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    didn't know there's such a difference between the XPG and LC-1
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Notsure Fire on 11-01-2010 06:38 PM GMTdidn't know there's such a difference between the XPG and LC-1

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by notsobrite on 11-06-2010 10:23 AM GMTdoes anyone know of a 2 mode hi/med or hi/lo xp-g drop-in?

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by kosPap on 11-07-2010 02:54 AM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by don.gwapo
    Has anyone tried/have a lumens factory lamp assembly on solarforce L2's line? I wanna try one if they fit/work without any mods? Thanks.
    do not worry,,,LF modules are standard as like any other regarding size & components (see their pics) and the L2 has the most generous space inside.... do not worry,,,LF modules are standard as like any other regarding size & components (see their pics) and the L2 has the most generous space inside....

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by kosPap on 11-07-2010 02:57 AM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by notsobrite
    does anyone know of a 2 mode hi/med or hi/lo xp-g drop-in?
    no, not unless you or soemone else makes one with AMC7135 chip board....soem of them are configurable, KD sells ahi-lo one and maybe Nailbender can make one if he has not already that option available no, not unless you or soemone else makes one with AMC7135 chip board....soem of them are configurable, KD sells ahi-lo one and maybe Nailbender can make one if he has not already that option available

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by notsobrite on 11-08-2010 12:27 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by kosPap
    no, not unless you or soemone else makes one with AMC7135 chip board....soem of them are configurable, KD sells ahi-lo one and maybe Nailbender can make one if he has not already that option available
    no- nailbender doesn't offer that option

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by fatheadhill on 11-09-2010 07:52 PM GMTJust curious if anyone had any experience withthese.., just spotted them. I'm not very familiar with drop-ins with their own optics, but it looks interesting.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by psychbeat on 11-10-2010 01:20 AM GMTlooks just like the neosekian modules?not feelin the 4-9v personallyI prefer single 18650.probably throws pretty well tho!

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Superorb on 11-10-2010 08:01 AM GMTSo has there been a new P60 dropin released lately that has modes and a LOW low mode, like 1L? The Thrunite XPG I have is the lowest low I have at 5-10L.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Black Rose on 11-10-2010 09:43 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by psychbeat
    looks just like the neosekian modules?
    Manufacturer: Titanium Innovations / Neofab Manufacturer: Titanium Innovations / Neofab

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by kosPap on 11-11-2010 02:00 AM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by notsobrite
    no- nailbender doesn't offer that option
    ???? ????Cree XP-G -$35 (levels are 100% / 40% / 5% )2 levels High / Low 2.8-6 volts with memory/ 1.4 amphttp://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=282416

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by JonnyC on 11-11-2010 09:11 AM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by psychbeat
    not feelin the 4-9v personallyI prefer single 18650.
    I agree. Does someone make a plastic sleeve that would allow you to run two R123A's instead of a 18650 without any rattle? Basically, a 1mm thick sleeve with an OD of 18mm? I agree. Does someone make a plastic sleeve that would allow you to run two R123A's instead of a 18650 without any rattle? Basically, a 1mm thick sleeve with an OD of 18mm?I'm having a hard time deciding on a drop-in for an L2m long-throw weapon light build. The D1000 is intriguing, so is the M61 (too pricey), and also nailbender's XR-E with 8 degree optic. For now though I just tossed in a XR-E R2 drop-in to an order on DX just for the hell of it.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 11-11-2010 10:38 AM GMTIf you don't mind using unprotected cells, you could run two 18350's in place of one 18650. 18350's have the same diameter as an 18650 (so no worries about any additional rattle) plus more capacity/runtime than 16340s. But I'm also one who finds a single 18650 to generally be the best way to go.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by linterno on 11-12-2010 04:38 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyC
    Does someone make a plastic sleeve that would allow you to run two R123A's instead of a 18650 without any rattle? Basically, a 1mm thick sleeve with an OD of 18mm?
    Masking tape around the cell will do the trick. Masking tape around the cell will do the trick.EDIT: typo correction.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 11-12-2010 04:50 PM GMTWhat I've done is just take a small piece of cardboard or two about the length of the battery(s) and use it as a shim between the battery and the flashlight to take up any excess space. I use this approach with the Solarforce L2p to take up the extra room it has around 18650's. Simple and works fine for me.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by harddrive on 11-14-2010 10:40 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by don.gwapo
    Has anyone tried/have a lumens factory lamp assembly on solarforce L2's line? I wanna try one if they fit/work without any mods? Thanks.
    Yes I have two lumens factory drop-ins and they work fine in solarforce L2, L2P, L2M. You need the outer spring fitted to make them work. Yes I have two lumens factory drop-ins and they work fine in solarforce L2, L2P, L2M. You need the outer spring fitted to make them work. I recently got the Lumens factory XPG single mode and the tint is a bit green. I also have the single mode low voltage XR-E R2 which is a really nice drop-in with perfect white tint and excellent throw.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by deeuubee on 11-15-2010 03:16 PM GMTMy Solarforce L2X and 3 dropins arrived.XPG 0.8-4.2v R5 3 mode w/memoryXR-E 0.8-4.2v WC R2 3 mode w/ memoryP7 - 3.0-6.0v 1 modeThere is a big difference in brightness between the XPG and the XR-E.They are both bright, but the XPG has a much brighter hot spot.It's hard to compare the P7 to the other two. It's super bright, but all flood.Tuikku if you want FLOOD, the Solarforce P7 - 3-6v is all flood and bright.I ran it for 15-20 mins. and, it got warm but not hot.I'll try to put up pictures tomorrow.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by psychbeat on 11-16-2010 05:11 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyC
    I agree. Does someone make a plastic sleeve that would allow you to run two R123A's instead of a 18650 without any rattle? Basically, a 1mm thick sleeve with an OD of 18mm?I'm having a hard time deciding on a drop-in for an L2m long-throw weapon light build. The D1000 is intriguing, so is the M61 (too pricey), and also nailbender's XR-E with 8 degree optic. For now though I just tossed in a XR-E R2 drop-in to an order on DX just for the hell of it.
    Just get Nailbender to do an X-RE for you with a SMO reflector Just get Nailbender to do an X-RE for you with a SMO reflector then u can run 18650sI put that blue painters tape on my 18650s for when they rattle in myL2P... I also had to pull the spring out so it was tighter so it didnt changemodes while DH MTB'ing- super annoying.

    Solarforce LC-XPG (R5, 3 modes, 0.8V-4.2V) BeamshotsWritten by iWiLL on 11-16-2010 06:53 PM GMTI took some beamshots with my Solarforce LC-XPG low volage (R5, 3 modes, 0.8V-4.2V) drop-ins today.This drop-in is a clear winner, it is brighter at 4.1V than the single mode XPG (R5, single mode, 3V-18V) at 8.2V.Solarforce LC-XPG (R5, 3 modes, 0.8V-4.2V) vs Solarforce LC-XPG (R5, single mode, 3V-18V):http://www.sasv.at/images/iwill/sola....jpg[/img]http://www.sasv.at/images/iwill/sola....jpg[/img]Was not sure if I mixed up the pictures so I took another side by side:http://www.sasv.at/images/iwill/sola....jpg[/img]http://www.sasv.at/images/iwill/sola....jpg[/img]How low can it go? Well, it will not work below 1V.http://www.sasv.at/images/iwill/sola....jpg[/img]Powered by two AA batteries in a L2R host:http://www.sasv.at/images/iwill/sola....jpg[/img]http://www.sasv.at/images/iwill/sola....jpg[/img]Solarforce LC-XPG (R5, 3 modes, 0.8V-4.2V) vs Solarforce LC-XPG (R5, single mode, 3V-18V) both at 4.1V:http://www.sasv.at/images/iwill/sola....jpg[/img]http://www.sasv.at/images/iwill/sola....jpg[/img]I took a few more pictures, if you like any other comparison (vs Solarforce LC-1 XR-E drop-in) just let me know.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by deeuubee on 11-16-2010 08:02 PM GMTiWiLL...Thanks, I was just about to ask that question.ps - what resolution and size are you using for your pictures? They're really clearI'm going to ask them for an OP reflector. I'm wondering how it would compare to the P7 drop in.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 11-16-2010 08:07 PM GMTI got one of those Solarforce low voltage 3 mode XPG drop ins too. It's nice (and a great value at $15) but I think I might rather have it with an OP reflector. I just prefer a smoother transition from the hot spot to the spill. But that thing is very bright, that's for sure.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by PerttiK on 11-17-2010 09:50 AM GMTAnyone seen any neutral white dropins?Besides deree Q5 5C...

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pounder on 11-17-2010 04:47 PM GMTI just got the solarforce xp-g 5 mode 4.2-8.4v drop-in and found something very odd..it is brighter using 1 18650 rather than 2 16340's..this is the opposite of my xr-e R2 drop-in (single mode 3-18v) which was brighter on 2 16340's vs 18650..this has been verified with pictures and although they are close you can see the slight difference..I also tested it with my iphone light meter app which showed 1/4 second shutter with the 16340's and 1/6 s shutter on the 18650 (aperture and iso were the same)..meaning the 18650 is slightly brighter..i'm glad with these findings because the 18650 lasts longer than the 16340's..but why would this be the case? everything i've ever used love higher voltages over lower voltages..these tests were performed right as the light was activated, so no heat was present..

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Moses Mok on 11-18-2010 10:42 PM GMTpounder: I'm guessing the driver may be dropping out of regulation on a single li-ion cell application (<4.2v) and putting the emitter to direct drive. This may result in it being brighter than a 2 li-ion cell setup.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pounder on 11-19-2010 12:14 AM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by Moses Mok
    pounder: I'm guessing the driver may be dropping out of regulation on a single li-ion cell application (<4.2v) and putting the emitter to direct drive. This may result in it being brighter than a 2 li-ion cell setup.
    yeah you may have something..that or cell sag..but the regulation seems more likely.. yeah you may have something..that or cell sag..but the regulation seems more likely..

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by John N on 11-19-2010 10:56 PM GMTAnyone have a source for rings to help mate dropins w/outer spring to some light hosts?Seems like there was a Beryllium-Copper spring washer sold for Malkoff dropins, but they seem to be gone now.I also thought I saw what looked like about a 12ga wire soldered or welded into a ring somewhere, but I can't remember where.Anyone know where to find such beasts?Thanks,-john

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Chicago X on 11-20-2010 06:10 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by John N
    Anyone have a source for rings to help mate dropins w/outer spring to some light hosts?{snip}...Thanks,-john
    I'm on a quest for the same thing. I'll report back from the hardware store. I'm on a quest for the same thing. I'll report back from the hardware store.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by High-Low-Yo on 11-21-2010 02:26 PM GMTI purchased the 5-Mode drop-in from Battery Junction for my P60, and it works great! Much brighter than the original beam and batteries last a lot longer , even on High mode!

