies fine.


    From left to right: the ITP C7 Regular, LiteFlux LF5XT, Fenix L1D, NiteCore D10, NiteCore Defender Infinity, JetBeam Jet-I MK IBS.

    Features and User Interface

    All ITP lights share a common a continuously-variable output mechanism with memory. The Regular version (which comes with a reverse clicky) features an extra strobe and SOS mode, and the Tactical version (which comes with a protruding forward clicky) lacks the strobe/SOS modes. On Regular models, you switch between states (constant-on, strobe, SOS) by soft-pressing the clicky, or turning the light off/on with 5 secs. If you leave it off longer than 5 secs, the light will come back on at constant-on at whatever level you last memorized it at. I measured strobe at 9.5Hz on my sample. Forward clicky on the Tactical model is a straight-forward momentary on with soft press, click to lock-on.

    The continuously-variable UI is remarkably straight-forward: to activate the ramp, simply loosen the head slightly. This immediately starts the output ramping. When the light reaches the level you like, simply tighten the head to memorize that setting. To reverse the direction of the ramp, tighten and loosen the head again.

    Note that unlike the continuously-variable competition, this UI doesn't require any special manual dexterity (i.e. you don't need to perform a rapid twist switch or click repeatedly within a narrow time-window). Just loosen the head to ramp, tighten to save the setting. Very simple and intuitive.

    Turn the light on/off by the tailcap clicky. The light always comes back on at whatever level it was previously set to. Memory is retained even if you remove the battery. The light will flash rapidly 3 times when it reaches the min or max of its ramp.

    I believe ITP uses PWM in these lights ("constant-current" is how they describe it) - but the freq is high enough so that I can't detect it by eye or instrument.

    Comparison Beamshots

    All lights are on Sanyo Eneloop, on Max, and are ~0.5 meters from a white wall.





    The ITP C7 beam profile is identical to the Olights with the same partially textured reflector (not shown). This produces a nicely defined center hotspot with relatively few rings. Overall spillbeam width is narrower than most lights, due to the relatively deep reflector - similar the LiteFlux LF5XT. Tint is a premium white on all my ITP samples.

    Testing Method: All my output numbers are relative for my home-made light box setup, a la Quickbeam's flashlightreviews.com method. You can directly compare all my relative output values from different reviews - i.e. an output value of "10" in one graph is the same as "10" in another. All runtimes are done under a cooling fan, except for the extended run Lo/Min modes which are done without cooling.

    Throw values are the square-root of lux measurements taken at 1 meter from the lens, using a light meter.

    Throw/Output Summary Chart:



    Note that I haven't included the C7T results in the table yet - while Throw is unchanged, Overall Output is increased on standard batteries compared to the pre-production Regular version (see runtimes below for comparison). Throw is generally intermediate to the other lights here - it's not a huge thrower, but it typically throws more than most.

    Variable Output Ramping



    As you can see, the C7 ramp is relatively linear and faster than most of the competition. In fact, it is virtually identical to the NiteCore D10 (with very similar min and max levels). The light flashes 3 times rapidly to let you know when it has reached the end of its ramp (either min or max).

    Output/Runtime Comparison:










    To more easily compare the pre-production Regular and shipping Tactical versions, here are a couple of simplified graphs:




    Output/Runtime Pattern of the C7:

    • Overall, no major surprises - output/runtime performance of the C7/C8 is pretty consistent, with no obvious drops in efficiency at any output level tested.
    • On Li-ion (14500), overall output and runtime performance of the C7 is very consistent with the competition.
    • On standard batteries (alkaline, NiMH, and including L91 lithiums), max output of the pre-production Regular C7 is lower than most of the other lights tested here. However, runtime is typically better, consistent with the lower output.
    • As noted in my C9 review, regulation on Li-ions is remarkably linear - among the best I've seen (the only quirk is a single quick jump in output of ~10% early in the runs)
    • The pre-production Regular C7 featured a low voltage warning flash on all battery types, that kicked in once the light was out of regulation. ITP has removed this on shipping versions of both the Regular and Tactical lights, since it was largely superfluous.

    General Observations

    First off, let me congratulate ITP on their decision to keep a common head for multiple battery configurations. The ability to perform battery tube "lego" is relatively uncommon in the flashlight world, and most welcome.

    Build quality is very good, certainly on par with the competition. I would rate the overall build size and "heft" as similar to Olight, but with a more rounded appearance. The head threads are very smooth and solid, and the anodized tailcap threads allow for tailcap lock-out.

    The user interface is quite straight-forward and easy to use, with none of the potential problems of some continuously-variable lights that require rapid twisting or repeated clicking to switch states. I personally like the Tactical versions for their lack of strobe/SOS - but the Regular option is there for those who want it (and who favour tailstanding). All in all, this UI should be popular with those that favour a KISS approach.

