Spy Questions

[DaFABRICATA]

So the bump on your lens is facing outwards, yes?

Yes..

[Launch Mini]

Will B@rts trit fit in the SPY slots?
He lists his trits at 1.55mm x 5mm, The SPY specs seay 1.5mm x 5mm.
Is that extra .05mm too much?

[Data]

Will B@rts trit fit in the SPY slots?
He lists his trits at 1.55mm x 5mm, The SPY specs seay 1.5mm x 5mm.
Is that extra .05mm too much?

They may not fit. I do not know. However you might use a diamond file (fine or extra fine grit) to shorten the glass a little.

[Launch Mini]

They may not fit. I do not know. However you might use a diamond file (fine or extra fine grit) to shorten the glass a little.

Thanks Dave.
I was about to order some. B@rt thinks they will fit, but the shipping is the nasty part. Don't want to end up with 6 vials that don't fit.
Norland is already ordered.
If anyone has used his, I'd love to know. If NO, then where could I find some skinnier vials?

[Rudi]

They worked for me.
Slightly shortening with a fine or extra-fine diamond file has worked for me too, in another application.

[Henk_Lu]

They worked for me as well.

In lenghth, it seems they could even be longer, I think mine are not exactly at the same height. In width I didn't have a problem either, the trits just fell into the slots...

[Launch Mini]

They worked for me as well.

In lenghth, it seems they could even be longer, I think mine are not exactly at the same height. In width I didn't have a problem either, the trits just fell into the slots...

Awesome.
I've ordered some and some Norland too.
On the SPY's, if they sit up a bit I don't think it will matter as they are quite protected where they will reside.
Now just awaiting the posties to deliver the pieces.

[RIDE]

I in stalled one in my Tri-V....with zero issues.

RIDE

[Data]

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Re: Spy
Questions
Written by 10.10.2010 on 12-22-2010 07:04 AM GMT

Hi Everybody, i have interest to get SPY 007 which looks cool and simple for me. But i can't find any review of it.

So i'm asking this questions to SPY 007 owners here:

• How is the SPY 007 UI ?
• What kind battery does SPY 007 use ?
• What is the SPY 007 voltage range?
• Being driven @ 1.4A how much lumen does 007 could produce?

Thanks

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by ShineOnYouCrazyDiamond on 12-22-2010 01:34 PM GMT

Hi Everybody, i have interest to get SPY 007 which looks cool and simple for me. But i can't find any review of it.

So i'm asking this questions to SPY 007 owners here:

• How is the SPY 007 UI ?
• What kind battery does SPY 007 use ?
• What is the SPY 007 voltage range?
• Being driven @ 1.4A how much lumen does 007 could produce?

Thanks

- There is a turn knob with OFF and 6 brightness positions. Couldn't be simpler. Programming a bit trickier, but very easy once you've done it a few times.
- 2 x cr123 primaries or 2 x RCR123/IMR16340 cells.
- Ummm, do you mean what is the input range of voltages? If it uses 2 cells it would probably be about 4.8V-8.4V.
- Hopefully someone will measure this with a IS and be able to give real OTF numbers. But mathematically, using the 0.65 approx multiplying factor for light losses, and taking the multiplication factor from the Cree XPG at 1400mAh being 320% you can calculate from the base 350mAh fluxes at 100%.

For R4 flux bin LED: (neutral white)
130 Lumens x 320% x 0.65 = 270.4 Lumens

For R5 flux bin LED: (cool white & unless Data managed to source S2 or S3 bin LEDs)
139 Lumens x 320% x 0.65 = 289 Lumens

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by Obijuan Kenobe on 12-22-2010 04:33 PM GMT

Good patient answer, SOYCD. That's what I like about CPF: Your tolerance of noobs is unparalleled (present company included).

obi

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by 10.10.2010 on 12-22-2010 04:51 PM GMT

Thanks Shine. Your reply answers covered everything i want to know about SPY 007.

Yes what i meant is input range of voltage, i was wondering if it could take Lion RCR123 actually.

And it's seems TRI-Vi is much more fun to play compared SPY 007 ??

