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    Reviewer's Note: This is a review of new 1x18650-sized EDC light by Lumapower, the Encore. For a comparison to the original 1xRCR123A Incendio, please see my detailed review of that light. The Encore was provided by Ricky at LP for review.

    UPDATE April 5, 2009: Lumapower has released a TurboForce head for their Encore and Connexion lights, offering greater throw than the standard shallow reflector on these models. I have have provided pics below.

    This light is Lumapowerís newest offering in the small EDC (every day carry) space, following up on the 1xRCR/CR123A Incendio and 1xAA/14500 Connexion. The Encore uses a similar build, but can take 1x18650, 2xRCR or 2xCR123A. All three lights share a similarly sized head/reflector, and similar build features.

    Note that all members of the Lumapower EDC line have recently undergone a revision. See the end of my review for a discussion of the differences between the new V2 versions (including the Encore) and the earlier V1 Incendio/Connexion.



    As you can see, the light comes with an attached built-in clip (now removable), extra o-rings and GITD tailcap button, instruction manual, warranty card, and a pair of tweezers (to allow you to unscrew the switch retaining ring). The tweezers are similar to the ones youíd find on the deal sites - not very high quality, but are a nice touch to include.

    For scale reference, below is a pic of the Encore and the first generation Incendio and Connexion lights, with their respective batteries.



    Scroll down for a comparison pic to other members in the 1x18650 class.

    Overall length: 114.9mm
    Width: 21.6mm (tail), 20.5mm (head)
    Battery tube wall thickness: ~1.6mm
    Weight: 42.5g (without battery)




    The other EDC series of lights from Lumapower only have type II black anodizing, although the Encore is supposed to be hard anodized (i.e. HA, aka type III). Unfortunately, my Encore has a chip on the tail near the removable pocket clip (see below) - otherwise, anodizing was good on my sample. Lettering is clear and sharp, as with all Lumapower lights (which is among the finest lettering Iíve ever seen ). Overall body is quite smooth, so the removable clip helps with grip and anti-roll. Clip is for bezel-down carry only.



    The black disc in the head has been updated on all V2 lights to have a ridge around the battery contact point. This is the "reverse polarity protection" feature Ė itís entirely mechanical, as the flat-end of the battery would be prevented from touching the contact point. But this also means that none of the older flat-top 18650 batteries will work without modification (i.e. you need to use the newer button top variety).

    Like the Incendio and Connexion, screw threads are fairly limited and narrow on the Encore. Screw thread action feels a little rougher on my Encore specimen that it does on either my Incendio or Connexion. Threads are not anodized on any of these lights, so no lock-out is possible.



    Tailcap is a forward clicky, covered with a black switch cover (GITD included in the package). The original V1 Incendio/Connexion came with only a GITD, so good to have the option now. Switch is recessed so that the unit can now tailstand when the light is on or off (V1 lights could only tailstand reliably when activated). As a result, I find this switch harder to activate, since your finger needs to go deeper into the light.




    The head unit is basically unchanged from the Incendio/Connexion. They use the same size reflector, lens, and o-ring (which is a rather pale GITD type).



    One of the new features of the V2 lights is the ability to access the tail switch and remove the clip. When I went to do this, a number of bits of black debris fell out of the light. The o-ring was intact, so I think these are from the foam spacers placed on either side of the switch. The switch has some metal clips along its edge, and I suspect these chewed into the foam spacers when the light was assembled. Doesnít affect function, and the parts are easily accessible (although again, I found the screw threads for the retaining ring rather rough).

    UPDATE April 5, 2009: Available as an upgrade to the Encore is a TurboForce head with larger reflector for more throw. Below are some comparison pics with the new reflector.







    For the beamshots below, I've used the Connexion X2 with standard head as a comparator (running on 14500). Beam pattern and overall output is similar to the Encore standard head on 18650.





    As you can see, the new TurboForce head has a much narrower spillbeam and much brighter hotspot. Overall output and runtimes are unaltered, as the same emitter/circuit is used (i.e. it is just the reflector assembly that is new). The summary table further down in this review has been updated below with additional lux numbers.