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by blkdawg on 11-21-2010 10:08 PM GMTI recently got 2 DX XP-G drop in. SKU 32954."Cree XP-G R5 5-mode 320 lumen white light LED drop in module 3.7v~18v."Right off the bag one went . Trying it on my dad's 6P with 2 RCR123a. The other one didn't but it would turn bluish after 30-50sec of run-time and with RCR123 one time it went totally blue and i had to shut it of quickly. Still runs, but i'm a little worry. Does anybody else have this kind of problem with Dealxtreme XP-G? Seems like they are just POS.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 11-22-2010 12:48 AM GMTI have one of those DX XPG drop ins. Mine has been working fine for about 5 months. I run it for several hours per night bouncing it off the ceiling for some low level ambient lighting so it's seen hundreds of hours of use and is still working fine.On the other hand, my Solarforce XRE R2 low voltage drop in just stopped working properly. It no longer switches modes reliably and it's hard to get it to even turn on. Putting it a different host doesn't cause it to work any better.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by kosPap on 11-22-2010 04:09 AM GMTI had two modules like that, and I have located the problem...These modules with modes have a sandwich PCB...one on top of the other...wires to the led are soldered ontop of the sandwich...then a Kapton like tape is applied....BUTthe boards are rather high for the pill inside volume...mate that to the tape not sticking properly, and you have a Short....My solution was to remove the board, resolder the wires as low as possible then put Kapton tape in the INSIDE of the brass pill.....
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by John N on 12-10-2010 11:58 AM GMTYes, I think the 3000mah 18650s to date are most suitable to low drain applications. I think the poster should cruise on over to the battery section and investigate before they buy.-john

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Aaron1100us on 12-10-2010 06:25 PM GMTAnother question. Is the single 1860 the way to go with the Solarforce light and XM-L T6 LED? Its the 3V to 18V version. One 18650 is 3.7v and two CR123 are 6V. Won't it be brighter with two CR123 than one 3.7V 18650?

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 12-10-2010 06:33 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron1100us
    Another question. Is the single 1860 the way to go with the Solarforce light and XM-L T6 LED? Its the 3V to 18V version. One 18650 is 3.7v and two CR123 are 6V. Won't it be brighter with two CR123 than one 3.7V 18650?
    You could use either 1 or more li-ion batteries with that drop in due to the wide voltage range it accepts. It will not necessarily be noticeably brighter with more than one cell. At least that has been my experience with other drop-ins that can take one or more li-ion cells. As the available voltage goes up, the current draw goes down, ime, so that may be why there isn't much of a noticeable difference. But my experience is limited to only a few different drop ins. Perhaps some get brighter with higher voltage. I just haven't seen that happen with the drop-ins I've experimented with. With more than one cell, however, you will get much longer runtime than you would with just one cell, (obviously, assuming the cells are all the same capacity). You could use either 1 or more li-ion batteries with that drop in due to the wide voltage range it accepts. It will not necessarily be noticeably brighter with more than one cell. At least that has been my experience with other drop-ins that can take one or more li-ion cells. As the available voltage goes up, the current draw goes down, ime, so that may be why there isn't much of a noticeable difference. But my experience is limited to only a few different drop ins. Perhaps some get brighter with higher voltage. I just haven't seen that happen with the drop-ins I've experimented with. With more than one cell, however, you will get much longer runtime than you would with just one cell, (obviously, assuming the cells are all the same capacity).

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Aaron1100us on 12-10-2010 06:51 PM GMTOk, thanks. I just need to figure out which would have longer run time, two 1300mah CR123 or one 2400mah 18650? I don't really care about run time too much as this will just be a light for fun. But I would like the longest run time possible with this set up. I like the size of a two CR123 or single 18650 light, don't want any extensions to add more cells. At least with the 18650, it would be rechargeable.Does anyone have a light with this LED and a single 18650 or two CR123? Any beam shots of this LED? Wonder what it will be like compared to my TK45?

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 12-10-2010 07:31 PM GMTIn general, you are much safer using a single higher capacity li-ion cell rather than 2 or more cells. This is because it is very easy to over discharge the smaller cells and when they are in a multiple cell configuration that can be very dangerous, especially with li-ion cells. You can read about the potential dangers in the battery section of this forum. But aside from the dangers, there is also a high likelihood of damaging the smaller cells because li-ion cells suffer damage when they are over discharged.In sum, you are much better off not having to worry about the potential issues and dangers of using multiple li-ion cells in a single flashlight if you don't have to. So I would strongly recommend using a single 18650 over two or more smaller cells.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Aaron1100us on 12-11-2010 05:11 AM GMTJust ordered two protected trust fire 18650's and charger from DX. Hmm, now all I have to do is wait for everything to get here, can't wait to see what this light is going to be like.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by tandem on 12-17-2010 12:29 PM GMTFYI Nailbender is now taking orders on a limited basis for XM-L drop-ins, driven at 3.1 amps. SeePart 8 of Dave's sales thread for details.(and prepare to wait in line!)

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Superorb on 12-17-2010 12:31 PM GMTHas there been a P60 dropin released recently that has a LOW low mode of less than 5L or is the Thrunite XP-G 2.7-4.2v still the lowest low mode dropin?

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 12-17-2010 01:05 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb
    Has there been a P60 dropin released recently that has a LOW low mode of less than 5L or is the Thrunite XP-G 2.7-4.2v still the lowest low mode dropin?
    Not that I am aware of, however, the XPG 5 mode drop-in I got from DX for about $14 shipped has the lowest low I have yet seen on a P60 style drop-in. I'm not sure of the lumen value although I would expect it probably is a bit more than 5 lumens (probably more like 10~20 lumen if I had to guess). Perhaps my example of that drop in is unusual but even the medium mode has fairly low output. It only uses about 450 mAh's of battery capacity to run continuously for 8 or 9 hours in medium mode. Not that I am aware of, however, the XPG 5 mode drop-in I got from DX for about $14 shipped has the lowest low I have yet seen on a P60 style drop-in. I'm not sure of the lumen value although I would expect it probably is a bit more than 5 lumens (probably more like 10~20 lumen if I had to guess). Perhaps my example of that drop in is unusual but even the medium mode has fairly low output. It only uses about 450 mAh's of battery capacity to run continuously for 8 or 9 hours in medium mode. I haven't tested but I expect the low mode would probably consume about half as much capacity as the medium mode and possibly even less. If I remember, I'll test how much capacity it consumes on low mode after I get some of my other drop ins, which unfortunately developed defects within a few months of purchase, replaced. Ironically, it's that DX drop-in which has turned out to be the most reliable of my drop-ins so far (as well as having the lowest low), although I've heard reports that several others have not had such great luck with that model.The XML drop in I ordered from Kai Domain has finally shipped so I hopefully will be receiving it in another week or two. It will be interesting to see how much it draws at the tail on high. KD didn't provide much info about it on their site.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Superorb on 12-17-2010 01:35 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by pae77
    The XML drop in I ordered from Kai Domain has finally shipped so I hopefully will be receiving it in another week or two. It will be interesting to see how much it draws at the tail on high. KD didn't provide much info about it on their site.
    XM-L = a new emitter? XM-L = a new emitter?

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by tandem on 12-17-2010 01:38 PM GMTNailbender's regulated multi-stage drivers all seem to have a 5% low on them and that seems about right in my experience - one XR-E module I have puts out roughly 10ish lumens on low.However.... if low is more important to you than max, maybe you could approach this by having him build you a multi-level high CRI light (which start out with lower max brightness), possibly with one of the non-Cree emitters (maybe a P4 warm high CRI?).If you've not already asked Dave what the lowest low combo of emitter and driver he has maybe that's an option to try.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 12-17-2010 01:44 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb
    XM-L = a new emitter?
    Yes, XML is the next new Cree emitter, i.e., replacing the XPG as the latest thing. Supposed to be approximately 20% more efficient than XPG and can be driven considerably harder and therefore can go brighter. Remains to be seen how they actually perform and what the tints are like. They are just starting to appear and become available in some drop ins and lights. Yes, XML is the next new Cree emitter, i.e., replacing the XPG as the latest thing. Supposed to be approximately 20% more efficient than XPG and can be driven considerably harder and therefore can go brighter. Remains to be seen how they actually perform and what the tints are like. They are just starting to appear and become available in some drop ins and lights.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by tandem on 12-17-2010 01:55 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb
    XM-L = a new emitter?
    Yes, a new line in the Cree family of XLamps (from which the XP-G comes). A larger emitter it'll tend to be naturally more floody and have less throw than the XP-G, much as the XP-G tends to have less throw than an XR-E. Yes, a new line in the Cree family of XLamps (from which the XP-G comes). A larger emitter it'll tend to be naturally more floody and have less throw than the XP-G, much as the XP-G tends to have less throw than an XR-E.When driven lightly it might compete with the XP-G in lights but the big claim to fame is that it can be driven much harder. Check this post out for a comparison of output between XP-G and XM-L at various currents. The XP-G max forward current is 1.5 Amp while the XM-L max forward current is 3A. The SST50 max forward current is 5A. At ~ 3A apparently the XM-L will approach or meet the SST-50 in output, if I've read that correctly. Whatever the on-the-ground truth is, this is the next evolutionary step up from an XP-G for increased output in a P60 module without going to much greater expense.Here are some beam shots comparing XM-L vs SST-50. Scroll to the bottom of this post for two XM-L beamshots. Edit: Here is a new review (2010-12-18) of two ThruNite Catapult lights, one with the original SST50 and one with an XM-L.Some have described it as a "mini SST". Speaking of that... actually, the really big claim to fame is not just that it can be driven harder than an XP-G but that it is about the same price as an XP-G whereas the SST50 and SST90 emitters are much more expensive than the XM-L. Cree is pricing them aggressively either because they can due to production costs, or because they want to (to hurt Luminus) or a bit of both. The XM-L is less than 1/4 the price of a SST-50 which means it can show up in inexpensive lights readily.The XM-L is going to open up all sorts of high-output low cost opportunities for P60 drop ins.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by orbital on 12-22-2010 11:24 AM GMT+KD one mode XM-L drop-in {in a CL1H}the op reflector it came with is kinda floody;put it in a SMO reflector, better overall hotspot. I'll try several different reflectors, including my DBS V1yes,,its bright & the tint is surprisingly neutral edit: Did a bounce test w/ SSC P7 driven almost 3A & this XM-L is nearly identical, for doing a quick comparison,..this XM-L is one bright drop-in.http://img571.imageshack.us/i/p10104....jpg&#91;/img]

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 12-22-2010 12:42 PM GMTGlad to hear that the tint is good (i.e., close to neutral). Here's some more info about the KD XM-L 5 mode drop-in that comes from a review a customer recently posted on the KD site (finally some useful info on KD's site ):"NICE & BRIGHTStrengths: Really is a Cree XM-L LED. Driver draws 2.6A on High and remembers the last mode after the light is off for 2 seconds or more. Puts out significantly more light than a XP-G with a larger hotspot and a little more throw. Compares well to MC-E and P7 LED's, but without the donut hole or + in the beam. Modes are well separated with Medium at about 35% of High and Low at 5% of High. Mode sequence is High-Med-Low-Strobe-SOS. I got 40 minutes of runtime on a 2400mAh protected gray Trustfire battery, which is better than I expected. Current draw at the tail went from 2.63A at 4.17V to 2.40A at 3.85V and 1.82A at 3.69V (battery voltage measured at rest).Weaknesses: Not 1000 lumens. Maybe 500-600 lumens since the driver is drawing about 2.6A (and delivering less than that to the LED) and the XM-L needs 3A to come close to 1,000 lumens (and you still won't get that much out of the front of the light). The board is not glued to the pill, but there is thermal paste there at least. As long as the reflector is screwed on, it shouldn't be a problem. Don't care for strobe or SOS, but the strobe is killer and the SOS has correct spelling. It's a little expensive for a drop-in, but this is a brand new LED and the price may come down eventually.Summary: This is a good drop-in that offers more flood than throw (you will need a bigger reflector to focus the light from the big LED). Make sure you have good heat sinking, because it is using at least 11 watts initially." (Emphasis added.)So, glad to hear it sounds pretty good and looking forward to getting the one I ordered to stick in a L2P or L2i (powered by a Trustfire protected (red/black/flame) 2400 mAh 18650), with a multi coated glass lens (also from KD). Should be pretty nice. Will be interesting to see how hot it gets on high.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pounder on 12-22-2010 01:12 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by orbital
    +KD one mode XM-L drop-in {in a CL1H}the op reflector it came with is kinda floody;put it in a SMO reflector, better overall hotspot.gunna try several different reflectors, including my DBS V1yes,,its bright & the tint is surprisingly neutral http://img571.imageshack.us/i/p10104....jpg&#91;/img]
    what smooth reflector did you use and where dod you obtain it? thanks what smooth reflector did you use and where dod you obtain it? thanks

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by orbital on 12-22-2010 02:37 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by pounder
    what smooth reflector did you use and where dod you obtain it? thanks
    + +Its a standard P60 smooth reflector, I have a couple left over from the xr-e days.When I said the tint is neutral, what I was saying is that it wasn't cool/blueish, I have zero interest in cool tints.I can't remember being as exited about an emitter as the xm-l they are very nice!~

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pounder on 12-22-2010 03:07 PM GMTnice so a standard xr-e reflector will fit..that helps a ton thanks..I have the 5 mode xm-l T6 from kai coming in the RQ 7 host..i'm hoping it's the same drop-in as the stand alone module..the host for 5$ more is a bit of a gamble, but I have my L2p that I can use the module in if the host is garbage..