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by chipwillis on 12-22-2010 05:17 PM GMT

Just buy both

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by jslappa on 12-22-2010 05:39 PM GMT

Thanks Shine. Your reply answers covered everything i want to know about SPY 007.

Yes what i meant is input range of voltage, i was wondering if it could take Lion RCR123 actually.

And it's seems TRI-Vi is much more fun to play compared SPY 007 ??

I have both and the Tri-V is a completely different animal. The Spy 007 just has the one reflector coupled with the XP-G, but it's a much larger reflector than the Tri-V's reflector, so it will throw further, have a larger hotspot and provide more spill light. Of course, the Tri-V has an MCE flood light that can be slammed with 2amps to flood a very large room with warm light. It's also got that XRE behind an aspheric lens that will pierce the night air much further than the 007.

So they really are 2 different lights, but the Tri-V can replace most every other light I own. You need both!

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by 10.10.2010 on 12-23-2010 10:39 PM GMT

Jslappa,

That's is exactly what i'm thinking. Tri Vi have XR-E married with Asheperic lens that's why on Tri Vi we don't need large reflector like on 007 ??

But i still curious with 007, beside's it's EXOTIC Looks and programmable current draw for each knob position does have another feature that i should look at ?

EDIT: Which one throw further between Haiku XP-G and 007 ?

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by 10.10.2010 on 12-23-2010 10:42 PM GMT

Just buy both

If i could afford buying both, with no hesitate i'll get both.

Thing's is I don't have that capability at this moment.

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by erni0066 on 01-12-2011 09:53 PM GMT

Hello All

To me are interesting Spy Tri-V and Spy 007.
I have found excellent review Spy Tri-V with photos outdoor tests.
But I cannot find similar review for Spy 007.
Maybe somebody can give link on such review?

Thanks


Re: Spy
Questions
Written by Data on 01-13-2011 11:54 PM GMT

Hello All

To me are interesting Spy Tri-V and Spy 007.
I have found excellent review Spy Tri-V with photos outdoor tests.
But I cannot find similar review for Spy 007.
Maybe somebody can give link on such review?

Thanks

Quite a number of reviews were posted in the review forum. I will look and see if I can find a couple.

If you have a specific Q, fire away.

Cheers
Dave

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by erni0066 on 01-14-2011 05:41 AM GMT

Quite a number of reviews were posted in the review forum. I will look and see if I can find a couple.

If you have a specific Q, fire away.

Cheers
Dave

Thanks Dave
I searched in the review forum but have not found.

My questions:
What is in Spy 007 and that is not present in Spy Tri-V?
Comparison Spy 007 with Haiku XP-G is interesting to me.
In both flashlights it is used emitter XP-G and interestingly comparative photos of their light.

Thanks,
Erni

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by Data on 01-14-2011 09:38 AM GMT

Thanks Dave
I searched in the review forum but have not found.

My questions:
What is in Spy 007 and that is not present in Spy Tri-V?
Comparison Spy 007 with Haiku XP-G is interesting to me.
In both flashlights it is used emitter XP-G and interestingly comparative photos of their light.

Thanks,
Erni

The biggest difference right now is the 007 uses the STFu MK-I and the Tri-V uses the STFu MK-II. The Tri-V needs the higher power and multi channel control of the MK-II.

The Haiku is a fantastic light, I recomend them.

As for the beam pattern, the reflector on the Tri-V produces a wider hot spot than the 007. Larger reflectors usually produce a tighter hot spot.

Cheers
Dave

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by easilyled on 01-14-2011 10:10 AM GMT

The biggest difference right now is the 007 uses the STFu MK-I and the Tri-V uses the STFu MK-II. The Tri-V needs the higher power and multi channel control of the MK-II.
.................
Cheers
Dave

I take it you're referring to the original SPY007 (ie. with SSC-P4 or XR-E) when you say that they use the STFu MK-I?

I have a feeling though that the SPY007s with CREE-XPGs use a different UI though as the programming to change the levels is very similar to that required for the Tri-V.