    As for performance, ITP has managed one of the most linear regulation patterns I've seen on Li-ion, with output and runtime at least as good as the competition. Max output on 1xAA standard batteries (alkaline/NiMH) was a bit lower on the pre-production Regular light, but overall output/runtime efficiency remained consistently decent at all levels on all lights.

    Iím glad to see ITP is listening to the feedback of the CPF community (i.e. removing the superfluous low voltage flash, offering individual body tubes at low cost, etc.). The low cost of these lights - and the additional body tubes - makes ITP a serious contender in this space. It bodes well in terms of ongoing consumer choice in the continuously-variable flashlight segment.
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    You keep constantly out-doing yourself, selfbuilt - outstanding review
    +1 on the intuitive ramping - it's as idiot-proof as it gets, and your review of the C9 awhile back is the reason I bought it.
    I just received C7 and C8 bodies for my C9R head, along with reverse and forward clicky tailcaps to try out - this review will help me choose the best batteries - thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by DArklite View Post
    +1 on the intuitive ramping - it's as idiot-proof as it gets, and your review of the C9 awhile back is the reason I bought it.
    I just received C7 and C8 bodies for my C9R head, along with reverse and forward clicky tailcaps to try out - this review will help me choose the best batteries - thanks
    All the battery configurations seem to function pretty well, no surprises in efficiency (which can sometimes happen on multi-power lights in different battery configs). Nice to have the option to customize battery tubes though - I wish more makers would offer it.
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    Great review Selfbuilt, as always!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DArklite View Post
    You keep constantly out-doing yourself, selfbuilt - outstanding review
    Awesome review, selfbuilt. Very thorough... thanks!
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    Thanks guys ... good to see this thread brought back up again.

    The ITP lights have never made a big splash here, which is shame given their performance and quality. The lights are a great deal for the price - I believe shiningbeam has a deal thread going on CPFM.

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    Mine should be here this weekend and now i plan on getting the AA tube and tailcap for it......good thing im off tomorrow night just cant wait for it to get dark...lol.

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    Great review Selfbuilt, bought the C7 and found out it has the same UI as the Olight Ti Infinitum. However, I found the size is less than desirable for my EDC, but it's a great light after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfreddajero View Post
    Mine should be here this weekend and now i plan on getting the AA tube and tailcap for it......good thing im off tomorrow night just cant wait for it to get dark...lol.
    Please let me know where to get the 123 tube and tail cap. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long RunTime View Post
    Great review Selfbuilt, bought the C7 and found out it has the same UI as the Olight Ti Infinitum. However, I found the size is less than desirable for my EDC, but it's a great light after all.
    Now that's interesting ... I didn't realize the Infinitum was going to have the same interface. I wonder about the relationship between these two companies (ITP uses the same 2-stage reflector as Olight).

    Quote Originally Posted by Long RunTime View Post
    Please let me know where to get the 123 tube and tail cap. Thanks
    FYI, I've also reviewed that configuration - this head with the 1xRCR/CR123A body tube is known as the ITP C9.
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    Here ya go.......when i saw this great review i thought to myself that i wanted to get one for edc and so i did and what a great little light it is. I bought the C9 and later bought the C7 AA tube and tailcap so i can go both ways. Here's that link for the cr123 tube.

    http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/t...dy-Tube/Detail

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfreddajero View Post
    Here ya go.......when i saw this great review i thought to myself that i wanted to get one for edc and so i did and what a great little light it is. I bought the C9 and later bought the C7 AA tube and tailcap so i can go both ways. Here's that link for the cr123 tube.

    http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/t...dy-Tube/Detail
    Thank you for the link, the C9 tube and cap is one piece. Therefore, it is much shorter.

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    I'll just note that a oldtime CPF member / new CPF sponser in the dealer section www.goinggear.com is now carrying ITP. 5% CPF coupon and Free Shipping > $50.

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    Great review, selfbuilt!

    I was wondering how tough the iTP was as compared to the Nitecore D10. I've looked around, but haven't found any "torture tests" on this light. I would like your opinion on the build quality of each, if possible.

    Again, very helpful review!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightCannon View Post
    I was wondering how tough the iTP was as compared to the Nitecore D10. I've looked around, but haven't found any "torture tests" on this light. I would like your opinion on the build quality of each, if possible.
    That's hard to say - all lights can fail. I don't routinely try torture testing, although I do drop each light from table height to my carpet floor to verify that a typical drop doesn't knock it out of commission.

    The ITP C7 is certainly one of the most solid 1xAA lights I have (if you look at my 1xAA round-up, you can compare the size and weights to other lights in this class). In that sense, the body is potentially more durable against crushing damage than the relatively thin aluminium in the D10. But no idea how stable the circuits are relative to extreme environments. Realistically, would probably need a lot more than n=1 samples of each to verify.
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    As a real world user i can say that the light is very durable......a lot heftier then the D10 which i also have. It was SB's review on the light that got me to get one....shame on you man. lol You can also get the battery tubes for different battery configurations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    That's hard to say - all lights can fail. I don't routinely try torture testing, although I do drop each light from table height to my carpet floor to verify that a typical drop doesn't knock it out of commission.