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 12-22-2010 06:52 PM GMTWell perfect timing, the mailman delivered my XML drop-in from KD today. I am very impressed with it. I basically agree with everything stated in the review I quoted a few posts back above. The spacing of the Hi, Med and Lo modes is excellent and the percentages given in the review quoted above seem correct to me. The low is very low for a P60 type drop-in, which is nice as I'm one who likes to have a very low low. Also the tint on mine seems to be a bit towards the neutral end of the spectrum as well, although still quite white compared to a true neutral. But there is nothing wrong with the tint, i.e., no odd colors.But the most amazing thing to me so far is just how huge the hot spot is. It's much bigger than those from any of the other emitters I'm familiar with (XPG, XRE, XPE). It's a quantum leap forward, imo, to be able to get an emitter this bright with such a big hot spot for just slightly more than a more standard Cree emitter such as an XPG or XRE.The XM-L emitter itself is quite large. To help show the relative size of it, here's a photo of the XM-L emitter in the KD (5 mode) drop-in on the right, next to an XPG emitter in its drop-in on the left. (The bezels of both lights are the same and are lined up with each other, so both emitters are about the same distance away from the camera).Again, I'm extremely impressed and I feel this XM-L emitter basically makes XPG obsolete. Looking forward to night falling here (still a few hours away) so I can really see what this new emitter can do.Edit: Well after it got dark I took it outside and was totally blown away by the wall of light this thing puts out. It also throws pretty decently for a P60 module (although I didn't compare its throw directly to an XRE so can't say if throws as well or better or worse than an XRE). Although I haven't personally tried one of those triple XPG modules that cost over $100 apiece, I have a feeling that this single XM-L T6 emitter may put out a comparable amount of light with a similar big floody beam pattern. But this does it much more efficiently and with less heat and also it's much less expensive at its current price of only $18.80 shipped (and probably less prone to developing faults due to it being a less complex single emitter design). I really feel that these Cree XM-L T6's represent a major and significant step forward in the history/development of flashlight LEDs.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by michaelmcgo on 12-23-2010 03:53 AM GMTHow does the build quality look on these lights?Could you post a beamshot and if possible take amp readings at the tail please.....

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 12-23-2010 04:35 AM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by michaelmcgo
    How does the build quality look on these lights?Could you post a beamshot and if possible take amp readings at the tail please.....
    Assuming you are referring to the KD XML T6 5 mode drop in: Can't post beam shot now, sorry. Assuming you are referring to the KD XML T6 5 mode drop in: Can't post beam shot now, sorry.Some tail draw readings were listed in review quoted in post #1005. Build quality appears to be excellent on my particular example. It also has a nice tint that is white but tending a bit towards neutral. Got about 2.7 hours runtime in continuous operation in the medium mode and the light stayed just slightly warm (not at all hot) while tail standing in medium. Reviewer quoted above got about 40 minutes runtime on max. It gets a bit hot if left running in max. Haven't had enough time to test the runtime on low but it's looking good so far.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by cy on 12-25-2010 04:44 PM GMTjust ordered this .... we'll see how it does
    Quote Originally Posted by pae77
    Not that I am aware of, however, the XPG 5 mode drop-in I got from DX for about $14 shipped has the lowest low I have yet seen on a P60 style drop-in. I'm not sure of the lumen value although I would expect it probably is a bit more than 5 lumens (probably more like 10~20 lumen if I had to guess). Perhaps my example of that drop in is unusual but even the medium mode has fairly low output. It only uses about 450 mAh's of battery capacity to run continuously for 8 or 9 hours in medium mode. I haven't tested but I expect the low mode would probably consume .
    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 12-25-2010 05:03 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by cy
    just ordered this .... we'll see how it does
    I hope you get as good a sample as I did. I hope you get as good a sample as I did.I just decided to give myself a Xmas gift and ordered another of the KD XM-L T6 5 mode drop-ins. The design and workmanship on the first one I got seems very good just judging by what I can see from the outside as well as by its performance. For example, the LED is perfectly centered in the reflector and the levels are spaced really well. High is really bright with short runtime, med is pretty bright with decent runtime (just under 3 hours), and low provides a still useful amount of light with quite extended runtime (considerably more than 10 hours with a 2400 mAh 18650). I still haven't had a chance to find out just how long it will really run on low. Anyway, I like the first one I got so much, I decided to go for another (which will knock one of my Solarforce XPG (0.8-4.2 volt) 3 mode drop-ins out of a host, unless I buy yet another host for the new XM-L drop-in. But I don't feel like buying another host right now as I already have 4 Solarforce bodies. I guess it won't hurt to have a spare XPG drop-in lying around.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by sfca on 12-25-2010 09:27 PM GMTAnyone tried the 3.1A (or 2.8A) XM-L drop-in from Nailbender yet?Happy Christmas!

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by svennow on 12-25-2010 09:36 PM GMTI've used a lot of p60 dropins, and think thw R2 gives the most "bang for the buck" rigth now. until the R5 gets out in the shops. The R2 which i think is the most bang for the buck is from DX sku.14442 it's a 5mode 250lm dropin 3-8,4V

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Corvette6769 on 12-26-2010 05:30 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by svennow
    I've used a lot of p60 dropins, and think thw R2 gives the most "bang for the buck" rigth now. until the R5 gets out in the shops. The R2 which i think is the most bang for the buck is from DX sku.14442 it's a 5mode 250lm dropin 3-8,4V
    Why would anyone want a R2 when they can have a sku.32954 Cree XP-G R5 5-Mode 320-Lumen White Light LED Drop-in Module (26.5mm*29.3mm/18V Max) for $11.78? Why would anyone want a R2 when they can have a sku.32954 Cree XP-G R5 5-Mode 320-Lumen White Light LED Drop-in Module (26.5mm*29.3mm/18V Max) for $11.78?

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by pae77 on 12-26-2010 05:53 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvette6769
    Why would anyone want a R2 when they can have a sku.32954 Cree XP-G R5 5-Mode 320-Lumen White Light LED Drop-in Module (26.5mm*29.3mm/18V Max) for $11.78?
    And that brings up the question as to why anyone would still want an XPG of any bin when they could now order an XM-L T6 drop-in with easily over twice the lumen output (maybe even three times, if driven at max 3 amps) for a very reasonable $18 to $21 shipped (depending on model selected) from KD, (and probably also from DX some day soon). And based on the one I got, not only is the output better but also the tint on the XM-L seems better than any of the XPG's I've seen to date (not that the XPG's are bad or anything) just that the XM-L seems to be a few notches closer to the neutral zone, tintwise, which I prefer, although I suppose that is a personal preference that not everyone would agree with. And that brings up the question as to why anyone would still want an XPG of any bin when they could now order an XM-L T6 drop-in with easily over twice the lumen output (maybe even three times, if driven at max 3 amps) for a very reasonable $18 to $21 shipped (depending on model selected) from KD, (and probably also from DX some day soon). And based on the one I got, not only is the output better but also the tint on the XM-L seems better than any of the XPG's I've seen to date (not that the XPG's are bad or anything) just that the XM-L seems to be a few notches closer to the neutral zone, tintwise, which I prefer, although I suppose that is a personal preference that not everyone would agree with. And granted it is about $8 or $9 more expensive than the XPG module referred to above, but seems well worth the few extra $$ to get a drop in that can put out a "wall of light" that, imo, begins to approach the output and performance of a far more expensive triple XPG module, but yet does it more efficiently, and cooler running, plus with the simplicity of a single emitter.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Corvette6769 on 12-26-2010 05:57 PM GMTMy Cree MX-L T6 drop-in finally arrived 12-24-10 (ordered 12-3-10) and it is everything the above posters describe.Simply amazing and awesome, even though I only get 2.2793A at the tail cap with my Fluke 189 digital multimeter with fully charged TrustFire Protected 18650 3.7V True 2400mAh Rechargeable Lithium BatteriesI have a second drop-in in transit RQ 07 Cree XML T6 1000 Lumen 5-Mode LED Flashlight (1*18650) SKU: S009851 host that I ordered 12-9-10 and finally shipped on 12-23-10 (so much for KD's "Availability: ship in 1-3 business days"). I hope it will be driven somewhere near the 3.0A potential of the XM-L LED.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3 )Written by Corvette6769 on 12-26-2010 06:02 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by pae77
    And that brings up the question as to why anyone would want an XPG of any bin when they could have an XM-L T6 drop-in with easily over twice the lumen output (maybe even three times, if driven at max 3 amps) for a very reasonable $18 to $21 shipped (depending on model selected) from KD, (and probably also from DX some day soon). And based on the one I got, not only is the output better but also the tint on the XM-L seems better than any of the XPG's I've seen to date (not that the XPG's are bad or anything) just that the XM-L seems to be a few notches closer to the neutral zone, tintwise, which I prefer, although I suppose that is a personal preference that not everyone would agree with. And granted it is about $8 or $9 more expensive than the XPG module referred to above, but seems well worth the few extra $$ to get a drop in that can put out a "wall of light" that, imo, rivals the output and performance of a far more expensive triple XPG module, but yet does it more efficiently, and cooler running, plus with the simplicity of a single emitter.
    I agree 100%. My reference was in keeping in his price. But with that said, as far as bang for the buck, I agree that XM-L T6 is by far the best bang for the buck right now and will only get better as the price comes down. I agree 100%. My reference was in keeping in his price. But with that said, as far as bang for the buck, I agree that XM-L T6 is by far the best bang for the buck right now and will only get better as the price comes down.

    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)Written by Black Rose on 12-26-2010 11:07 PM GMT.....
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    The following is the combined content of 47 email notifications I received between Saturday, December 4, 2010 2:02 AM CST (apparently the day I subscribed to this thread) and Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:30 PM CST (apparently just before the secret event that caused the loss of all posts and the server backups to disappear without explanation).

    I hope this helps as it took me 46 minutes to compile this post through copy and paste all the email notifications I received.

    Unfortunately, none of my posts are here because the forum does not send copies of posts to the poster via email notification, so unless others here can fill in, my posts are lost forever.