    User Interface
    • Like the Incendio/Connexion, the Encore has 3 output modes (Hi Ė Med Ė Lo), accessed in a looping sequence by soft-pressing the clicky repeatedly. To select the desired mode, simply press the switch further until the click is made, then release.
    • The light has a memory mode Ė if you leave if it on for more than 1 sec in any given mode, it will retain that setting for the next time you click on (reduced from 2 secs on the V1 lights).
    • Light has no SOS or strobe mode.
    • Light is current-controlled for its low modes, so no PWM flicker. Typically, Iíve found that current-controlled lights are more efficient that PWM, but canít go down to as low output levels. See below for output/runtimes in the Encoreís case.

    Comparisons


    From left to right, CR123A, 18650 battery, Encore, JetBeam Jet-III PRO ST, Olight T20, Romisen RC-M4, Solarforce T7. Note that the Olight T20 and Solarforce T7 cannot take 18650 or protected 17670 batteries, since the internal diameter is too narrow.

    As you can see, the Encore is the smallest light of this class in my collection.

    Beamshots:

    Comparison taken at ~0.5 meters from a wall, to show you the different overall spill patterns. All lights are running on AW protected 18650.





    As you can see, the Encore is definitely not a thrower. But the light has a very nice beam (identical to the Incendio/Connexion, since the head is the same). In fact, its one of the smoothest beams Iíve seen for a Cree light . Spillbeam is wider than most lights, with a smooth transition from spot to spill.

    Testing Method: All my output numbers are relative for my home-made light box setup, a la Quickbeam's FR.com method. My relative overall output numbers are typically similar to his, although generally a little lower. You can directly compare all my review graphs - i.e. an output value of "10" in one graph is the same as "10" in another.

    Output, Throw and Runtime Comparisons



    As you can see, the Encore is not a heavy thrower. Overall output is also not as high as the typical 18650-sized lights, but thatís appropriate given the smaller body of the Encore (with its more limited heat-sinking).

    Runtimes:

    To allow you to compare output levels and runtimes to the original Incendio, Iíve added that light to my 18650-class comparisons below.








    Preliminary Output/runtime Observations:

    • The Encore is fully regulated on all battery types, which is very impressive for a multi-power circuit. It is even better regulated than my V1 Incendio!
    • Hi-Med-Lo Output levels are remarkably consistent between the different battery types, which is again quite impressive. Relative output levels are also very sensible for an EDC light, IMO.
    • Runtimes are quite good, consistent with the current-controlled nature of this light.
    • I havenít done Med mode on primaries yet, or the low-mode runtimes. I expect low mode runtimes to be impressively long.


    Potential Issues

    The Encore body tube feels lighter and sounds ďtinnierĒ when tapped than either my Incendio or Connexion. To try and put some numbers on this: although the Encore body tube is 75% longer than my Incendio, body tube weight has increased by less than 60%. Accordingly, body tube thickness measures ~1.8mm on my Incendio, but seems to be around ~1.6mm on the Encore.

    I believe the reason for this stems from Lumapowerís (understandable) decision to want to keep the head/reflector unit the same for all 3 models, but still accommodate wider protected 18650s on the Encore. They have managed this by increasing the Encore body tube diameter overall by ~1.1mm and thinning out the wall thickness by about ~0.2mm. As it is, this wider overall body diameter gives the Encore something of a tapered look over its length, coming to a point at the head (i.e. the head opening is at least 1mm smaller than the tail opening). Presumably they didnít want to widen the body diameter any further relative to the smaller head, and thus needed to thin out the body wall thickness.

    Screw thread action of the Encore head is not as smooth as my two earlier V1 lights, and the tailcap region has sharper bits near the clip (with chipped anodizing in my case). The threads on the retaining ring also seem a bit rough. I donít know if these differences are specific to just my one sample, all Encores, or more generally to all V2 lights.

    V2 vs. V1 Build Differences

    Note that the Encore shares a number characteristics with the new V2 versions of the Incendio/Connexion, so I thought I'd describe the main changes from the earlier models.