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by Data on 01-14-2011 11:33 AM GMT

I take it you're referring to the original SPY007 (ie. with SSC-P4 or XR-E) when you say that they use the STFu MK-I?

I have a feeling though that the SPY007s with CREE-XPGs use a different UI though as the programming to change the levels is very similar to that required for the Tri-V.

The 007 XP-G uses the new UI code that was ported over from the Tri-V's STFu MK-II. It also uses the STFu MK-I converter board that all the 007's use.

Cheers
Dave

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by erni0066 on 01-14-2011 09:58 PM GMT

The biggest difference right now is the 007 uses the STFu MK-I and the Tri-V uses the STFu MK-II. The Tri-V needs the higher power and multi channel control of the MK-II.

The Haiku is a fantastic light, I recomend them.

As for the beam pattern, the reflector on the Tri-V produces a wider hot spot than the 007. Larger reflectors usually produce a tighter hot spot.

Cheers
Dave

Dave thanks for a clarification.

I correctly understand that now Spy 007 has 1400mAh and on an output for neutral white 270 Lumens
and for bright white 290 Lumens? Haiku XP-G bright white has on an output 190 Lumens?
You make Stone Washed Finish for regular Spy 007 (not Gunner Grip)?
What now a waiting time of order Spy 007?

Thanks,
Erni

Unknown
Written by stoli67 on 01-15-2011 12:00 AM GMT

Can you run a 007 for long on full power or does it get too hot to hold?

I recently bought an XML drop in but after 5 minutes on high it is too hot to hold in a 18350 host.

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by Data on 01-15-2011 10:34 PM GMT

Can you run a 007 for long on full power or does it get too hot to hold?

I recently bought an XML drop in but after 5 minutes on high it is too hot to hold in a 18350 host.

I always remind that the SPY is a tiny light to be pushing this kind of power.

But the answer is, that depends on what you call too hot. Consider 1000mA (factory default high setting for all current 007's) running continuously in a these different environments:

1) light held in your hand; for some that may not ever get too hot to hold because your body acts as a liquid cooling system for the light.

2) on your auto dash in the hot mid day Arizona sun; that will get to hot to pick up and is not advised.

3) laying on a rock outside in an Alaska winter; that will not ever get to hot.

4) in your pocket; that will get uncomfortably hot but not so hot to actually burn your skin, as long as you treat it as the hot potato that it is.

If on the other hand you are asking will the light burn up? Well, all I can say to that is, it has not happened yet. My software is supposed to protect the light from this threat.

The 007 and Tri-V do protect themselves from over heating but that logic is not engaged until the light is extremely hot. I can not say for any given situation what that temperature is as it varies greatly depending on environmental factors. Of course the higher you set the power level the faster the light will heat up. The latest code limits the continuous unattended power to the 007 and the Tri-V. See the Tri-V manual for more details. The Tri-V can run up to 3000mA and that if left unchecked will get hot very fast.

Finally, please keep in mind though the STFu may be protecting itself as best it can the emitter is not protected. If you allow the light to get smoking hot they say (don't ask me who the they are ) that will shorten the life span of the of the emitter.

I have always advised my customers to not turn the SPY on high and set it down unattended for long periods of time.

Cheers
Dave

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by Launch Mini on 01-20-2011 09:23 AM GMT

SPY005 questins. I know i read the answers somewhere, but I couldn't find them last night.
1 - What changes were made to the "board" from the original ( I think the first 100), to the "updated"?
2 - IIRC, the output of the stock base SPY005 was around 80 lumens?
3 - WIll the original board support an XPG transplant?
Thanks
ps, I do know the original board only supports primaries, That is not a concern.
and I think I remember that the original boards may be loose, & not secured?

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by Data on 01-20-2011 09:44 AM GMT

SPY005 questions. I know i read the answers somewhere, but I couldn't find them last night.
1 - What changes were made to the "board" from the original ( I think the first 100), to the "updated"?
2 - IIRC, the output of the stock base SPY005 was around 80 lumens?
3 - WIll the original board support an XPG transplant?
Thanks
ps, I do know the original board only supports primaries, That is not a concern.
and I think I remember that the original boards may be loose, & not secured?