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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3614402
    Posted by: Corvette6769
    On: 12-03-2010 10:00 AM

    ---Quote (Originally by CathastrophiX)---
    XM-L drop-ins available now (at one of the chinese dealers)
    ---End Quote---
    :sssh:
    How about giving us a hint (DX, KD, &/or a Sku number or two)?
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3614530
    Posted by: CathastrophiX
    On: 12-03-2010 12:16 PM
    Sku S009843 and S009853. Dealername starts with K.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3614858
    Posted by: Corvette6769
    On: 12-03-2010 05:47 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by CathastrophiX)---
    Sku S009843 and S009853. Dealername starts with K.
    ---End Quote---
    Wow that was easy. Thank you. Believe me, I searched both DX and KD for XM-L and XML, after seeing your post this morning and found nothing (hence my request for a hint). Then this afternoon, after seeing your reply, not only did they come up in search, I see bare MX-L sku S009857,
    S009856, and S009855 at the top of their home page.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3614859
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 12-03-2010 05:49 PM
    Thanks for the info. I ordered one of the 5 modes. Should be interesting to see what it's really like. Imagine it would get pretty hot on max.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3615247
    Posted by: John N
    On: 12-03-2010 10:59 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by John N)---
    It isn't for the sides -- it is for the bottom.
    I don't have a Malkoff, but with the Titanium Innovations / Torchlab triple XPG, there is no outer spring (like the Malkoff) and the outer contact doesn't quite make contact with the ledge where the spring would contact.
    I suspect this would be solved if the Torchlab dropin didn't have a insulated (painted) side.
    As it is, I suspect the outside edge of the dropin does make contact, but since it is insulated it doesn't help. Putting the copper ring in first forces ledge to copper to dropin contact.
    This happens with the Solarforce L2P host, as well as my Surefire L90 assembly. The L90 is a bit nicer because the ledge is larger.
    http://www.oveready.com/led-light-engines/cat_63.html
    -john

    BTW, I ended up replacing my shock bezel with a Z44. Much better than using the ring IMO. More direct pressure, no loss of light, and no risk of deforming the rubber thingy due to constant compression.
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    I went ahead and made a ring of 12ga wire (common house wire).
    I started by wrapping around an 18650, and then fine tuning it a bit by trimming the edges with diagonal nippers. I then soldered it for extra durability. This solves the fitment issue I have with this module with my Surefire shotgun fore-end light, and some of my Solarforce L2Ps.
    Outer diam. of the ring is about 21.6mm. The inside diam. of the ring is about 17.5mm:
    Image: http://navitsky.org/lights/surefire_...2-1024x768.jpg
    [full size] (http://navitsky.org/lights/surefire_...0-DSC_7362.JPG)
    Light w/o the ring:
    Image: http://navitsky.org/lights/surefire_...6-1024x768.jpg
    [full size] (http://navitsky.org/lights/surefire_...6-DSC_7356.JPG)
    Light with the ring:
    Image: http://navitsky.org/lights/surefire_...5-1024x768.jpg
    [full size] (http://navitsky.org/lights/surefire_...7-DSC_7355.JPG)
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
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    Posted by: jac2001
    On: 12-04-2010 08:50 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by kellyglanzer)---
    The following is my opinion only. Sometimes I just ramble, please feel free to disagree at will. :)


    I see tons of posts asking what P60 drop in to buy. I don't really know why but In the last couple weeks I have received several PM's asking my opinions as well . While I am the farthest thing from an authority on anything around here as I am still feeling like a tourist. I can however relate to not
    knowing what I need to make all this stuff work together. Heck a year ago I had no idea that people bored out flashlights or why I would want a $18 dollar battery which in turn leads to thirty or so batteries in different sizes in my closet...

    While there is of course many options and I have continued to be inflicted with a deep burning desire to own at least one of all of them. In some cases I feel the need to own every config avail including tint variables in the case of Moddoo's Triple. By the way I still need an XRE triple of which I
    have missed two lately ARRGGG. sooo if anyone has one...

    Now that several Quad's are making an appearance and trying to steal the limelight my bank account is getting smaller. I'm not sure it will ever recover.

    The one thing I have learned is that not all the wonderful lights are super expensive. When I first saw a solarforce drop in I dismissed it because it was so cheap in my mind that "it couldn't be any good?"

    I must say that of all the drop ins I personally have seen and used the bang for your buck award must go to the *Solarforce 320Lms XPG R5 4v-18v XPG-1M*. with a Price of US $12.50 it is what I would recommend to a friend. I ran it with one 18650 and it was bright with great throw. I tried it
    with two 18650's and was impressed by the gains achieved. I scrounged in my drawer for one more extension and when I added that third 18650 and clicked it on I was so very impressed by the great throw and beautiful spill.

    I just had to mention this becaus ei was just so impressed by it performance for the money, Did I mention its $12.50 US?

    Anyway I still have a whole list of drop ins I want to try out. Heck Nailbender has about eight or more I would like to try all by himself.
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    *Hi all!
    I purchased a Lighthound R5 1-mode drop-in online this week and was told by the rep that theirs is the Solarforce. Is this the same as the above highlighted drop-in, just 're-badged' if you will?
    http://www.lighthound.com/Lighthound...hts_p_965.html

    I really do like it's output and beam profile, but I wish it wasn't quite so bluish. Not nearly as blue as the P60L that it replaced, but more toward the WC tint of my NB XRE R2 SMO and the tint of my Lx2.
    Do Nailbender's XP-G SMO's throw as well as this 'cheap' drop-in?
    J.
    ...so I wonder when Dave will get some XP-G S2's to build?:naughty:
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
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    Posted by: Corvette6769
    On: 12-08-2010 06:07 AM

    ---Quote (Originally by pae77)---
    Thanks for the info. I ordered one of the 5 modes. Should be interesting to see what it's really like. Imagine it would get pretty hot on max.
    ---End Quote---

    Me too. Ordered my *XM-L T6* drop-in Friday, December 3, 2010 from KD (even though the DX price is all but certain to be lower, but I am tired of waiting for the XM-L).

    I bought the Cree XML T6 1000 Lumen 3.7V-4.2V 5-Mode LED Lamp SKU: S009843.

    They are currently offering 2 drop-in models and 5 complete flashlight models including UltraFire 501B and 502B with Cree XM-L T6.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3619651
    Posted by: glenda17
    On: 12-08-2010 06:52 AM

    ---Quote (Originally by Corvette6769)---
    Me too. Ordered my *XM-L T6* drop-in Friday, December 3, 2010 from KD (even though the DX price is all but certain to be lower, but I am tired of waiting for the XM-L).
    I bought the Cree XML T6 1000 Lumen 3.7V-4.2V 5-Mode LED Lamp SKU: S009843.
    They are currently offering 2 drop-in models and 5 complete flashlight models including UltraFire 501B and 502B with Cree XM-L T6.
    ---End Quote---

    I couldn't find this dropin at deal extreme. But Kaidomain had the 1 mode (3v-18V version) version and an $11 2x18650 long P60 clone. I couldn't pass on. As soon as I placed my order it said "backordered" even though both items showed in stock as I was ordering.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3619663
    Posted by: Dnalsi
    On: 12-08-2010 07:31 AM
    I'll have to try one of these for the SureFire C2 my son gave me.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3619877
    Posted by: recDNA
    On: 12-08-2010 12:40 PM
    I wonder how long it will be before a decent manufacturer releases a P60 with XM-L?
    I better go check the Nailbender thread! LOL
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3619902
    Posted by: tandem
    On: 12-08-2010 01:01 PM
    Nailbender's standard line is he'll let us know when he can gain access to them. Until then specs / prices / availability aren't going to be forthcoming. Those getting them in small lots are at the end of the food chain I guess. Looking forward to seeing them show up. beamshots, we need
    beamshots!
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3620204
    Posted by: recDNA
    On: 12-08-2010 07:05 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by Dnalsi)---
    I'll have to try one of these for the SureFire C2 my son gave me.
    ---End Quote---
    You have a great son!
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3620605
    Posted by: Aaron1100us
    On: 12-09-2010 03:34 AM
    I have a G2 and want to get the XM-L T6 led. Does anyone know where I can get a metal head for a stock G2? I did a google search and found nothing.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3621120
    Posted by: John N
    On: 12-09-2010 03:49 PM
    You should be able to use a Surefire Z44 or for something cheaper, a Solarforce head (available at Lighthound.com). Note you might just be better off getting a whole new metal light, like the Solarforce L2P HA3 w/forward clicky.
    http://www.solarforce-sales.com/prod...=FB&s=7&id=112
    -john

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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3621793
    Posted by: Aaron1100us
    On: 12-10-2010 08:43 AM
    I just ordered the solarforce light and XM-L T 6 led. Still need to find a good 18650 battery that is 3000 mah
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3622012
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 12-10-2010 01:49 PM
    Even though it's not 3000 mAh, I really like the protected Trustfire red/black/flame "true" 2400 mAh batteries that DX sells for about $9.50 per *pair* including shipping. That is such a great deal for what has so far in my experience proven to be very high quality 18650 batteries. And the
    capacity on the 4 I have received so far really is actually ~2400 mAh +/- a couple of mAhs. I have 2 of these that I've been using heavily for about 6 months and they are still performing like new. I recently purchased 2 more of them that so far appear to have the same high quality.
    At this bargain price for what has proved to be quite high quality 18650 cells and a great value, I would rather buy and use these batteries even though they are not 3,000 mAh. Also, I'm not 100% sure about this but iirc, higher mAh cells like the 3,000 mAh 18650's tend to either have or more
    quickly develop higher internal resistance.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3622017
    Posted by: John N
    On: 12-10-2010 01:58 PM
    Yes, I think the 3000mah 18650s to date are most suitable to low drain applications. I think the poster should cruise on over to the battery section and investigate before they buy.
    -john
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3622306
    Posted by: Aaron1100us
    On: 12-10-2010 08:25 PM
    Another question. Is the single 1860 the way to go with the Solarforce light and XM-L T6 LED? Its the 3V to 18V version. One 18650 is 3.7v and two CR123 are 6V. Won't it be brighter with two CR123 than one 3.7V 18650?
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3622312
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 12-10-2010 08:33 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by Aaron1100us)---
    Another question. Is the single 1860 the way to go with the Solarforce light and XM-L T6 LED? Its the 3V to 18V version. One 18650 is 3.7v and two CR123 are 6V. Won't it be brighter with two CR123 than one 3.7V 18650?
    ---End Quote---
    You could use either 1 or more li-ion batteries with that drop in due to the wide voltage range it accepts. It will not necessarily be noticeably brighter with more than one cell. At least that has been my experience with other drop-ins that can take one or more li-ion cells. As the available
    voltage goes up, the current draw goes down, ime, so that may be why there isn't much of a noticeable difference. But my experience is limited to only a few different drop ins. Perhaps some get brighter with higher voltage. I just haven't seen that happen with the drop-ins I've experimented
    with. With more than one cell, however, you will get much longer runtime than you would with just one cell, (obviously, assuming the cells are all the same capacity).
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3622328
    Posted by: Aaron1100us
    On: 12-10-2010 08:51 PM
    Ok, thanks. I just need to figure out which would have longer run time, two 1300mah CR123 or one 2400mah 18650? I don't really care about run time too much as this will just be a light for fun. But I would like the longest run time possible with this set up. I like the size of a two CR123 or
    single 18650 light, don't want any extensions to add more cells. At least with the 18650, it would be rechargeable.
    Does anyone have a light with this LED and a single 18650 or two CR123? Any beam shots of this LED? Wonder what it will be like compared to my TK45?
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3622360
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 12-10-2010 09:31 PM
    In general, you are much safer using a single higher capacity li-ion cell rather than 2 or more cells. This is because it is very easy to over discharge the smaller cells and when they are in a multiple cell configuration that can be very dangerous, especially with li-ion cells. You can read about
    the potential dangers in the battery section of this forum. But aside from the dangers, there is also a high likelihood of damaging the smaller cells because li-ion cells suffer damage when they are over discharged.
    In sum, you are much better off not having to worry about the potential issues and dangers of using multiple li-ion cells in a single flashlight if you don't have to. So I would strongly recommend using a single 18650 over two or more smaller cells.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3622637
    Posted by: Aaron1100us
    On: 12-11-2010 07:11 AM
    Just ordered two protected trust fire 18650's and charger from DX. Hmm, now all I have to do is wait for everything to get here, can't wait to see what this light is going to be like.