    Tailstanding: The V2 lights can now tailstand in the Off position (V1 lights could only tailstand when On). Although this sounds like a good idea, it means the forward clicky switch is harder to activate since it is more recessed within the body tube. A number of users complained about how hard it was to activate the switch on the original V1 lights (although I personally found it fine) Ė this revision will exacerbate the issue for those who find it a problem.

    Accessible switch and removable clip
    : This is a good upgrade to the V2 lights in principle, since the switch was not accessible before (although the new design likely contributes to the more recessed switch). The debris found inside my sample may have been an anomaly, and it doesnít seem to have caused any problems (presumably just shredded bits of the foam spacers). Inclusion of the black switch cover is a bonus, since not everyone likes GITD.

    Reverse-battery Protection: Sounds like a good idea, but this is done in an entirely mechanical fashion by adding a raised lip on the plastic disc surrounding the contact point in the head. That means you cannot run flat-top 18650 cells (i.e. only the new button-top cells will work). To use older cells, you would need to use a small magnet (not recommended, unless krazy-glued in place), or disable this protection by filing down the lip or removing the plastic disc altogether.

    Interface: The V2 memory time has been reduced from 2 secs to 1 sec, so you donít need to worry as much about the light advancing to the next state upon a quick flash. However, sequence Hi-Med-Lo remains unchanged (personally, I think Lo-Med-Hi makes more sense for an EDC light).

    Anodizing: I believe the other members of the EDC series still only have type anodizing, but Lumapower claims type III (HA) for the Encore.

    Preliminary Discussion:

    As readers of my original V1 Incendio review will have noticed, I am a fan of small form factor lights. In fact, I liked the Incendio so much that I went and bought a Connexion (V1) Ė which has an identical feel and build to my Incendio (review of that light is pending a revised 1AA round-up thread). The Encore is a thoughtful next step in the evolution of this EDC series, adding multi-power support to the smallest 18650-sized light Iíve ever seen.

    As you can tell from above, I do have some build reservations for this new light (although those may be more general issues for the V2 series overall). That being a said, many of the positives of the V1 series havenít changed. Thanks to the shallow reflector, these lights have one of the prettiest beams Iíve seen for a Cree light, with only the faintest of Cree rings. The wide spill is great for an EDC light, IMO.

    Regulation and output/runtime efficiency is another area where this light doesnít disappoint. Iím actually quite impressed that Lumapower has managed to produce rock-solid flat regulation while adding multipower support. Itís extremely rare to find a light that is so well regulated on all battery types (i.e. 1x18650, 2xCR123A and 2xRCR) . And thanks to the current-controlled circuitry, runtime performance is very good on all batteries, at all levels.

    Personally, I think the selection of output levels makes a lot of sense for EDC (although I would prefer a Lo-Med-Hi sequence instead of the current Hi-Med-Lo). Note that maximum output is less than other lights of this class, but thatís appropriate given the limited heatsinking in such a small form-factor. But the minimum output is lower than the previous V1 Incendio (which was >7 on my output scale, vs. 2.3 for the Encore) - that's impressive for a current-controlled light. I suspect these are the new levels for the V2 Incendio as well. The difference between models is thus in the runtime, size, and battery flexibility.

    It has always been a pet peeve of mine to find small 2xCR123A lights that can take a single Li-ion, but are only wide enough to accept a 14670 protected cell (e.g. Fenix P3D, Olight T20, Solarforce T7, etc. ). The Encore is the smallest 18650-sized light Iíve seen, yet wisely includes a wider internal diameter suitable for all protected cells.

    But note that this may also be an issue for some Ė body tube diameter overall is increased (relative to the unchanged head), and body tube wall thickness is reduced. The wider body diameter gives the light a somewhat pointed look (i.e. the head opening is at least 1mm smaller than tail opening). But this may be an advantage as well, as the light could more easily slide into a pocket head-first without getting snagged.

    In conclusion, if you are looking for the smallest possible multipower 18650-size light with excellent regulation and runtime performance on all batteries, the Encore is a strong contender Ė just donít expect a barn-burner . Also, I encourage Lumapower to enhance the build features of this series (e.g. improved clicky feel, smoother screw threads, etc.).