The first 100 SPY flashlights had the downboy based board in them. It might run an XP-G but I do not recommend taking those old lights apart or adjusting the trim pots.. Dat2zip offers an upgrade to the STFu MK-I with a Seoul P4 emitter. You could go that route and then upgrade it to an XP-G.

The emitter was a Lux3 running at 1000 or 500ma max. Depended on the model.

Cheers
Dave

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by Launch Mini on 01-20-2011 09:59 AM GMT

Dave,
Thanks
How would I know which model it may be?
I'll email you too.

Re: Spy
Questions
Written by Data on 01-20-2011 10:20 AM GMT

Dave,
Thanks
How would I know which model it may be?
I'll email you too.

If it is the downboy it will not have any power-up modes. If you put it on P3 and pull off the battery cap and put it right back on there would not be any calibration seen. It would simply come right back on on power level three.

Unknown
Written by blackfly on 02-02-2011 11:33 PM GMT


I have a question about the lockout mode. The instruction manual says that, when the lockout mode is activated, I should get 20 seconds of light. On my light I count 12 seconds before it shuts off. Also, as I scroll through the levels 1 thru 6 I don't get the full level of brightness that should correspond with that particular level when used without the lockout feature. Is this normal with the new batch of Spy 007's?

[Data]

Unknown
Written by blackfly on 02-02-2011 11:33 PM GMT


I have a question about the lockout mode. The instruction manual says that, when the lockout mode is activated, I should get 20 seconds of light. On my light I count 12 seconds before it shuts off. Also, as I scroll through the levels 1 thru 6 I don't get the full level of brightness that should correspond with that particular level when used without the lockout feature. Is this normal with the new batch of Spy 007's?

Yes this is normal behavior. The lower power levels are to remind you that it is currently in lockout mode. The manual should say ~15 seconds.

[njet212]

Just got my 007 3 days ago, feel very exicited about it! I've read on the other thread that SPY 007 run #05 has been upgraded slightly than previous runs.

It's said SPY 007 run 5 could be push up to 1.4 A and it has 4 slot. What's the 4 memory slot ?

[njet212]

Sorry double post

[Morelite]

Is there a PDF of the instructions somewhere? I thought there was before but I can't seem to find it now.

[Launch Mini]

First, as the light has 6 power levels, you can independantly set each of these levels to your desired output.
THEN, you have 4 "slots". Each slot allows you to set 6 the levels.
SO effectively you can set 24 predefined levels.

[Data]

Is there a PDF of the instructions somewhere? I thought there was before but I can't seem to find it now.

John is going to update that PDF with the new information I just posted in the user manual thread.

Cheers
Dave

[Launch Mini]

Dave
I see you mentioned the XPG version steps down if it's running ht at 1450.
What about the older Seoul ones? I have one with an XPG upgrade and wondering f I should be more careful if I have it at max or will this step down too?
Thanks

[Data]

No, that is the exception. The old Seoul P4 lights with the STFu had a max of 1250mA and they do not cut back ever. So if you program them to anything above 1000mA please watch the heat. Keep in mind there has never been a heat related failure in the STFu that I know of. So there is enough of a buffer there.

Best not to worry about it at all. Just have fun and use it.


Cheers
Dave

[Launch Mini]

Thanks
I only use it sparingly
but my wife has cranked it up at the cabin. It got warm but not hot.

[CustomCollector]

Is there anywhere a instruction manual for the Spy ßß7 to download as PDF which i can print out?

Thanks for help!

[Rudi]

Yes, there is, but it is two years old. Best updated information is in this thread

[CustomCollector]

@Rudi Thanks!

[Launch Mini]

This isn't a question, but more a suggestive comment. ( no not that type of suggestive comment).

