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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    DX MC-E is in... No chance to do any thorough evaluation yet.

    This is the actual module that MrGman measured at 350L and 150L.

    With a white trustfire 18650 it draws 2.35A on high and .80A on low in an Ultrafire 503B host. Which is considerably more than I think other members are measuring. I am not sure what current it delivers to the LED though. It is very bright though... on high it makes my 1.350A XR-E DIY modules look dim by comparison.



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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Those current draw measurments look promissing, certainly better than the previous reports. I would guess your's is probably brighter than MrGman's measurement of 350 and 150 lumens. Do you feel this is the case?

    I hope this isn't one randome fluke module. It would be great if this is the result of a change to the driver.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Kramer... that Ultrafire of yours looks like an exact clone, contour for contour, knurling, etc. to the Solarforce L2.... it sure looks like the same company is making the bodies/heads/tailcaps! Perhaps there is just a single company that makes the product and sells them under two (or more) of their own brand labels. Or, a single company makes the flashlights and then sells these exact same products to Solarforce, Ultrafire, etc. I wonder if anyone here really knows what the scoop is.
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by NigelBond View Post
    Those current draw measurments look promissing, certainly better than the previous reports. I would guess your's is probably brighter than MrGman's measurement of 350 and 150 lumens. Do you feel this is the case?

    I hope this isn't one randome fluke module. It would be great if this is the result of a change to the driver.
    I don't really have anything else at these lumen values to compare it with, and I think his measurement methods are very accurate. My current measurements probably are not too accurate too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHart View Post
    Kramer... that Ultrafire of yours looks like an exact clone, contour for contour, knurling, etc. to the Solarforce L2.... it sure looks like the same company is making the bodies/heads/tailcaps! Perhaps there is just a single company that makes the product and sells them under two (or more) of their own brand labels. Or, a single company makes the flashlights and then sells these exact same products to Solarforce, Ultrafire, etc. I wonder if anyone here really knows what the scoop is.
    It wouldn't surprise me if they all came from the same sub-contract fabricator in China. With different levels of machning/finishing quality from brand to brand.

    I don' t think we'll ever really know for sure though.
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    I honestly can't see all of these China & Hong Kong (yes I know it's part of China, but they seem to prefer to differentiate themselves) based light companies having their own factories for machining their products - the capital outlay for that would be immense.

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    What battery did you use? 6V or 7.2? or a single 18650?

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    What P60 sized drop-in will have the best throw? More than 100 yards? A runtime of 20mins will be fine, batteries can be either 18650 or 2x 16340's.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by aesix View Post
    What battery did you use? 6V or 7.2? or a single 18650?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sober View Post
    What P60 sized drop-in will have the best throw? More than 100 yards? A runtime of 20mins will be fine, batteries can be either 18650 or 2x 16340's.

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    Trustfire white 18650, DX:12397

    bigchellis gave me a Deerelight smooth P60 reflector IMHO it increases throw over the standard OP types sold at DX. This reflector paired with any 1-1.4A driven Q5 XR-E will be about as much throw as you can get in a tight budget. AFIAK BOG and I think deerelight sell far throw versions of their modules.
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Agree about SMO reflector. I tend to like LOP better, but SMO does in fact SPOT!
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    ok, I've read alot of this and previous threads. What I already have:

    Malkoff M30WF
    Malkoff M30
    Deree 3SD Q5, 3SM Q3 5A, 3SD Q3 5A, 3SM R2, MCE
    A few DX P4s of various ilks

    What I want:

    A couple of additional drop-ins (I've just been bitten by the Solarforce L2 host). I'm not looking for tons of throw; a really smooth beam and better tint are both more important to me than throw (I have a DBS, various incans and HID for that). Less expensive would be nice if possible.

    I also have a couple of WE lights that could use a module; I know that means only WE modules. How are they regarded for output and circuit vs the other brands available?

    Is the Solarforce R2 just a rebadged DX'er?
    The Phaser: A nice EDC with great throw; heat and runtime can be issues.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaserburn View Post
    ok, I've read alot of this and previous threads. What I already have:

    Malkoff M30WF
    Malkoff M30
    Deree 3SD Q5, 3SM Q3 5A, 3SD Q3 5A, 3SM R2, MCE
    A few DX P4s of various ilks

    What I want:

    A couple of additional drop-ins (I've just been bitten by the Solarforce L2 host). I'm not looking for tons of throw; a really smooth beam and better tint are both more important to me than throw (I have a DBS, various incans and HID for that). Less expensive would be nice if possible.

    I also have a couple of WE lights that could use a module; I know that means only WE modules. How are they regarded for output and circuit vs the other brands available?

    Is the Solarforce R2 just a rebadged DX'er?
    The M30 (and WF version) also behaves like a low output module (~45L IIRC) when used with 18650 1.2V NiMH. I think this would work great with your M30WF. I don't think you can get any warmer or smoother than that. I think NiMH cells that size also have ~4000 mah capacity, so you get additional run time. Theres a thread on it somewhere, I think the MrGman sticky thread.