    As always, I recommend potential buyers carefully read over the points above to insure you understand what you are getting. This is not a "tactical" light designed for rugged use and maximal output, but rather an attempt to make the smallest possible 18650-sized light with great battery flexibility and consistency for EDC use.
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    Great review as always. I have been waiting to see this. I like the high capacity of the rechargable 18650 cell but until now there have not been many options for a small light that you could slip into your pocket easily.

    I had a Pila GL2 that used a single 18650. I found myself not using it much because I could not carry it in my pocket. I also did not like the single output mode and unregualted output. It was a nice light for what it was designed for though - solid construction and nice beam.

    The Encore seems to be a great light that is easy to pocket carry (not edc) for when you know you will be needing long runtime. Taking along just 1 spare will provide some serious runtime. It will make a great versital camping light.

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    Selfbuilt: Thanks for a thorough job!

    Good regulation, versatility, and size.

    However, it appears to have the build quality of a River Rock. Doesn't quite fall into the performance range of the other lights, either.

    I'd rather have a TR-801. And could buy almost 4 of them for the price of an Encore. That would be an interesting comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by regulator View Post
    The Encore seems to be a great light that is easy to pocket carry (not edc) for when you know you will be needing long runtime. Taking along just 1 spare will provide some serious runtime. It will make a great versital camping light.
    Good points - I forgot to mention it in the review, but the minimum level of the Encore is about a third as bright as the Incendio in my lightbox (just added the info). This makes it even more versatile as a low level light.

    And I agree it is more of a pocket light than an EDC.

    Quote Originally Posted by EngrPaul View Post
    However, it appears to have the build quality of a River Rock. Doesn't quite fall into the performance range of the other lights, either. ... I'd rather have a TR-801.
    I don't know if I'd go quite that far ... I think build quality is still better than the River Rocks I've seen. Haven't seen the TR-801 (single-mode 18650-only?), but the circuit performance of the multi-power, multi-level Encore is right where I would expect it to be. The regulation is pretty impressive too.
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    Default Re: Lumapower Encore Review - 18650-sized EDC - RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, etc.

    Excellent work as always!

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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    I don't know if I'd go quite that far ... I think build quality is still better than the River Rocks I've seen. Haven't seen the TR-801 (single-mode 18650-only?), but the circuit performance of the multi-power, multi-level Encore is right where I would expect it to be. The regulation is pretty impressive too.
    The disassembly "mess" and pocket clip design reminds me of a RiverRock I once disassembled, but I agree the Encore is definitely not in the RR category.

    The TR-801 comes in full power or multistage variants. Their shorcoming is lack of o-ring in the front of the lens, and an undersized front lens. I've addressed both issues for about $6.

    The circuit performance of the Encore really "shines"

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    Wink2 Re: Lumapower Encore Review - 18650-sized EDC - RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, etc.

    In regards to build quality, is it on par with other LumaPower lights? I own a DX1, M1-XRE, M1-T and a MRV.
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    Fantastic review as usual Selfbuilt. I,ve been enjoying this light for a week now. The beam quality is great, I love the fact that it takes all 3 battery configurations. Also the tapered head and tailstanding capability makes it comfortable to pocket and more useful.
    I have no quality issues with mine. I think Lumapower hit their mark on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EngrPaul View Post
    The disassembly "mess" and pocket clip design reminds me of a RiverRock I once disassembled, but I agree the Encore is definitely not in the RR category.
    Ah, I understand what you mean now. Yes, that fits my recollection of some River Rock/Nuwai lights (press-fit pills, etc.). Not a lot of fun for modding back in the day.

    Haven't seen that trustfire light, but I know a lot of the romisens have decent builds for the price (and can be good hosts for modding with a few component upgrades). Due to a lack of time, I've sort of given up on modding (or as my daughter calls it, "pimping" lights ).