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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3628022
    Posted by: tandem
    On: 12-17-2010 02:29 PM
    FYI Nailbender is now taking orders on a limited basis for XM-L drop-ins, driven at 3.1 amps. See Part 8 of Dave's sales thread (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...odules-(part-8)) for details.
    (and prepare to wait in line!) :)
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3628023
    Posted by: Superorb
    On: 12-17-2010 02:31 PM
    Has there been a P60 dropin released recently that has a LOW low mode of less than 5L or is the Thrunite XP-G 2.7-4.2v still the lowest low mode dropin?
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3628047
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 12-17-2010 03:05 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by Superorb)---
    Has there been a P60 dropin released recently that has a LOW low mode of less than 5L or is the Thrunite XP-G 2.7-4.2v still the lowest low mode dropin?
    ---End Quote---
    Not that I am aware of, however, the XPG 5 mode drop-in I got from DX for about $14 shipped has the lowest low I have yet seen on a P60 style drop-in. I'm not sure of the lumen value although I would expect it probably is a bit more than 5 lumens (probably more like 10~20 lumen if I had to
    guess). Perhaps my example of that drop in is unusual but even the medium mode has fairly low output. It only uses about 450 mAh's of battery capacity to run continuously for 8 or 9 hours in medium mode.
    I haven't tested but I expect the low mode would probably consume about half as much capacity as the medium mode and possibly even less. If I remember, I'll test how much capacity it consumes on low mode after I get some of my other drop ins, which unfortunately developed defects
    within a few months of purchase, replaced. Ironically, it's that DX drop-in which has turned out to be the most reliable of my drop-ins so far (as well as having the lowest low), although I've heard reports that several others have not had such great luck with that model.
    The XML drop in I ordered from Kai Domain has finally shipped so I hopefully will be receiving it in another week or two. It will be interesting to see how much it draws at the tail on high. KD didn't provide much info about it on their site.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3628075
    Posted by: Superorb
    On: 12-17-2010 03:35 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by pae77)---
    The XML drop in I ordered from Kai Domain has finally shipped so I hopefully will be receiving it in another week or two. It will be interesting to see how much it draws at the tail on high. KD didn't provide much info about it on their site.
    ---End Quote---

    XM-L = a new emitter?
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3628082
    Posted by: tandem
    On: 12-17-2010 03:38 PM
    Nailbender's regulated multi-stage drivers all seem to have a 5% low on them and that seems about right in my experience - one XR-E module I have puts out roughly 10ish lumens on low.
    However.... if low is more important to you than max, maybe you could approach this by having him build you a multi-level high CRI light (which start out with lower max brightness), possibly with one of the non-Cree emitters (maybe a P4 warm high CRI?).
    If you've not already asked Dave what the lowest low combo of emitter and driver he has maybe that's an option to try.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3628085
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 12-17-2010 03:44 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by Superorb)---
    XM-L = a new emitter?
    ---End Quote---
    Yes, XML is the next new Cree emitter, i.e., replacing the XPG as the latest thing. Supposed to be approximately 20% more efficient than XPG and can be driven considerably harder and therefore can go brighter. Remains to be seen how they actually perform and what the tints are like.
    They are just starting to appear and become available in some drop ins and lights.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...3)#post3628098
    Posted by: tandem
    On: 12-17-2010 03:55 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by Superorb)---
    XM-L = a new emitter?
    ---End Quote---
    Yes, a new line in the Cree family of XLamps (from which the XP-G comes). A larger emitter it'll tend to be naturally more floody and have less throw than the XP-G, much as the XP-G tends to have less throw than an XR-E.
    When driven lightly it might compete with the XP-G in lights but the big claim to fame is that it can be driven much harder. Check this post out for a comparison of output between XP-G and XM-L at various currents
    (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...06#post3622906). The XP-G max forward current is 1.5 Amp while the XM-L max forward current is 3A. The SST50 max forward current is 5A. At ~ 3A apparently the XM-L will approach or meet
    the SST-50 in output, if I've read that correctly. Whatever the on-the-ground truth is, this is the next evolutionary step up from an XP-G for increased output in a P60 module without going to much greater expense.
    Here are some beam shots comparing XM-L vs SST-50 (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...XM-L-vs-SST-50). Scroll to the bottom of this post for two XM-L beamshots
    (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...24#post3627724).
    Some have described it as a "mini SST". Speaking of that... actually, the really big claim to fame is not just that it can be driven harder than an XP-G but that it is about the same price as an XP-G whereas the SST50 and SST90 emitters are much more expensive than the XM-L. Cree is
    pricing them aggressively either because they can due to production costs, or because they want to (to hurt Luminus) or a bit of both. The XM-L is less than 1/4 the price of a SST-50 which means it can show up in inexpensive lights readily.

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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3632662
    Posted by: orbital
    On: 12-22-2010 01:24 PM
    +
    KD one mode XM-L drop-in {in a CL1H}
    the op reflector it came with is kinda floody;
    put it in a SMO reflector, better overall hotspot.

    I'll try several different reflectors, including my DBS V1
    yes,,its bright & the tint is surprisingly neutral :thumbsup:
    edit: *Did a bounce test w/ SSC P7 driven almost 3A & this XM-L is nearly identical,
    for doing a quick comparison,..this XM-L is one bright drop-in.*
    Image: http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2649/p1010427c.jpg (http://img571.imageshack.us/i/p1010427c.jpg/)
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3632733
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 12-22-2010 02:42 PM
    Glad to hear that the tint is good (i.e., close to neutral). Here's some more info about the KD XM-L 5 mode drop-in that comes from a review a customer recently posted on the KD site (finally some useful info on KD's site :shakehead):
    "*NICE & BRIGHT*
    *
    Strengths: *Really is a Cree XM-L LED. Driver draws 2.6A on High and remembers the last mode after the light is off for 2 seconds or more. Puts out significantly more light than a XP-G with a larger hotspot and a little more throw. Compares well to MC-E and P7 LED's, but without the
    donut hole or + in the beam. Modes are well separated with Medium at about 35% of High and Low at 5% of High. Mode sequence is High-Med-Low-Strobe-SOS. I got 40 minutes of runtime on a 2400mAh protected gray Trustfire battery, which is better than I expected. Current draw at
    the tail went from 2.63A at 4.17V to 2.40A at 3.85V and 1.82A at 3.69V (battery voltage measured at rest).
    *Weaknesses:* Not 1000 lumens. Maybe 500-600 lumens since the driver is drawing about 2.6A (and delivering less than that to the LED) and the XM-L needs 3A to come close to 1,000 lumens (and you still won't get that much out of the front of the light). The board is not glued to the
    pill, but there is thermal paste there at least. As long as the reflector is screwed on, it shouldn't be a problem. Don't care for strobe or SOS, but the strobe is killer and the SOS has correct spelling. It's a little expensive for a drop-in, but this is a brand new LED and the price may come
    down eventually.
    *Summary:* This is a good drop-in that offers more flood than throw (you will need a bigger reflector to focus the light from the big LED). Make sure you have good heat sinking, because it is using at least 11 watts initially." (Emphasis added.)

    So, glad to hear it sounds pretty good and looking forward to getting the one I ordered to stick in a L2P or L2i (powered by a Trustfire protected (red/black/flame) 2400 mAh 18650), with a multi coated glass lens (also from KD). Should be pretty nice. Will be interesting to see how hot it
    gets on high.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3632761
    Posted by: pounder
    On: 12-22-2010 03:12 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by orbital)---
    +
    KD one mode XM-L drop-in {in a CL1H}
    the op reflector it came with is kinda floody;
    put it in a SMO reflector, better overall hotspot.
    gunna try several different reflectors, including my DBS V1
    yes,,its bright & the tint is surprisingly neutral :thumbsup:
    Image: http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2649/p1010427c.jpg (http://img571.imageshack.us/i/p1010427c.jpg/)
    ---End Quote---
    what smooth reflector did you use and where dod you obtain it? thanks
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3632835
    Posted by: orbital
    On: 12-22-2010 04:37 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by pounder)---
    what smooth reflector did you use and where dod you obtain it? thanks
    ---End Quote---
    +
    Its a standard P60 smooth reflector, I have a couple left over from the xr-e days.
    When I said the tint is neutral, what I was saying is that it wasn't cool/blueish,
    I have zero interest in cool tints.
    I can't remember being as exited about an emitter as the xm-l
    they are very nice!~
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3632861
    Posted by: pounder
    On: 12-22-2010 05:07 PM
    nice so a standard xr-e reflector will fit..that helps a ton thanks..

    I have the 5 mode xm-l T6 from kai coming in the RQ 7 host..i'm hoping it's the same drop-in as the stand alone module..the host for 5$ more is a bit of a gamble, but I have my L2p that I can use the module in if the host is garbage..
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3633042
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 12-22-2010 08:52 PM
    Well perfect timing, the mailman delivered my XML drop-in from KD today. I am very impressed with it. I basically agree with everything stated in the review I quoted a few posts back above. The spacing of the Hi, Med and Lo modes is excellent and the percentages given in the review quoted
    above seem correct to me. The low is very low for a P60 type drop-in, which is nice as I'm one who likes to have a very low low. Also the tint on mine seems to be a bit towards the neutral end of the spectrum as well, although still quite white compared to a true neutral. But there is nothing
    wrong with the tint, i.e., no odd colors.
    But the most amazing thing to me so far is just how huge the hot spot is. It's much bigger than those from any of the other emitters I'm familiar with (XPG, XRE, XPE). It's a quantum leap forward, imo, to be able to get an emitter this bright with such a big hot spot for just slightly more than a
    more standard Cree emitter such as an XPG or XRE.
    The XM-L emitter itself is quite large. To help show the relative size of it, here's a photo of the XM-L emitter in the KD (5 mode) drop-in on the right, next to an XPG emitter in its drop-in on the left. (The bezels of both lights are the same and are lined up with each other, so both emitters are
    about the same distance away from the camera).
    Image: http://i51.tinypic.com/21omev.jpg
    Again, I'm extremely impressed and I feel this XM-L emitter basically makes XPG obsolete. Looking forward to night falling here (still a few hours away) so I can really see what this new emitter can do.