    The ITP C7 is certainly one of the most solid 1xAA lights I have (if you look at my 1xAA round-up, you can compare the size and weights to other lights in this class). In that sense, the body is potentially more durable against crushing damage than the relatively thin aluminium in the D10. But no idea how stable the circuits are relative to extreme environments. Realistically, would probably need a lot more than n=1 samples of each to verify.
    The circuit is very well built. It stood up to 100's of drops onto various surfaces before failure. I made a potted e01 flicker with this kinda punishment. Therefore I'm getting a surefire g2 worry-free warrentee and replacable electronics as I can't be trusted with anything else.

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    I posted this question in a cpfmarketplace thread, but I suppose this is a better place to ask it:

    It looks like there are conflicting accounts of mixing/matching the R and T heads and tailcaps. The official company response (in the sales thread) is that they should not be mixed. Understood.

    In the same thread, EL7 suggests that it works: regular head with tactical tailcap = three modes and momentary on. Can anyone confirm that? Do the other two modes (SOS and strobe) just work by clicking off/on, with momentary working by partially pressing the switch?
    Thanks

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    I got bit by the lightning bug again and ordered two of these from Battery Junction last night for $28 ea.

    They look very sturdy and durable. I've been looking for a couple of 1xAA lights for my bicycle helmet for cycling and had been considering the Quark AA's, NiteCore D10's and EZAA's.

    I ruled out the EZAA as I have a neutral white one on my keychain, and after about 20 min. on high it was almost too hot to pick up. This may have been an issue with the cheapie energizer NiMH cells I've been using though because afterward, I took the battery out and after 5 min. the light itself was stone cold and the energizer was still very warm. The C7's look like they can handle a lot more heat with little problem.

    I was looking at the D10's as well, but they're very hard to find now for some reason, and where I have been able to find them, they've been upwards of $70 each!

    So, when I saw the price on the iTP's I couldn't resist. I'm going to get some AW 14500's and a charger soon, so I'll be running them with those cells. I'm looking forward to setting up my helmet with one strapped to each side, like the clone troopers in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. I'll post pics of my set up when I get it done.

    Thanks for the excellent review!!! A primary reason I investigated these lights for my new biking lights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiantbrane View Post
    In the same thread, EL7 suggests that it works: regular head with tactical tailcap = three modes and momentary on. Can anyone confirm that? Do the other two modes (SOS and strobe) just work by clicking off/on, with momentary working by partially pressing the switch?
    More or less, but not exactly. Since the modes are controlled by the circuitry in the head, the lights retain their head-based features regardless of which tailcap is installed.

    So if you put the tactical tailcap (forward clicky) with the regular series head, you will keep strobe and SOS. But because the strobe/SOS are accessed by any break in the current path, rapid momentary flashing will also advance you through the sequence of constant-strobe-sos. Momentary does work if you wait several seconds with the light in the off position (i.e. so the circuit can reset and you are back to constant output when next you illuminate).

    Basically, it becomes a question of personal preference if you want the forward clicky or reverse clicky on any given head.

    Quote Originally Posted by B0wz3r View Post
    I got bit by the lightning bug again and ordered two of these from Battery Junction last night for $28 ea.
    Yes, the lights are a screaming good buy at that price range.

    FYI, I plan to review the new ITP Eluma series lights in a little while - just in the middle of a bunch of other reviews first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Yes, the lights are a screaming good buy at that price range.

    FYI, I plan to review the new ITP Eluma series lights in a little while - just in the middle of a bunch of other reviews first.
    We're all looking forward to more of your reviews.

    I kinda figured the reason these were so cheap was because they're being discontinued. That's okay with me, I typically wait for something to go on sale before I buy it. (I'm a cheap bastard... I never buy a top of the line computer, because in a few months it will be the bottom of the line... I've found the same thing is pretty much true for flashlights.) Regardless, if these things produce as much light as advertised, a pair of them on my helmet with 14500s should be more than enough light for my needs.
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    I hear you BOwz. I waited till the price got down to a point I felt was acceptable and then bought a C7 and a C9. I really like these lights, but glad I held off.

    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmoore View Post
    I hear you BOwz. I waited till the price got down to a point I felt was acceptable and then bought a C7 and a C9. I really like these lights, but glad I held off.

    Paul
    Yeah, for that price, it was hard to pass up. I first found them at Shiningbeam for $33 ea. but then found them at Battery Junction for $28. With the CPF code they have for 5%, I got both with shipping for $53. That's less than just what one D10 would have cost me. Although, the D10 is half the size and weight of the C7. I'll have to wait and see if the extra weight and bulk of the C7s on my helmet is an issue.
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    I also love the C7.........had to get the barrels for different batt configurations as well.


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