    Quote Originally Posted by bluecrow76 View Post
    In regards to build quality, is it on par with other LumaPower lights? I own a DX1, M1-XRE, M1-T and a MRV.
    The EDC series lights have *much* thinner construction, to keep them lightweight for carry purposes. The Lumapower high-end line are build like tanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by sledhead View Post
    Also the tapered head and tailstanding capability makes it comfortable to pocket and more useful. I have no quality issues with mine. I think Lumapower hit their mark on this one.
    Glad to hear it - and you raise a good point about the tapered head making it easier to pocket (i.e. less likely to snag on something). Although I doubt that's why LP did it (i.e. I suspect it was to keep their costs down with a standard build reflector/pill/etc.), it is one potential advantage in actual use.
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    Another fine review, SelfBuilt !




    Thank you for your time, effort, and dedication.

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    Default Re: Lumapower Encore Review - 18650-sized EDC - RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, etc.

    Great review as always!

    I STILL can not see anything bumping my P2D off my belt...

    But a V2 Incendio MIGHT come my way before too long....
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    I always love reading your reviews Selfbuilt. Thanks again for such thorough work. The graphs comparing other lights are extremely valuable.

    I too love small form factor lights, and this looks like a winner. I had my eye on a Jet III ST for its small size, but I like the beam of the Encore better [much wider], and the circuit appears to be fantastic - multipower, regulated and great runtime.
    No PWM and no strobe is a plus for me.

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    Great review as usual selfbuilt. I bought a MVP because I liked the look of it AND because your review was so positive.

    I don't think the Encore is quite my light but I might get a ConneXion V2 if that is better than V1.

    I agree entirely that HA111 would be desirable on these little lights and also that the high end LP (eg MVP) lights are built like tanks.
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    Impressive review
    I've got more flashlights than I need, but still wants more...and then a few more

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    Default Re: Lumapower Encore Review - 18650-sized EDC - RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, etc.

    Quote, "Also, what hasnít changed from the V1 lights is the type II anodizing."

    Lumapower's Thread in the marketplace clearly states a few times that it's type III for the Encore.

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    Thanks for the support everyone!

    Quote Originally Posted by 7histology View Post
    I don't think the Encore is quite my light but I might get a ConneXion V2 if that is better than V1.
    A fair assessment. I think all lights have trade-offs - it's the nature of manufacturing. In this case, I think the potential trade-offs are more signficant than most, due to the extreme direction they've taken with the EDC line (i.e., smallest, lightest, etc.). Same goes for the V2 vs V1 - although generally improvements, these also introduce some degree of compromise (e.g. switch accessible and can tailstand, but harder to access).

    That's why this review is more detailed than most - I think it's important people understand the nature of the trade-offs so that they can choose the right light for them (and not be disappointed).

    Quote Originally Posted by EngrPaul
    Lumapower's Thread in the marketplace clearly states a few times that it's type III for the Encore.
    DOH!

    Just fixed that in my review ... with the chip in my anodizing, I just assumed it was still type II. That's what I get for not double-checking the specs for once. Thanks for the catch.
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    This light runs in full regulation on at least 8.4 volts down to 3.7 volts or less. That is amazing. I wonder what type of circuit it uses. Certainly not a true buck/boost, as most circuits of this type do not have that range of voltages. Must be something like a buck constant current devise using a very low vf LED, which makes some sense since the LED is being driven with minimal current, probably less than 300mA's. Or, it is using PWM in combination with constant current. The Encore is most likely the first 18650 touted light that shows full regulation with an 18650.

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    Thanks for the thoughtful and thorough review. I've been waiting for this since I noticed the Encore on batterjunction a week or so ago. I think I'm going to take the plunge now and ge my first 2 x CR123a light, and it will have the ability to take those noice 18650 rechageables once I get over my qualms about lithium-ion cells.

    I have a fondness for LumaPower lights. I've got an LM33 and a D-Mini Q5. I think I'll splurge and get a Connexion, which I've been thinking about for awhile, along with the Encore.

    Of course, once I decide I like 2 cell lights, then I'm going to have to get an Olight T20 Tactical....
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    Nice review. Glad you did all the lights in the series.

    I ordered a v2 Incendio limited after reading the v1 review.

    Thanks for continuing to review interesting, quality lights.

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    You know, the only thing that had put me off of this light were the advertisd runtimes, particularly on medium and low. But once I saw selfbuilt's review, I realized they must have been done with an 18650 cell. I'd imagine , as selfbuilt has also said, that the theruntimes on 2 CR123a primaries will be impressively long.

