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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk600 View Post
    Thank you Schiesz
    I believe M30s are the best option in the market right now; however I was trying to find cheaper alternatives.
    Good that you have the Solarforce D26 module coming. I will wait your feedback about brightness and primaries capability.
    I wish we had some bean shots comparing the Solarforce D26 with other one cell lights ......
    Regards
    I've been looking for cheaper alternatives as well, but i'm starting to think that the new M30's just can't be beat. I don't know if my older M30 is the same as the newer ones because mine seems to have the same output regardless of primary or Li Ion cell used. As far as the tests, I'll have it all up for you guys as soon as the slow boat from China gets here with my Solarforce D26 module.

    I also just had a cheap drop-in give out on me tonight so I rebuilt it with a DX converter for 1.5-4.2V. So far the output on this on is really good considering I think this was a Cree P2-P4, but it is drawing 1.2A off a primary compared to the 0.85A the malkoff M30 pulls.
    So now I just need 1-2 more drop-ins for 3V and i'll be set
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk600 View Post
    Thanks kosPap
    The Deerelight 3SD it is basically what I am looking (2.8-4.2V), however they mention 18650 or 17670 batteries so I am not sure if it will work fine with 123 RCRs.

    Besides I thought would be nice share this with my fellow cpfer's, I didn't want promote an ebay merchant here; so please do a search for "L2+L2M DYI R2" and you will be able to find it easily.


    DANG

    I paid 32 bucks for the two bodies and head!!! this is some offer, you got to post it in the good deals forum...when you receive it would you mind informing if 18650 will go down the single cell tube? (I will be making a 2x18500 light using an 18650 extender)

    Reafarding the derrelight module I do not see why it shouldn't work with a 16340 RCR. (I am no expert only my point seems reasonable) You get less runtime but comparative output tests with my other dereelight modules show an slight edge for the RCR.

    See this

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    How is the Dereelight MC-E lamp assembly as a P60 drop-in? Anyone here have one?

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Just tried 123 on a 3SD. Acted flakey but did put out some light.

    3.6v makes it act right and get bright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayboyJoeShmoe View Post
    Just tried 123 on a 3SD. Acted flakey but did put out some light.

    3.6v makes it act right and get bright.
    That's the MC-E, right? I understand it is designed for (ideally) two rechargeable cells (around 8.4v ideal?) but it sounds like it can do well with a single rechargeable, like an IMR18650 or an IMR16340?

    Can you estimate how the much difference there is with the Dereelight MC-E and a single rechargeable vs. two rechargeables?

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    No, mine is 3SD Q5.

    I wouldn't think MC-E would be any better on a 123.
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    With the Lumens Factory D26-LED Special 3.6 volt

    Does anybody know the actual minimum(if it has protection) and the absolute maximum voltage?

    I've read elsewhere it's tuned for 3.0-3.6v, but what is the max...4.2v or 4.5v or st else?

    Also could it run safely on a single primary cr123?


    Edit: Word back from LF "The driver is set at 2.4 to 4.2V."
    Last edited by Rat6P; 03-15-2009 at 12:25 AM. Reason: Update on wanted Information

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    I looked real quick and didn't see this posted yet..

    http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDeta...ProductId=7114

    I made my own but this should be the highest output D26 module out there.. easily 400L out the front (if it's direct drive).
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rat6P View Post
    With the Lumens Factory D26-LED Special 3.6 volt

    Does anybody know the actual minimum(if it has protection) and the absolute maximum voltage?

    I've read elsewhere it's tuned for 3.0-3.6v, but what is the max...4.2v or 4.5v or st else?

    Also could it run safely on a single primary cr123?
    Rat... from Lighthound:

    "D26-LED 3.7V Special, High Output Single Mode LED Reflector Module, Selected Tint.

    (3.6V Constant Output) - Single 17670 or 18650 battery ONLY"

    I would definitely use this with a 3.7v rechargeable 16340, 17670, 17500, 18500, 18650 etc. (4.2v off charger) without hesitating. When lamps are rated for 3.7v rechargeables (17670, 18650, etc.), it's known that they will be 4.2v off the charger). So a 3.7v rechargeable (when at 4.2v off the charger) should be fine... of course, if you wish, this could be confirmed by LF or LH. Also, if you use AW protected rechargeables, you will have the protection provided by the cell. It will run fine on a RCR123 (16340) but the runtime will be much shorter than with the recommended 17670 or 18650.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdave View Post
    I looked real quick and didn't see this posted yet..

    http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDeta...ProductId=7114

    I made my own but this should be the highest output D26 module out there.. easily 400L out the front (if it's direct drive).
    Superdave... that could be an awesome drop-in! Great price too. Anyone have one of these? How is ordering from KD? Reliable? Good customer service with problems?

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdave View Post
    I looked real quick and didn't see this posted yet..

    http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDeta...ProductId=7114

    I made my own but this should be the highest output D26 module out there.. easily 400L out the front (if it's direct drive).
    Looks like the same module on the DX list (currently last on the list). Pitty it is not M-bin. Holding back on my MC-E P60 drop-in purchase till M-bin is available without strobe modes.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    i just want one you can run off 2 CR123s

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by CampingLED View Post
    Looks like the same module on the DX list (currently last on the list). Pitty it is not M-bin. Holding back on my MC-E P60 drop-in purchase till M-bin is available without strobe modes.
    Camping... what is the bin on the offered one? What does it look like? And what does the M bin look like?

