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    Default Re: Malkoff LED drop-in for Surefires Spec List

    Is there by any chance a runtime graph of the M30 on a primary 123? Or was it not designed for a CR123 to start with?
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    See post 38 and 39. Not a graph but output and runtime from other CPF members.
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=1#post2533612

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotRegulated View Post
    See post 38 and 39. Not a graph but output and runtime from other CPF members.
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=1#post2533612
    Thank you.

    The reason why I was curious if the M30 wasn't really designed for one primary CR123 is there are several reviews with output data over time for rechargerables, but seems like no one did a chart with a primary cell.

    If Gene can make a TIR version of the M31 it would be a real winner for a lot of reasons.
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    Default Re: Malkoff LED drop-in for Surefires Spec List

    The M60W, M60WL, M60WF, and M60WLF and some early M61W, M61WL and M61WLL were about 4000K and comparable to the OverReady Neutrals. The later versions of the M61 warms were about 3700K, "warmer" in tint. this can be a little confusing.

    I recently bought a M61-219 and a M61L-219. Despite all the ravings about the 219, my initial impression is 4500K isn't warm enough for me. I'm going to live with them a while longer and see if they grow on me.
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    Where does M60N/NF falls in? Looks like 4000k to me. There are not much information about the M60N type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbw_151 View Post
    The M60W, M60WL, M60WF, and M60WLF and some early M61W, M61WL and M61WLL were about 4000K and comparable to the OverReady Neutrals. The later versions of the M61 warms were about 3700K, "warmer" in tint. this can be a little confusing.

    I recently bought a M61-219 and a M61L-219. Despite all the ravings about the 219, my initial impression is 4500K isn't warm enough for me. I'm going to live with them a while longer and see if they grow on me.

    I believe the stages of the m61w were 5000k, then switched to 4200k, then 3700k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerealand View Post
    I believe the stages of the m61w were 5000k, then switched to 4200k, then 3700k.
    How do you identify them from the various color temperature? Can you tell by just looking at the drop in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benchiew View Post
    How do you identify them from the various color temperature? Can you tell by just looking at the drop in?
    Those were the temperatures I got from reading the forum. I do/had two M61w drop-ins. One was 3700k, which was really warm. The current one I have now is 5000k. It's a lil bit cool (Engraved M61W), the person I purchased it from stated it was 5000k version. My guess is the 4200k would be similar to the tint of the M61N from Oveready (4200k).

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    Is there some place that has this information in regards to all the generations of wildcats and hound dogs? The product listings at malkoffdevices only has the most recent offerings and his spec sheet is back from when the hound dog only was at 350lumens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwall85 View Post
    Is there some place that has this information in regards to all the generations of wildcats and hound dogs? The product listings at malkoffdevices only has the most recent offerings and his spec sheet is back from when the hound dog only was at 350lumens...
    I may have something like this. I've always copy/pasted the details from his website every time I purchased a drop-in, Wildcat, Hound Dog, etc. It definitely helped especially when he made different version drop-ins years and years ago. It was tough to remember what the engravings meant after not seeing them for so long. I know I have it saved on some hard drive in some folder in folder. I'll dig around and see what I can find.

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    I'm using the Malkoff M91A drop in, in my SureFire Z2 - I had to upgrade to 3.2v rechargeables, before the light output was bright enough for me.

    I'm looking into upgrading to 4.2v (rcr123 x2) rechargeables, and hope it helps the output even more.

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    I'd really like a Z3 to accompany my Malkoff M91A

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny0000 View Post
    I may have something like this. I've always copy/pasted the details from his website every time I purchased a drop-in, Wildcat, Hound Dog, etc. It definitely helped especially when he made different version drop-ins years and years ago. It was tough to remember what the engravings meant after not seeing them for so long. I know I have it saved on some hard drive in some folder in folder. I'll dig around and see what I can find.
    that would be great! Let me know if you find it somewhere...

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    Great job doing this, NotRegulated, and everyone else that helped out to put it together and keep it updated.

    I was just thinking about this today as I have been building up my Malkoff drop-in collection for the last few months. I find myself wanting/buying various drop-ins when I don't have enough hosts for them all. Good thing the Low versions can work in Nitrolon/plastic lights. Less expensive hosts for those. That and I've been getting a few VME heads and e-series bodies which make great little pocket rockets.