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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3633362
    Posted by: michaelmcgo
    On: 12-23-2010 05:53 AM
    How does the build quality look on these lights?
    Could you post a beamshot and if possible take amp readings at the tail please.....
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3633384
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 12-23-2010 06:35 AM

    ---Quote (Originally by michaelmcgo)---
    How does the build quality look on these lights?
    Could you post a beamshot and if possible take amp readings at the tail please.....
    ---End Quote---
    Assuming you are referring to the KD XML T6 5 mode drop in: Can't post beam shot now, sorry.
    Some tail draw readings were listed in review quoted in post #1005. Build quality appears to be excellent on my particular example. It also has a nice tint that is white but tending a bit towards neutral. Got about 2.7 hours runtime in continuous operation in the medium mode and the light
    stayed just slightly warm (not at all hot) while tail standing in medium. Reviewer quoted above got about 40 minutes runtime on max. It gets a bit hot if left running in max. Haven't had enough time to test the runtime on low but it's looking good so far.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3635323
    Posted by: cy
    On: 12-25-2010 06:44 PM
    just ordered this .... we'll see how it does

    ---Quote (Originally by pae77)---
    Not that I am aware of, however, the XPG 5 mode drop-in I got from DX for about $14 shipped has the lowest low I have yet seen on a P60 style drop-in. I'm not sure of the lumen value although I would expect it probably is a bit more than 5 lumens (probably more like 10~20 lumen if I had to
    guess). Perhaps my example of that drop in is unusual but even the medium mode has fairly low output. It only uses about 450 mAh's of battery capacity to run continuously for 8 or 9 hours in medium mode.
    I haven't tested but I expect the low mode would probably consume .
    ---End Quote---
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3635335
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 12-25-2010 07:03 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by cy)---
    just ordered this .... we'll see how it does
    ---End Quote---
    I hope you get as good a sample as I did.
    I just decided to give myself a Xmas gift and ordered another of the KD XM-L T6 5 mode drop-ins. The design and workmanship on the first one I got seems very good just judging by what I can see from the outside as well as by its performance. For example, the LED is perfectly centered in
    the reflector and the levels are spaced really well. High is really bright with short runtime, med is pretty bright with decent runtime (just under 3 hours), and low provides a still useful amount of light with quite extended runtime (considerably more than 10 hours with a 2400 mAh 18650). I still
    haven't had a chance to find out just how long it will really run on low.
    Anyway, I like the first one I got so much, I decided to go for another (which will knock one of my Solarforce XPG (0-4.2 volt) 3 mode drop-ins out of a host, unless I buy yet another host for the new XM-L drop-in. But I don't feel like buying another host right now as I already have 4 Solarforce
    bodies. I guess it won't hurt to have a spare XPG drop-in lying around.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3635449
    Posted by: sfca
    On: 12-25-2010 11:27 PM
    Anyone tried the 3.1A (or 2.8A) XM-L drop-in from Nailbender yet?
    Happy Christmas! :wave:
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3636540
    Posted by: Richwouldnt
    On: 12-27-2010 12:12 PM
    Below is a link to a thread I started on availability of colored LED P60 drop-ins. I have found sources for Red, Green, Purple, Yellow and Orange LED P60 modules. I noted via a CPF site google search that there have been a number of people looking for colored flashlight beams and they
    seem to be pretty scarce other than IR and UV varieties.

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=305899

    There used to be a number of sources for colored LED bulbs for Maglites but they are discontinued.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3637333
    Posted by: Corvette6769
    On: 12-28-2010 07:31 AM

    ---Quote (Originally by pae77)---
    Fair enough, however, I think the XM-L will rapidly become the leading emitter choice for P60 drop-ins which was the context in which my comment was made. I could see how an XPG could be a preferable emitter choice in some smaller flashlights with smaller reflectors and powered by lower
    capacity batteries. But in a P60 drop-in and lights with similar sized reflectors, I don't see much, if any advantage that the XPG has over the XM-L. Even assuming one is not looking for maximum lumen output, (and after all there's no law that says the XM-L has to be driven to provide maximum
    lumen output), I suspect it will prove to be more efficient than the XPG at most, if not all lumen levels. So, if it proves to be more efficient, has a bigger hot spot, at least equal if not better throw, has a better tint (at least imo, although I realize opinions likely will differ on this, but I suspect the
    majority of people will prefer the tint of the XML over the XPG), I don't see much, if any advantage to the XPG over the XM-L, at least in the context of P60 drop-ins. That is unless one prefers their drop in to have a smaller hot spot and less floody beam (but not necessarily better throw) and a
    cooler white tint, at the cost of less efficiency, along with less potential maximum lumen output.
    ---End Quote---
    I agree 100%.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3637607
    Posted by: phantom23
    On: 12-28-2010 02:45 PM
    I disagree. Floody beam is not very popular, emitter itself is 50% more expensive, P60 drop-ins have poor heatsinking which means lower currents. Nicer tint has nothing to do with emitter type, there are nice XP-G and blue XM-L tints.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3638165
    Posted by: old4570
    On: 12-29-2010 05:59 AM
    yeah , XML rocks in a p60 host ...
    So far only have one p60 drop in with XML , waiting for more parts so I can build more
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3638179
    Posted by: Corvette6769
    On: 12-29-2010 06:45 AM

    ---Quote (Originally by phantom23)---
    I disagree. Floody beam is not very popular, emitter itself is 50% more expensive, P60 drop-ins have poor heatsinking which means lower currents. Nicer tint has nothing to do with emitter type, there are nice XP-G and blue XM-L tints.
    ---End Quote---
    Personally I prefer a flood beam, especially as powerful as the XM-L T6 which out-throws all but my EagleTac T100C2 (and then not by much) = EagleTac good for 100-yard+ night rifle shooting, XM-L T6 best for everything else.

    50% more expensive emitter for 100% more light output, I will take that deal every time!....especially in this day and age of $5.00 bags of potato chips.

    I have not read any reports of blue XM-L tints and if there are, they certainly would be the exception rather than the rule.

    Overwhelmingly, all early reports share my similar experience in that Cree has delivered the perfect LED exactly as they promised back in April. I can not wait for the XM-L U2 bin and beyond.

    I have not heard even one negative comment by anyone who actually has a XM-L T6 LED. Those of us who have them all seem to be unanimous in that we love them and hate to see the sun come up.

    My only surprise is that KD beat the rest of the world by such a large margin to get the XM-L T6 to market. Other than Cutter offering bare emitters a week earlier, KD was the first to market with bare emitters and emitters on both 21mm & 16mm stars (all for under $10.00), two drop-ins, and
    seven different flashlight models to choose from.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3638483
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 12-29-2010 02:32 PM
    I very much agree with the points made in the previous post by Corvette6769. Plus while 50% more in cost sounds like a lot when expressed in percentage terms, we are really only talking about the rather small dollar difference between ~$11 to 15 for inexpensive XPG drop-ins currently
    available at DX, Solarforce, etc., and ~$18 to $22 for the inexpensive XML-T6 based drop-ins currently available at those prices at KD. (And currently there is a "new and hot" premium built into the XML-T6 price, that probably will go away eventually and the price will likely come down even
    closer to where XPG's are today).
    Anyway, the performance difference is so absolutely stunning that those few extra dollars that the XML costs seems completely irrelevant to me (and I bet to anyone else who has tried one). And the XML simply seems like a stunning bargain at those prices considering how it performs.
    Last night I took my Solarforce L2P loaded with the XML 5 mode drop in and tried to see how far it could throw on max. It was lighting up the top floors of a high rise that was quite a far distance away, although I really don't know how far it actually was. But I really didn't expect the XML to be
    able to throw that far. So it seems that no longer are flood and throw mutually exclusive i.e., now we can have a broad floody beam and excellent throw at the same time from a single emitter. And in a P60 no less, which certainly is not a design that is optimized for maximum throw. It will
    surely be very interesting to see what the XML can do in a large reflector design optimized for throw.
    Anyway, as I've said before, I really think the more apt comparison is, rather than compare the XML to a single XPG, to compare the performance of the XML T6 with the performance of those rather expensive drop-ins that are made with 3 XPG emitters combined in a single drop-in. Yes! I'm
    really suggesting that the XML really is that amazing, (imo, of course)! And, although I haven't tried one of those (and now probably never will), I have read a lot about them and seen beamshots, etc., so I think I have a pretty good idea of what those triple XPG modules are capable of. And,
    when one considers that those triple XPG's cost over $100 (unless the price now starts to come down as a likely result of the availability of the XML), suddenly the ~$18 to $22 current cost for an XML drop-in, (which on max probably puts out a very similarly powerful wall of light with a similarly
    big beam pattern as those triple XPG's), starts to seem even more reasonable for the stunning level of performance it provides.
    I really am looking forward to the new class of XML equipped lights that will hopefully soon begin to appear and especially the day when I can purchase an ultra compact single 18650 Zebralight (similar to the SC60) loaded with an XML emitter (they probably will call it an SC62). That will be
    simply amazing to have that kind of power and efficiency in such a compact form. I predict that 2011 is going to be an especially great year for LED flashlights, imo.
    Im tempted ...
    selling it in the marketplace.
    -john

    rive level like 2.5A or less.
    -john
    ---End Quote---

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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3660835
    Posted by: recDNA
    On: 01-21-2011 04:02 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by cy)---
    has anyone tested any single stage XML drop-in yet?
    need to know what current single stage is being driven at.
    with multimode being driven at 2.5amp is not a big deal...
    most of the time drop-in will be operating in mid to low range anyways.
    P-60 drop-in used in a weapons light has to be a single stage.
    creating too much heat at 2.5amp+ = failure ... which of course is not acceptable.
    runtime is not as big a factor with weapon lights. reliability is everything!
    ---End Quote---
    I have a potted 2.8 amp Nailbender 3 mode and a Thrunite single mode XM-L on the way. I'll let you know.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3661069
    Posted by: MechanicalMan
    On: 01-21-2011 08:22 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by recDNA)---
    I have a potted 2.8 amp Nailbender 3 mode and a Thrunite single mode XM-L on the way. I'll let you know.
    ---End Quote---
    That's great. I've been wanting to hear how the Thrunite single mode compares to one of the other (higher amp) XM-L drop-ins.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3661088
    Posted by: cy
    On: 01-21-2011 09:01 PM
    thanks... that'll save me from doing the same

    ---Quote (Originally by recDNA)---
    I have a potted 2.8 amp Nailbender 3 mode and a Thrunite single mode XM-L on the way. I'll let you know.
    ---End Quote---
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3661845
    Posted by: Cypher_Aod
    On: 01-22-2011 07:25 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by asot)---
    If you think you can trust SolarForce, wait a few days...
    They announced a _Single Mode_ XM-L dropin (in their facebook page) to be on sale about 22-24th of January, in a price close to $20
    *
    Quoting: * Single mode, compatible to surefire 6P G2 and solarforce L2 series, more than 700 Lumens, 3.0-6.0V, 2xCR123A (3.0v) or 18650 x 1 pc will be perfect
    ---End Quote---

    when this is released where can/should one purchase it?
    i'm not up-to-scratch with the dealers of new and fancy photon-throwing tech yet :(
    <edit>
    Ah, i looked up the solarforce facebook page, where i was linked to the solarforce website/store where i purchased the dropin and an Empty L2 host :D
    now we play the waiting game...
    and then we start lighting up other planets XD
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3661870
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 01-22-2011 08:19 PM
    I just got my second 5 mode XM-L T6 drop-in from KD (shipped on Jan 6). This one has a slightly less neutral tint than the first one I got and the LED is slightly off center, but I don't think it is enough to matter. Otherwise seems to be working well so far, as far as I can tell. The first one I got
    was perfect though.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3662128
    Posted by: CampingLED
    On: 01-23-2011 01:29 AM

    ---Quote (Originally by Cypher_Aod)---
    when this is released where can/should one purchase it?
    i'm not up-to-scratch with the dealers of new and fancy photon-throwing tech yet :(
    <edit>
    Ah, i looked up the solarforce facebook page, where i was linked to the solarforce website/store where i purchased the dropin and an Empty L2 host :D
    now we play the waiting game...
    and then we start lighting up other planets XD
    ---End Quote---
    They were offered for sale at KD on the 4th of January. ProductId=11150. Bought the RQ 07 from them and it is a nice light.

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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3663063
    Posted by: UltraMagnus
    On: 01-24-2011 03:39 AM
    I don't know if you are trying to keep the first post updated, but FYI a lot of the DX and KD links are broken, and the p60 host post is very out of date.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3663383
    Posted by: CampingLED
    On: 01-24-2011 01:51 PM
    I think that it will become a very labour intensive task to keep lists like these updated all the time. That is why the OP needs people like us to list specific problems and to give the OP a fair chance to update the list. Just today two new drop-ins were released at dx 55025 and 55026. I may be
    the first person to order 55025 (done it about an hour ago). So, two more to add to the list.