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    Thanks DHart,

    I admit I was wondering why LH doesnt say 16340's are fine. Thinking about it now my M30 pulls about 1.2A from a 16340, so this should be fine as well.

    The shorter runtimes with 16340's doesnt bother me. I like the profile and they are rechargeable afterall

    I still wonder what the max input allowed is though.


    Quote Originally Posted by DHart View Post
    Rat... from Lighthound:

    "D26-LED 3.7V Special, High Output Single Mode LED Reflector Module, Selected Tint.

    (3.6V Constant Output) - Single 17670 or 18650 battery ONLY"

    I would definitely use this with a 3.7v rechargeable 16340, 17670, 17500, 18500, 18650 etc. (4.2v off charger) without hesitating. When lamps are rated for 3.7v rechargeables (17670, 18650, etc.), it's known that they will be 4.2v off the charger). So a 3.7v rechargeable (when at 4.2v off the charger) should be fine... of course, if you wish, this could be confirmed by LF or LH. Also, if you use AW protected rechargeables, you will have the protection provided by the cell. It will run fine on a RCR123 (16340) but the runtime will be much shorter than with the recommended 17670 or 18650.

    Edit: The driver is set at 2.4 to 4.2V.
    Last edited by Rat6P; 03-15-2009 at 12:26 AM. Reason: update

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by DHart View Post
    Camping... what is the bin on the offered one? What does it look like? And what does the M bin look like?
    According to the sellers it is K bin. No visual difference between M and K bin except for light output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CampingLED View Post
    According to the sellers it is K bin. No visual difference between M and K bin except for light output.
    Any idea what difference there would be in output?

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Here is the link to the CREE MC-E B&L datasheet

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    The one i built is using a M bin direct drive. I've ran it on a single 18650 as well as off of 2 cr123's. It is brighter on the 123's of course but it gets warm pretty quick.

    If the KD one is using the same old Cree reflector used on the Q5 then it probably has a donut hole at a distance, up close it's nice.. although way too bright.

    I'll see if i can post up a beamshot of mine.
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    I think this shows just how bright the MC-E is...

    I used my 5MP Kodak camera on auto with the flash turned off.

    Here is a Surefire P60L on 2 fresh cr123's:



    Here is a Cree Q5 800mA dropin



    and here is the MC-E in the same Z2 host on the same 2 batteries



    you can see the dark spot in the middle, but outside where it really counts this thing is nuts.
    Last edited by Superdave; 03-15-2009 at 07:37 PM.
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    That's an insane difference there superdave. I understand the original p60L only claims 80 lumens though. Have you got any other dropins that you could comapare it to?
    Last edited by NigelBond; 03-15-2009 at 04:57 AM.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by NigelBond View Post
    That's an insane difference there superdave. I understand the original p60L only claims 80 lumens though. Have you got any other dropins that you could comapare it to?

    yes, got a few laying around. However, I measured both in my "integrating cylinder" (there is a thread out there somewhere on it). The P60L came in at 2170 lux (80lm) and the MC-E measured 18,100 which is roughly 670lm.

    Running it on 2 123's is pushing it pretty hard, on a single protected 18650 i got 13,750 lux (509lm)

    I'll snap another pic with a generic 800mA Q5 dropin tonight.
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    I LOVE donuts!!!

    But HATE donut holes!!!

    I have tweaked and tweaked to get good beams from my 3 P7 and one MC-E.

    But these things DO put out LOTS of light!
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by PlayboyJoeShmoe View Post
    I LOVE donuts!!!

    But HATE donut holes!!!

    I have tweaked and tweaked to get good beams from my 3 P7 and one MC-E.

    But these things DO put out LOTS of light!
    Have your tweaks eliminated the donut holes with the MC-E? I've been thinking of picking up one of the DX MC-E lamp assemblies, but am holding back thinking I might get a donut hole with it and not knowing if that can be eliminated. How would you do that with the DX MC-E lamp assembly?

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    All my stuff has regular reflectors, not screw together modules.

    But on a few of my Q5 or R2 modules "spacers" or o-rings effect beam changes and I should think similar actions would have results.

    Or maybe use some loctite when you find nirvana....
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    I was able to get rid of the donut hole with my old P7 dropin by unscrewing it out 1/2 turn.. but the MC-E is more stubborn. I bet a slight tweak of the reflector shape would fix it though..
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    I edited my post with the pic of the Q5 module.
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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdave View Post
    I looked real quick and didn't see this posted yet..

    http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDeta...ProductId=7114

    I made my own but this should be the highest output D26 module out there.. easily 400L out the front (if it's direct drive).
    Can I use 2 RCR123s with this - I'd like to try it in my C2.

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    Default Re: P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

    Quote Originally Posted by johns View Post
    Can I use 2 RCR123s with this - I'd like to try it in my C2.
    I'd think that would be pushing things too hard.

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