This is re TRIT Installation on SPY007s

What I have done on a couple of mine, is used plain white craft glue to install the trits, rather than the Norland.
My reasoning is ...
The trit slots are nicely protected on the SPY's, and these lights probably won't be abused as some others, so no need to such a permanent adhesive.
The craft glue is water soluble, so if you need or want to remove a trit, just put a bit of water over the installed trit, let it sit overnight, and you can easily remove the trit with a sewing needle, and clean out the slot with a wooden toothpick, & change colours as you feel fit.
I've also done this for trits in the knob space. I can play with their placement, colour combinations etc. When they are just right, I added more glue & it dries very clear. Not perfectly clear, but good enough for me. Same thing, add water, let it sit, and just remove them.

Just my tip.
Now to order more trits so I can change them up again.

[easilyled]

I think its also been suggested, maybe by Data himself but I cant remember, just to drop the trits in and seal them with a modicum of clear nail varnish that can be applied with a toothpick.

They can then be removed later with nail varnish remover.

The principle is similar, but maybe the clear nail varnish is optically clearer than the craft glue?

This isn't a question, but more a suggestive comment. ( no not that type of suggestive comment).

This is re TRIT Installation on SPY007s

What I have done on a couple of mine, is used plain white craft glue to install the trits, rather than the Norland.
My reasoning is ...
The trit slots are nicely protected on the SPY's, and these lights probably won't be abused as some others, so no need to such a permanent adhesive.
The craft glue is water soluble, so if you need or want to remove a trit, just put a bit of water over the installed trit, let it sit overnight, and you can easily remove the trit with a sewing needle, and clean out the slot with a wooden toothpick, & change colours as you feel fit.
I've also done this for trits in the knob space. I can play with their placement, colour combinations etc. When they are just right, I added more glue & it dries very clear. Not perfectly clear, but good enough for me. Same thing, add water, let it sit, and just remove them.

Just my tip.
Now to order more trits so I can change them up again.

[helios123]

The nail varnish method sounds great!

[Rudi]

Clear nail varnish applied with a tooth pick works well, but it is a multi-stage process. The nail varnish cures by evaporation of the solvent, which causes it to shrink. The process needs to be repeated a few times to fill the grooves, allowing several hours between applications. Don't worry about slight overspill, as this can be removed with the tip of a sharp exacto blade once cured.

[Launch Mini]

I didn't fill the groove with very much glue. Only a tiny amount to hold it in place. Not even visible from the top, so the clarity is perfect, as nothing applied to the visible surface.

On another fun thing to do.
If you have access to a Jewellers Loupe, turn on your SPY, aim at the ceiling or wall, and place the loupe in front of th lens. If you position it just right, it focuses the beam. In my case, it was like an Aspheric lens, It kept the emitters image in a very tight hot spot, and the outer ring had all the dimples from the reflector. I wonder if Saablaster could make some adaptors to fit a lens onto the SPY. A removable one, so you could turn it into a throw monster?
I didn't have time to take it outside and see how it worked in the field. And I didn't have enough hands to hold the Loupe & camera & snap a shot.

[Rudi]

[QUOTE=Launch Mini;3827230]I didn't fill the groove with very much glue. Only a tiny amount to hold it in place. Not even visible from the top, so the clarity is perfect, as nothing applied to the visible surface.[ /QUOTE]

You can cover the trit vial with clear nail polish. It doesn't dim it at all.

[PoliceScannerMan]

I am almost ready to step up to the plate and get another Spy 007 SW GG.

I want to go XPG, but what are the choices for brightness' on the cool and neutral. S2, R5, R4?

Also what are the tints in Kelvin?

Thanks!

[PoliceScannerMan]

I am almost ready to step up to the plate and get another Spy 007 SW GG.

I want to go XPG, but what are the choices for brightness' on the cool and neutral. S2, R5, R4?

Also what are the tints in Kelvin?

Thanks!

Anyone?

[Data]

6000K bright white
5000K neutral white
4000K warm white

They are all wonderful color emitters. I pick them based on the color first and then output. Output is important but in practice I never actually see variations in output but we all tend to see if it is a nice color. And as you all know the actual color temperature is never on the even 1000K line.

I know the bright is an R5 but I do not remember the others. I will check.

Do you know what emitter you want?


Cheers
Dave