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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3664302
    Posted by: cy
    On: 01-25-2011 12:01 PM
    seems very few are interested in single stage drop-ins like what's needed for weapons lights... everyone is going nuts with drive currents. new emitters may take the heat .... but runtimes goes down the drain.
    we've long passed the point where ... amount of light delivered is no longer an issue.
    for Surefire forend weapons light ... single stage XPG driven at 1amp puts out almost too much light.
    hot spot almost blinds operator from bounce, which means BG would be BLIND from raw lumens.
    not finding any single stage XML driven at 1amp or less... may have to build my own.
    efficiency gains is what I'm after, not more lumens.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3664367
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 01-25-2011 01:07 PM
    I would think the wider illuminated field that one would get with an XM-L would also be useful in a weapon light, but that's just a guess as I've never used a weapon light to date.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3664422
    Posted by: g.p.
    On: 01-25-2011 02:34 PM
    Just got my 5 mode XML from Kaidomain (http://kaidomain.com/ProductDetails....roductId=11096). It makes for a real nice light in my Solarforce L2P. I'll have to test it outside at night, but in the basement it appears to be much brighter than my TK15. Lots of flood too. Just got to see
    how it throws. It does get hot on high mode faster than any other light I have though.

    ---Quote (Originally by cy)---
    not finding any single stage XML driven at 1amp or less... may have to build my own.
    efficiency gains is what I'm after, not more lumens.
    ---End Quote---
    Why don't you just use a multi-mode drop-in on one of the lower modes? The XML that I jst got is spaced pretty nicely. It always comes on in the last mode, so you wouldn't have to cycle through modes ever.
    I have no idea what is required of a weapons light, so please excuse my ignorance if that wouldn't work for some obvious reason.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3664428
    Posted by: Motodeficient
    On: 01-25-2011 02:41 PM
    the fear is that the recoil will change modes on the light.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3664464
    Posted by: g.p.
    On: 01-25-2011 03:18 PM
    I suppose that would suck!
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3664477
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 01-25-2011 03:33 PM
    Just guessing but I think the recoil might cause it to change modes inappropriately and also these inexpensive drop-ins are probably not built tough enough to survive being subjected to the recoil on a long term basis.
    Edit: I see someone beat me to posting about the mode changing.
    However, if those things wouldn't be a problem, then the medium mode would seem about perfect, although it is still quite bright @ ~300 lumens. But I would think the larger floody illuminated field that the XM-L provides would be helpful in locating targets. And I think it would be pretty hard for
    anything to hide from the Hi mode which is kind of like a powerful search light.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3664517
    Posted by: John N
    On: 01-25-2011 04:26 PM
    There are a number of reasons in addition to spontanious mode changes -- for example, you may wish to use the lights in brief bursts. This use pattern is likely to change modes even though you didn't intend to. There is also a fumble-factor where you don't want to be dorking around with
    modes. You want to KISS.
    Cy, seems like NB woulf make you a 1A XML.
    Although, at 1A, not sure you are really going to notice the efficency bump.
    Probably be a nice big hotspot tho.
    YMMV.
    -john
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3664616
    Posted by: old4570
    On: 01-25-2011 06:40 PM
    There is a single mode 1.4A XM-L drop in @ Dx , which might be just right for those seeking a balanced Drop in , Medium current - good output + good run time .
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3664797
    Posted by: Blitzwing
    On: 01-25-2011 11:23 PM
    I killed a single mode Solarforce XP-G with the 12g the other night. Only about 10 shots and it died. TBH I wasn't a fan of the XP-G anyway....

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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3665136
    Posted by: John N
    On: 01-26-2011 11:02 AM
    I wouldn't be overly inclined to trust these inexpensive drop-ins for this use. I'd want something potted, and preferably a configuration that does not use an outer spring. The Malkoff, Titanium Engineering (Moddoo/Overready) come to mind, and Nailbender (potted, but with spring).
    -john
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3665148
    Posted by: John N
    On: 01-26-2011 11:13 AM
    BTW, I've been meaning to post a picture of my failed KD XML 1-mode drop-in. Not because it failed, but to show how well it was thermally bonded (sorry for the fuzzy picture).
    Image: http://navitsky.org/lights/kd-xml-1m...41-800x600.jpg
    [FULL SIZE] (http://navitsky.org/lights/kd-xml-1mode/IMG_1041.JPG)
    I don't think this has anything to do with my unit not working correctly, but it doesn't give me any warm fuzzies about the long term reliability.
    Of course, this may not be representative of most of the units, but... Well, it seemed noteworthy.
    -john
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3665347
    Posted by: recDNA
    On: 01-26-2011 03:22 PM

    ---Quote (Originally by cy)---
    has anyone tested any single stage XML drop-in yet?
    need to know what current single stage is being driven at.
    with multimode being driven at 2.5amp is not a big deal...
    most of the time drop-in will be operating in mid to low range anyways.
    P-60 drop-in used in a weapons light has to be a single stage.
    creating too much heat at 2.5amp+ = failure ... which of course is not acceptable.
    runtime is not as big a factor with weapon lights. reliability is everything!
    ---End Quote---

    I got my single mode Thrunite 1.5 amp XM-L drop in today. I kept the spring on for the new 6P I traded for. Nice tight fit - no need nor room for copper. Single mode is perfect with a Z41 tailcap. I am actually amazed how much brighter it is than my R5 drop ins. Got lucky in the tint lottery
    too! Very nice neutral white with just a hint of yellow in the hotspot. I really cannot believe I can get this much light at 1.5 amps. I would imagine my 2.8 amp Nailbender is going to blaze based on what the 1.5 amp one does..
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3665377
    Posted by: pae77
    On: 01-26-2011 03:57 PM
    Anyone know how hard it would be to recenter an XM-L emitter and what would be involved? The LED on my second KD XM-L drop-in is just off center enough to bother me and if it's not too difficult, I might like to try to recenter it.
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3665388
    Posted by: John N
    On: 01-26-2011 04:09 PM
    You'd need to pry the LED star from the pill and re-apply.
    If I were to do this, I'd probably unsolder the leds from the star, pry it off, clean everything up, re-apply thermal adhesive center it in the reflector, let the adhesive dry, then re-solder the leds.
    Note even though the star on my KD (see post# 1118) had adhesive on less than 50% of it, it was pretty hard to get off. The adhesive really does work.
    -john
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    Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...52#post3665771
    Posted by: Blitzwing
    On: 01-26-2011 11:03 PM
    My Ultrafire XM-L is a tad off centre also. Though it appears as though it's stuck down with white silicone...

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    Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:44 AM
    orbital posted:
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    +
    I edited my post # 1078
    the Dereelight 3SM XM-L is 3.4~9V
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    Friday, January 28, 2011 2:11 PM
    recDNA posted:
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    I was asked to compare the Thrunite 1.5 amp single mode XM-L P60 to the Nailbender potted 2.8 amp XM-L P60 w smooth reflector.
    As expected the LOP of the Thrunite gives it a nicer looking beam for white wall hunting. That's my fault for selecting the smooth reflector in the Nailbender. Many times in larger LED's the LOP throws just a s far. No way to know without buying a Nailbender with each reflector. Thrunite is
    slightly dimmer than the 2.8 amp Nailbender especially in the spill area. The hotspots appear very close in brightness although there is no way to know how much of that is from my eye accommodating the brightness. On the other hand even when both beams are projected on the same wall
    at the same distance I see little difference. My Nailbender SST-50 at 2.8 amps actually looked a little brighter than the XM-L to me but it has a bigger hotspot so we're comparing apples to grapefruit.
    I'm certainly happy with both of them.
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    Saturday, January 29, 2011 4:33 AM
    Richwouldnt posted:
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    ---Quote (Originally by John N)---
    I wouldn't be overly inclined to trust these inexpensive drop-ins for this use. I'd want something potted, and preferably a configuration that does not use an outer spring. The Malkoff, Titanium Engineering (Moddoo/Overready) come to mind, and Nailbender (potted, but with spring).
    -john
    ---End Quote---

    As a hobbyist machinist I just made up an aluminum adapter to do a springless installation of a Dereelight XM-L 2.5 amp 3 mode drop-in into a Solarforce L2X Extended host. I measured the parts and machined the insert to fill in all gaps and did the assembly with thermal compound on all
    surfaces. Running on high the light and module now get warm but not really hot. Prior to the adapter the drop-in reflector was .030" smaller in diameter than the host cavity the drop-in fits into. That, plus the spring, basically guaranteed lousy heat transfer between the drop-in and light body.

    I also have the Thrunite 3 mode XM-L drop-in which is driven at 1.5 amps. It does not overheat even without the modifications done for the Dereelight drop-in installation. After 15 minutes of running the drop-in was only warm to the touch when removed from the light. In contrast before doing
    the modification the 2.5 amp Dereelight XM-L drop-in was HOT after only a couple of minutes running at maximum.

    Need for using a spring with a P60 style drop-in is as much a matter of the host chosen as the drop-in itself. The Dereelight host does not use a drop-in spring as there is no room for one with either Dereelight or Thrunite drop-ins.
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    Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:08 AM
    neverGUP posted:
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    It sounds good. Any pictures of modifications?
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    Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:22 PM
    notsobrite posted:
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    recDNA-
    any idea about run time for the thrunite single mode xm-l?
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    Tuesday, February 01, 2011 6:26 PM
    recDNA posted:
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    Only the standard formula total sum mAh of batteries/1500 mA
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    Tuesday, February 01, 2011 9:45 PM
    fyrstormer posted:
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    I have a 3-mode Dereelight 2.5A SST-50 drop-in in my Fireworm F1. I assembled the pill and reflector with Arctic Silver 5 in the threads, and I put a bit more at the base of the reflector where it butts against the shoulder inside the light. Titanium being the passable heat-conductor that it is, the
    heat of the light gets too hot to hold comfortably before the tail feels noticeably warm, but it's good enough for my usage. Wrapping the sides of the reflector in aluminum foil is a good idea, I'll have to give that a try. I wonder if there would be a noticeable decrease in the aluminum's
    effectiveness if I used sticky aluminum tape instead of loose foil? Hmm, things to try...
    ..what's really going to be fun is when I put my 3-mode Dereelight 1.2A XP-G drop-in into the G2 I've ordered. :devil: Yes, I know, Nitrolon is a heat insulator, but I don't really care. At 1.2A, the LED should run efficiently enough to allow for several minutes of high-mode operation before it needs
    a rest, and that's all I'm likely to ever use that light for. The question that's running through my head on that one is, is there a type of lense glass that is best at allowing radiant IR to pass through? I know the stock Borofloat lense will withstand the heat just fine, but if I can get a lense that
    allows the heat to pass through as unhindered as possible, that would be much better.
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    Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:23 AM
    shao.fu.tzer posted:
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    ---Quote (Originally by John N)---
    BTW, I've been meaning to post a picture of my failed KD XML 1-mode drop-in. Not because it failed, but to show how well it was thermally bonded (sorry for the fuzzy picture).
    ---End Quote---
    That's atrocious! Surely a product of child labor.. hehe.. That's one of the many reasons I stay clear of that place...
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    Monday, February 21, 2011 3:55 PM
    srfreddy posted:
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    ---Quote (Originally by recDNA)---
    I was asked to compare the Thrunite 1.5 amp single mode XM-L P60 to the Nailbender potted 2.8 amp XM-L P60 w smooth reflector.
    As expected the LOP of the Thrunite gives it a nicer looking beam for white wall hunting. That's my fault for selecting the smooth reflector in the Nailbender. Many times in larger LED's the LOP throws just a s far. No way to know without buying a Nailbender with each reflector. Thrunite is
    slightly dimmer than the 2.8 amp Nailbender especially in the spill area. The hotspots appear very close in brightness although there is no way to know how much of that is from my eye accommodating the brightness. On the other hand even when both beams are projected on the same wall
    at the same distance I see little difference. My Nailbender SST-50 at 2.8 amps actually looked a little brighter than the XM-L to me but it has a bigger hotspot so we're comparing apples to grapefruit.
    A sphere of course tells the real truth. To my eyes the 1.5 amp XM-L looks MUCH brighter than the 1.5 amp XP-G yet BigC's sphere showed little difference. The 2.8 amp XM-L should look MUCH brighter yet it doesn't. Just goes to show how bad our eyes are at judging these things.
    I'm certainly happy with both of them.
    ---End Quote---

    Can you tell a difference with ceiling bounce? Beamshots?
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    Monday, February 21, 2011 8:51 PM
    recDNA posted:
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    The XM-L looks brighter than the XP-G in ceiling bounce as well. My camera auto adjusts so I can't really show differences in brightness unless I show two beamshots simultaneously.
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    Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:45 PM
    srfreddy posted:
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    Between your two differently driven XMLs?
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    Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:09 PM
    Hedgehog posted:
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    Is there anything out there similar to the Malkoff M60WF? He doesn't make them anymore. I'd also like something more budget-friendly with the understanding I might compromise on quality.
    Warm tint
    Floody
    Single-mode
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    Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:30 PM
    recDNA posted:
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    Never tried running Nailbender for long on high - too bright and I know it will overheat eventually. I don't like heat and li ion batteries in the same sentence.
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    I've noticed a lot of lambertian emitters in what look to be generic KD/DX XR-series drop-in blanks. Does this seem to work fine, and what seems to be the optimum focal point? Thanks!