    Anyway, the point of this post is that I have an addition for the graph: M91W, please. I have one and love it, but would like to know specs on it at some point. (besides it being 5.5-12v...)
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    Default Re: Malkoff LED drop-in for Surefires Spec List

    new specs for XM-L2 M91 series:

    M91A: http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop/m...pin-p-107.html (825 lumens on start/750 lumens when warm)

    M91AW: http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop/m...pin-p-113.html (700 start/625 warmed up lumens)
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    Noticed on CPFMP (WTB) that Gene did a one time experimental custom run of the new Cree XM-L2 T6 LED in both the M91 and M61 configuration. Hand engraved by Gene: "M61 XMLT6" and "M91 XMLT6". The member who opened the 3D writes:
    On two that I turned on, the tint is a very pleasing bright with none of the blueish tint common in the U2. More towards the neutral, but not warm. The hotspot is very diffused within the beam. The beam size is a little larger than a normal M61 with about 20% more output. Fantastic for walking or room clearing.



    This configuration is not planned to be available in the future. Gene used this for experimentation, and to fill a large order outstanding for a client. I was able to get the over runs of this ONE TIME production. Please do not ask him to do more, as he emphatically stated that he is just to busy for custom work.

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    Interesting. Any more reports on this? Runtime? Power draw?

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    Brand new! M361-LMH

    XP-G2
    The input voltage is 3.4 - 6 volts. Input voltages of more 6 volts may destroy this module. Below 3.4 volts it will drop out of regulation and run direct drive. This dropin is protected from reverse polarity.

    Summary of Modes: 15 lumens/80 lumens/400 lumens

    Current Draw: 50 mah/270 mah/1450 mah
    Last edited by donn_; 07-13-2013 at 05:03 AM. Reason: Update Max Voltage in to 6, per GM.

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    Default Re: Malkoff LED drop-in for Surefires Spec List

    All the M60 and M30 variants in the chart show to use an XP-G. XR-E is more like it... no? I've been trying to figure if most used the EZ1000 die or if any had the higher surface brightness of the EZ900 in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inliner View Post
    All the M60 and M30 variants in the chart show to use an XP-G. XR-E is more like it... no? I've been trying to figure if most used the EZ1000 die or if any had the higher surface brightness of the EZ900 in them.
    How do you physically tell if the xre is a ez900 or ez1000?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donn_ View Post
    Brand new! M361-LMH

    XP-G2
    The input voltage is 3.4 - 5 volts. Input voltages of more 5.5 volts may destroy this module. Below 3.4 volts it will drop out of regulation and run direct drive. This dropin is protected from reverse polarity.

    Summary of Modes: 15 lumens/80 lumens/400 lumens

    Current Draw: 50 mah/270 mah/1450 mah
    Thanks Donn. Great idea to record the specs in this thread.

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    I was planning on buying the M361-LMH to drop in a bored SF 6P but Malkoff want $40 for shipping to the UK!!!! :-(

    I've just paid $16.75 shipping for a SF Fury, so $40 to ship a drop-in a definitely a deal breaker.

    Hopefully one of the other suppliers will carry these with a reasonable airmail charge.

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    I think Malkoff only uses EMS for non conus shipment. Possibly from past losses incurred whilst using the airmail.
    Asking $40 is not being unreasonable as that is what USPS will charge to use this service. Unreasonable is when a seller charges above what it actually cost.

    If you want to know a cost effective way to ship, please PM me and I will point you to the right direction.

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    Default Re: Malkoff LED drop-in for Surefires Spec List

    Quote Originally Posted by Benchiew View Post
    How do you physically tell if the xre is a ez900 or ez1000?





    Ez900 on right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inliner View Post


    Ez900 on right
    Is the die a bit smaller on the ez900?
    I don't see other difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benchiew View Post
    Is the die a bit smaller on the ez900?
    I don't see other difference.
    the EZ900 I believe does have a smaller die. maybe .9mm x .9mm versus the 1000 which I think is 1x1mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobrien View Post
    the EZ900 I believe does have a smaller die. maybe .9mm x .9mm versus the 1000 which I think is 1x1mm
    You are right, I noticed the difference now. The EZ1000 has a larger led die. And it puts out a bigger hot spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benchiew View Post
    You are right, I noticed the difference now. The EZ1000 has a larger led die. And it puts out a bigger hot spot.
    nice.

    so was I correct about the dimensions? I was posting those from memory haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobrien View Post
    nice.

    so was I correct about the dimensions? I was posting those from memory haha
    Yes. The footprint is the same but led die differs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave D View Post
    I was planning on buying the M361-LMH to drop in a bored SF 6P but Malkoff want $40 for shipping to the UK!!!! :-(

    I've just paid $16.75 shipping for a SF Fury, so $40 to ship a drop-in a definitely a deal breaker.

    Hopefully one of the other suppliers will carry these with a reasonable airmail charge.
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