    Not sure if solarforce is rebranded DX or vise-versa... or if another OEM fabricator in china makes them for both. The DX144442 I got a few months ago has a solarforce R2-M label on it, and more importantly behaves a lot like the other reports of "legit" solarforce R2-M modules.... ~140L on high.
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Stuff I need to know:

    I just had a customer ask me about some AA sized bodies I carry. I dont know the answer.

    Whats a good list of P60 drop ins for a body that takes one two or three AA sized cells, 14500 or NIMH or alkaline, lithium, etc.

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    Cool, what are there any 3 volt dropins or better yet less than 3 volt dropins?
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    I've made a few using a buck/boost from DX that was intended for a single AA host that can handle a lithium ion 14500. I don't know that there are any complete ones available anywhere that will go as low as that one (0.7V I think).

    A nice 2 AA option is the Malkoff M30. It should be able to handle 3 AA as well. I've never tried it with a single to know if it will go that low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaserburn View Post
    I'm not looking for tons of throw; a really smooth beam and better tint are both more important to me than throw (I have a DBS, various incans and HID for that). Less expensive would be nice if possible.

    Is the Solarforce R2 just a rebadged DX'er?
    Deal sku 4068 is SSC p4 drop-in, so the beam pattern supposed to be more smooth and flood than cree drop-ins. Check it out if interested.

    There are some rumors regarding that. Can not be sure or confirmed, but I won't be supprised if all of them come from the same factory with different label.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by seaside View Post
    Deal sku 4068 is SSC p4 drop-in, so the beam pattern supposed to be more smooth and flood than cree drop-ins. Check it out if interested.

    There are some rumors regarding that. Can not be sure or confirmed, but I won't be supprised if all of them come from the same factory with different label.
    Yeah, I think I will check out 4068; it seems to be backordered for another week, however. Anyone already have one ?
    The Phaser: A nice EDC with great throw; heat and runtime can be issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schiesz View Post
    I've made a few using a buck/boost from DX that was intended for a single AA host that can handle a lithium ion 14500. I don't know that there are any complete ones available anywhere that will go as low as that one (0.7V I think).

    A nice 2 AA option is the Malkoff M30. It should be able to handle 3 AA as well. I've never tried it with a single to know if it will go that low.
    what schiesz said....that driver (also found in KaiDomain) is the only real option...There is also another 3V 500mA board in DX but the latest version is aout 50% effciency and 16mm diam...

    Were to find modules with 14mm driver sockets we would have a party installing LEDShoppe drivers!!!! ( but I am working on a way to adaptinf the 17mm socket modules )

    Now I do not know about the malkoffs....

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Anyone have beamshots of the Lumens Factory D26 single mode R2?


    My ebay cheapie Q5 dropin is starting to have issues and i'm not going to replace the emitter for the 2nd time.. lol.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Wow so many options I had no idea flash lights could be so specialized

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdave View Post
    Anyone have beamshots of the Lumens Factory D26 single mode R2?
    I'd really like to see those as well... if anyone can provide that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kramer5150 View Post
    The M30 (and WF version) also behaves like a low output module (~45L IIRC) when used with 18650 1.2V NiMH. I think this would work great with your M30WF. I don't think you can get any warmer or smoother than that. I think NiMH cells that size also have ~4000 mah capacity, so you get additional run time. Theres a thread on it somewhere, I think the MrGman sticky thread.

    Not sure if solarforce is rebranded DX or vise-versa... or if another OEM fabricator in china makes them for both. The DX144442 I got a few months ago has a solarforce R2-M label on it, and more importantly behaves a lot like the other reports of "legit" solarforce R2-M modules.... ~140L on high.
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/....php?p=2785793

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Anyone know if it's possible to buy empty P60 pills and reflectors to make your own drop-ins?

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Look for DX sku 5955 or 3257.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by rmteo View Post
    Look for DX sku 5955 or 3257.
    Thank you.

    Never thought of using those search terms there.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    BTW, Lumens Factory now has a regulated 3-mode P60/D26 drop-in with memory and a warm emitter.

    I am guessing from the specs that it starts on low instead of high like most multi-mode drop-ins.

    The working voltage is from 6-13v though, so not good for single 18650/17670 lights
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rose View Post
    Thank you.

    Never thought of using those search terms there.
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    I went ahead and ordered the LF single mode D26 last night, I'll get some beamshots of it VS a few different D26 dropins when it arrives.
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Got the LF one today, I'm very impressed!

    It blows away my old ebay dropin, the hotspot isn't perfect but who cares..


    Beamshots tomorrow VS a M60 and P60L
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    you know you can focus it to yor lining don't you?

    just screw/unscrew the reflector to your liking...

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by kosPap View Post
    you know you can focus it to yor lining don't you?

    just screw/unscrew the reflector to your liking...

    Yah, but it's good enough..


    Here is a .gif beamshot comparison. The exposure is a little high but you get the idea.



    The LF assembly throws just as good if not better than the M60, it maintains a tight hotspot too. The target on the tree is ~35' from the camera. Don't mind the drywall, I'm in the middle of re-doing my basement so there is stuff all lover my back yard.
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