    This looks like another winner.
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    As I suspected this is not a thrower, still might buy it though.

    One question, did you try to put the encore head onto the incendio to see if they fit? Maybe you could get a stronger incendio by putting the encore head onto it?

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    Hi all ... I'm out of town for a few days, but I've heard back from Ricky at Lumapower about the build issues I've noted here. He acknowledges that there are issues with their current line of small lights, and he's working to improve the QC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullzeyebill View Post
    The Encore is most likely the first 18650 touted light that shows full regulation with an 18650.
    Yes, this is impressive - I can't think of another light off-hand that has managed this (although the PWM-based ITP lights comes close, as long you don't run them at max on 18650 - which is direct drive). But the Encore is also very consistent in output levels on all 3 battery types.

    I agree it's likely to do with the fact that they are not driving the emitter as hard, but I'm not sure of the mechanics of how they designed the circuit. Should please flat regulation fans.

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeeatingfish View Post
    One question, did you try to put the encore head onto the incendio to see if they fit? Maybe you could get a stronger incendio by putting the encore head onto it?
    No, the heads are not interchangeable. The Incendio head screws over its body tube, and the Encore head screws into its body (compare the build pics from the two reviews and you'll see what I mean). The internal components are the same, but the external threads are thus reversed.
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    Drool Re: Lumapower Encore Review - 18650-sized EDC - RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, etc.

    I'm also impressed at the regulation in the Encore. Kudos to Lumapower, I'm going to have to go find a second job with all the great lights coming out. The encore may end up at the top of my list.
    The tapering of the light toward the head seems like it could be a bit weird, but I'd need to see it in person to really make any further comment about it. Nice simple UI as with the previous models is a plus for many users.
    The only thing missing here seems to be a solid pocket clip.

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    Default Re: Lumapower Encore Review - 18650-sized EDC - RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by PhantomPhoton View Post
    I'm also impressed at the regulation in the Encore. Kudos to Lumapower
    +1 to that. Those are some impressive table-tops.
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    Default Re: Lumapower Encore Review - 18650-sized EDC - RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, etc.

    I know the Incendio V2 is available but is the Connexion V2 available yet? I can't seem to locate one.

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    Default Re: Lumapower Encore Review - 18650-sized EDC - RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, etc.

    No ConneXion V2 yet...

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    Default Re: Lumapower Encore Review - 18650-sized EDC - RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, etc.

    Do you have runtime for the O-light T20 to put in the charts?

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    Do you have runtime for the O-light T20 to put in the charts?
    It's actually next in line for my lightbox, likely starting tomorrow.
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    Default Re: Lumapower Encore Review - 18650-sized EDC - RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by geek4christ View Post
    Those are some impressive table-tops.
    The runtime I'm most interested in is on high with an 18650.

    The Encore produces "60" light output for about 3 hours then you have no light at all.

    The M20 and Jet-III produce more light during those 3 hours, then continue to give adequate warning through dimming. In fact, illumination continues for about another hour.

    I'll pass on less light and less runtime in the name of regulation, YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by EngrPaul View Post
    The runtime I'm most interested in is on high with an 18650. The Encore produces "60" light output for about 3 hours then you have no light at all.
    Ah, that I can help you with right now - zero.

    Seriously, the internal body bore diameter of the Olight T20 will not take a protected 18650. It won't even take my one AW protected 17670 - still too thick. Protected RCR (16340) fit fine. Had a similar problem with my Solarforce T7.

    I have tried a 14670 in it, which works but with greatly reduced runtime due to the lower capacity. Haven't graphed the results yet, but I can tell you initial output was 75 on my scale, with a typical direct drive decay pattern (50% was reached at 78 mins, 5% at 152 mins, and the light was ~2% when I stopped the run at 215 mins).

    P.S.: I agree with you on the regulation - I'm also a fan of direct-drive for single Li-ion in multi-power lights (ala Jet-III M and Olight M20). But I know there's a segment of the CPF community that prefers otherwise, despite the loss of efficiency and potential rapid drop-off ...
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