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Anybody know why they went with a 3-6V driver instead of a 4.2-8.4v driver on the XM-L drop ins?

    It would have allowed the use of r123's. Am I missing something here?

    Second question: I see P60 drop-ins for Solarforce L2 only and ones that fit Solarforce L2 and Surefire6P/G2. What is the difference?

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    The 6P's have tighter tolarances, as they were the original hosts, and Solarforce had to slightly change the dimensions to not infringe international import laws.

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    +

    Lighthound has a low voltage Solarforce XM-L drop-in, 1-mode

    .. could be a good general use output


    Last edited by orbital; 04-07-2011 at 08:47 AM. Reason: wording

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    Just received 2 p60 dropins from dereelight, actually ordered one and a loose 3sm xm-l pill for my aspherical head, but they gave me a free OP p60 reflector to go with that, next to the smo 3sm xm-l p60 dropin. Never had contact with these guys and you find a nice note on second dropin saying "op reflector as gift". How cool is that! Both the OP and SMO look great, alltho it's still not quiet dark yet here. When it comes to lumens it looks close to, if not, brighter than the m91 and alot more throw with a nice tight hotspot. They are rated 3.4 - 9 V and drive at 2.5a

    Ordered them directly from their website and they send it from Hong Kong. I ordered my dbs v3 xm-l awhile ago with them aswell, along with an asperical head without pill. Package arrived 2,5 weeks later in the Netherlands with everything there including with an aspherical head with their standard xr-e r2 pill inside . Dereelight makes nice lights and their service is out of this world, the dropins wont disappoint you.
    Last edited by kojoti; 04-12-2011 at 12:23 PM.

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    I ordered my first P60 host in the form of L2X extended. What dropin do you recommend to use with 2x18650 to give maximum amount of light? I have some multimode lights already, for this I just want something with 1 mode -> full throttle. P7? SST-50? XM-L? This picture really opened my eyes. I want something like that. What should I get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellu View Post
    I ordered my first P60 host in the form of L2X extended. What dropin do you recommend to use with 2x18650 to give maximum amount of light? I have some multimode lights already, for this I just want something with 1 mode -> full throttle. P7? SST-50? XM-L? This picture really opened my eyes. I want something like that. What should I get?
    +

    For your 2x 18650 voltage,
    a Dereelight 2.5Amp XM-L 1-mode pill & xr-e reflector from Jay at flashlightconnection

    XM-L @ 2.5A is plenty bright

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Can you guys help me pick a dropin based on the following criteria:

    Emitter: XP-G neutral white to pure white tint
    Modes: 2 or 3, with memory. High at least 250 OTFL, low less than 20 lumens
    Flat regulation for most of runtime with graceful low battery (ie blinking warning, switch to low or a taper, no sudden lights out).
    Price: $40 USD or less
    Optimized for single Li-ion use, don't want or need voltage input above 4.2V.

    Would be nice but not essential:
    Mode memory that "latches fast", ie good for forward clicky use if you know what I mean
    LOP or SMO reflector, I'm willing to give up a perfect beam for a little more throw
    Current regulated low rather than PWM, if PWM a high frequency.

    Will be used in a C2 /McClicky on 17670 and 18650 once I have it bored out.
    Last edited by Wiggle; 05-01-2011 at 05:58 PM.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggle View Post
    Can you guys help me pick a dropin based on the following criteria:

    Emitter: XP-G neutral white to pure white tint
    Modes: 2 or 3, with memory. High at least 250 OTFL, low less than 20 lumens
    Flat regulation for most of runtime with graceful low battery (ie blinking warning, switch to low or a taper, no sudden lights out).
    Price: $40 USD or less
    Optimized for single Li-ion use, don't want or need voltage input above 4.2V.

    Would be nice but not essential:
    Mode memory that "latches fast", ie good for forward clicky use if you know what I mean
    LOP or SMO reflector, I'm willing to give up a perfect beam for a little more throw
    Current regulated low rather than PWM, if PWM a high frequency.

    Will be used in a C2 /McClicky on 17670 and 18650 once I have it bored out.
    I'm not sure if you want a cool white or neutral white.

    Maybe, You'll be able to find one here.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Can someone suggest a drop-in that throws longer with more output than the Surefire TIR lights(E2DL, LX2, X-series, KX2C, etc). >=4.2V would be a plus.

    I'm thinking the Neofab D1500. Maybe Triple Moddoo or Makoff with optic? How about the Solarforce drop-ins...their prices are really compelling. Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by seattlite View Post
    Can someone suggest a drop-in that throws longer with more output than the Surefire TIR lights(E2DL, LX2, X-series, KX2C, etc). >=4.2V would be a plus.

    I'm thinking the Neofab D1500. Maybe Triple Moddoo or Makoff with optic? How about the Solarforce drop-ins...their prices are really compelling. Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
    Right now, it seems that the hot ticket is http://www.manafont.com/product_info...42v-max-p-5178 Hard to beat a 3-mode P60 Drop-in containing Cree XM-L T6 LED with smooth reflector driven at 3.2A on high for $16.40 delivered. I love all five of mine.
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    ^^

    That's a great deal,..really can't do wrong with that .
    Smart they use SMO reflector,..finally people are getting it

    What was your total shipping time from order date?

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    I got that one off eBay. Comes with smooth and OP. Very impressive output!

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Corvette6769 View Post
    Right now, it seems that the hot ticket is http://www.manafont.com/product_info...42v-max-p-5178 Hard to beat a 3-mode P60 Drop-in containing Cree XM-L T6 LED with smooth reflector driven at 3.2A on high for $16.40 delivered. I love all five of mine.
    Based on your favorable review, I went ahead and ordered one of these. It will be nice to have a 3 mode XM-L and if by chance it turns out to have a little lower low and medium than the DX 5 mode XM-L that I'm using now, that will be a nice bonus, but I don't necessarily expect that.
    Last edited by pae77; 05-25-2011 at 04:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orbital View Post
    ^^

    That's a great deal,..really can't do wrong with that .
    Smart they use SMO reflector,..finally people are getting it

    What was your total shipping time from order date?
    My last one arrived 15 calender days after I ordered it and it is the best one yet.
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    Please help with a low voltage drop-in for use in either a SolarForce L2R or L2i host.

    I'm looking for something floody (XP-G or XM-L ?) with 5 modes and prefer something between cool while and natural. I'm hoping it will run on a single AA Eneloop, 2- AA Eneloops and 3- AAA Eneloops. If it can't run on a single AA then so be it. It would also be great if the drop-in could handle any other battery that fits in the 2 hosts I mentioned but that is probably asking a bit much. I would like to keep costs under $25.
    Last edited by balloonshark; 06-02-2011 at 01:29 AM.

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    Has anyone tried Solarforces XPG-R5, 3-mode with OP-reflector?

    I could use a little bit more spill on my close range (at work) L2m, it now has R2...
    I have R5 with SMO on my L2i, just wondering, if any of you have tested Solarforces new one...

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    I wish someone would invent and sell an infinite adjustment tailcap that can handle 4 amps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvette6769 View Post
    Right now, it seems that the hot ticket is http://www.manafont.com/product_info...42v-max-p-5178 Hard to beat a 3-mode P60 Drop-in containing Cree XM-L T6 LED with smooth reflector driven at 3.2A on high for $16.40 delivered. I love all five of mine.
    How is tint on this? I usually prefer neutral white but a cool white that is "pure white" and not to cool is ok.

    I have this one from Lumens Factory:

    http://www.lumensfactory.com/product...2&sid=7&page=1

    It is said to be less cool (5000-5500 K in the specs) and it has a nice tint but it's not neutral.
    It is actually pretty close to my Surefire G2Xpro that also has a nice white tint even though not neutral.

    Anyway, do you think this one from manafont anything for me?
    Or should I go for anything else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnarGG View Post
    How is tint on this? I usually prefer neutral white but a cool white that is "pure white" and not to cool is ok.

    I have this one from Lumens Factory:

    http://www.lumensfactory.com/product...2&sid=7&page=1

    It is said to be less cool (5000-5500 K in the specs) and it has a nice tint but it's not neutral.
    It is actually pretty close to my Surefire G2Xpro that also has a nice white tint even though not neutral.

    Anyway, do you think this one from manafont anything for me?
    Or should I go for anything else?
    I find mine to be a nice white tint. Huge upgrade from you XR-E R2.
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuikku View Post
    Has anyone tried Solarforces XPG-R5, 3-mode with OP-reflector?

    I could use a little bit more spill on my close range (at work) L2m, it now has R2...
    I have R5 with SMO on my L2i, just wondering, if any of you have tested Solarforces new one...
    An XM-L will draw too much current for AA or AAA batteries, an XP-G will be ok. The XPG drop-in with OP reflector is only sold with one or three modes. So You have t buy an extra reflector or buy one five mode smooth drop-in and one three mode OP drop-in and swap the reflectors.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Corvette6769 View Post
    Right now, it seems that the hot ticket is http://www.manafont.com/product_info...42v-max-p-5178 Hard to beat a 3-mode P60 Drop-in containing Cree XM-L T6 LED with smooth reflector driven at 3.2A on high for $16.40 delivered. I love all five of mine.
    'vette6769....WOW...THANKS!!! I just got the "manafont" today and it is brighter than my nailbender XM-L. For whatever reason, when I first put the drop-in in my host, it would not cycle to its brightest mode using various 18650's and a 17670. So, I put 2xRCR123's in the thing and...DANG...it was bright. I then changed out the cells and now it cycles to all modes using an 18650/17670...and it now behaves as expected.
    Last edited by seattlite; 06-08-2011 at 11:33 PM.

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    Today I also received my "Manafont" XM-L 3 mode drop in that was recommended by Corvette6769. It's just starting to get dark here so haven't fully checked it out but from what I can tell so far it seems very nice. LED is nicely centered and it seems a little brighter on low, med & high than my other 5 mode XM-L's from KD are. The tint seems a little less yellow. A very nice drop in for the money and it's nice to not have to cycle through the annoying strobe and SOS modes. I'm glad I have the 5 mode ones in case I ever need those functions but my new Manafont 3 mode will surely see more daily use.
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