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    I just came home about 10 minutes ago and decided to take my G2 apart to do some lubing. I unscrewed the bezel looked like this(normal)

    and tried taking the LA out.... It was stuck, very stuck(has never been like that) so I proceed to wiggle the LA out and I see this...





    Now my question is WTF happened? I used it last night before going to bed to check something and put it back on my dresser... Any ideas????
    The light still goes on high..... and sometimes goes very low and kicks back into high.

    P.S.- This was the R2 LED drop in that ttran97 was selling in the marketplace quite a few months ago.
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    Thanks sucks. Is there any battery leakage, or is it just the lamp?
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    Nope... batteries are in perfect shape.
    Its better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.

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    WOAH
    Time to take all my stuff apart!

    Looks awful. What did you use as lube on it previously? I never want to use it, it looks like it went to town on the brass!

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    To be perfectly honest nothing except with what it came with. I was just bored and thought I should lube some lights that I use often. I just took it to the work shop and tired separating the two with some channel locks and I cant get this sucker loose for the life of me.... Throwing it on the floor didnt seem to work either
    Its better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.

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    Your pictures:








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    Thank you
    Its better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.

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    The blown up pics help.

    Look at the green powder from the eaten brass!

    Is it peroxide and baking soda you dip it in to clean it? I forget.

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    Looks like electrolysis.
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    Looks like your flashlight got an STD....that sucks...
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    Yes, funeral arrangements are being made(hes happy to be donated to science) But seriously.... can this happen to my other lights? Way to prevent this?
    Its better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.

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    Default Re: WHAT THE %$#@ (Pic Heavy)

    and look at the damage to the light

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    Battery venting comes to mind immediately. I doubt the R2 drop in caused that... you can see the damage way down into the body tube. You can see where the corrosion stops abruptly half way down, where the two cells touch. Perhaps a slow-venting, such that it does not damage the cells outward appearance... if thats even possible.

    Is it possible its been that way for a while?... not these cells but perhaps another pair of cells did it?

    When was the last time you had it apart? I am not sure if SF warrants against battery-venting damage, but before you bury it you might want to give them a call.

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    if you let them know it was a Surefire CR123 that was in use they might be more willing to accept responsibility.
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    Perhaps something funky was on your hands when you last touched the module?

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    Ummm..... Three weeks ago tops
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    what batteries were they?
    donate to CPF, click on "paid subscriptions" in your control panel.

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    Curious... is it one of the G2s being sold that have been RIT dyed? Water can collect between the nitrolon and metal body sleeve during the dye process. It needs to be thoroughly dried out before being put back into service.

    If there's trapped moisture in there... its hard to say what it would do to the cells.
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    Hard to tell, but the spring on the pill looks like it has rust on it or perhaps that's battery residue.

    Looks almost like a battery leak you'd see with an alkaline cell.

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    First off they were surefire cells, second it was not bought from someone who used rit because I myself did.... I left it out over night to dry.... but that was three weeks ago!
    Its better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.

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    Um... Time for a new light I'd say...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo7809 View Post
    First off they were surefire cells, second it was not bought from someone who used rit because I myself did.... I left it out over night to dry.... but that was three weeks ago!
    Hmm there might be something there... I am not sure how long a G2 needs to dry out after dye-ing, but I would guess a hairdryer and some extended time in the warm sun wouldn't hurt.

    Anyone know how Primaries respond in a high moisture environment? I could see a scenario where the cells vented/reacted gradually to the increased moisture trapped inside the light. Or the moisture by itself slowly causing rust and corrosion. I am not sure what the chemical composition of RIT dye is, but perhaps theres something in it that reacted with the cell chemistry?

    RIT DYE has an MSDS document on their www site but the link is broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce B View Post
    Um... Time for a new light I'd say...
    No excuse for that
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    you do know that moisture reacts with lithium? right.
    but that would mean also that a battery was unsealed.
    if that was the case, i shure would want to check the batts, before i shoved them in something else at least.

    i think you could not leave out the IDEA that a battery could be a problem with that kind of corrosion, unless you were using lye or sulferic acids :-) which both of them could look DRY, but they would pull water IN and become active once the water hit it again.
    (that was not proper chemistry , but the idea is the same)

    it is possible to have a small slow leaking of gas/solvent out of these Li type of batteries, and it smells corrosive :-) just the vapors, dont know if it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kramer5150 View Post
    Curious... is it one of the G2s being sold that have been RIT dyed? Water can collect between the nitrolon and metal body sleeve during the dye process. It needs to be thoroughly dried out before being put back into service.

    If there's trapped moisture in there... its hard to say what it would do to the cells.
    Still, water shouldn't do that to brass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post
    Still, water shouldn't do that to brass.
    Right *edit* no pun intended... but its not just water that was trapped in there. I'm speculating something in the Rit Dye+moisture reacted with the cells
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    Could it be chlorine gas reacting with brass? That explains all the symptoms, such as the blackening of the brass and the yellow/light brown residue.
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    All this talk about the death of a flashlight is depressing.

    Let's cheer things up

    Cosmo7809, Christmas is just around the corner, so if Surefire don't warranty it, let me know, and I'll send you a new and unopened G2

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    Are you sure that salt water came into the light?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VidPro View Post
    you do know that moisture reacts with lithium? right.
    but that would mean also that a battery was unsealed.
    if that was the case, i shure would want to check the batts, before i shoved them in something else at least.

    i think you could not leave out the IDEA that a battery could be a problem with that kind of corrosion, unless you were using lye or sulferic acids :-) which both of them could look DRY, but they would pull water IN and become active once the water hit it again.
    (that was not proper chemistry , but the idea is the same)

    it is possible to have a small slow leaking of gas/solvent out of these Li type of batteries, and it smells corrosive :-) just the vapors, dont know if it is.
    well, that is certainly possible.
    Primaries are designed to vent if necessary at around 15 psi. the cell may have safely vented and filled the flashlight body with whatever gaseous byproduct and that in term reacted with whatever that was inside the body before the venting: water vapor, reactive lube...
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    Default Re: WHAT THE %$#@ (Pic Heavy)

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeA View Post
    Could it be chlorine gas reacting with brass? That explains all the symptoms, such as the blackening of the brass and the yellow/light brown residue.
    how would chlorine have been in the light?
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