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    Default 1911 Gun Question

    I always wondered, is 1911 the general name for all .45 caliber handguns or is it a specific model/brand?

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    1911 is the model colt pistol adopted by US army in 1911

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    I believe the 1911 is a design specific to a government military contract from 1911. I know it's not a general name for all .45 caliber handguns. Colt was a major producer of the 1911 as well as a few others i believe.

    I think I read somewhere they are bringing it back.

    Most of the ones I have seen or shot were very loose and inaccurate but they were also 50 years old.

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    1911 is the general name for pistols, not revolvers, following the shape and function of the Colt Model 1911. It is a specific model to Colt however other manufacturers produce their own 1911 style pistols and nowadays the description is more generic than anything else e.g., Colt 45, Kimber 45, Wilson 45, Les Baer 45 etc.

    It happens to shoot .45 ACP rounds but other 1911s shoot other calibers with the .45 more popular in this style of pistol than any other round.


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    Default Re: 1911 Gun Question

    Some marine units still use the 1911, but theses have been modified by a gunsmith to shoot a lot more accurately as well.

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    Default Re: 1911 Gun Question

    What everyone else already said, plus the 1911 designation is used generally to refer to all .45 ACP semi-auto pistols based on the John Browning design accepted by the US Army in 1911.

    Even my S&W 9mm is based on that Browning design to some extent, but there are enough major differences in it's method of operation that it is not a 1911 in anyone's mind.

    (The Luger pistol, BTW was a 1908. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] )


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    Default Re: 1911 Gun Question

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    Some marine units still use the 1911...modified by a gunsmith to shoot a lot more accurately as well.


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    The colt .45 1911 style I had a few years ago was very accurate as far as pistols go. These were not long range weapons, but I see the appeal of "smithing." I would also like a Kimber modified to hit within 1.5 inches [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    Jeff is right on target. Plenty of companies are making pistols almost identical to the original 1911, so now it's the general name for all pistols of that type:

    1911 means a pistol of this pattern:
    http://www.m1911.org/images/welcome.gif

    http://www.m1911.org/

    The older Colt Single Action Army is a Colt .45 as well, but definately not a 1911.

    Jason:
    The last Kimber Gold Metal I had the chance to fire did very nicely when I did my part. I've got a <5" 25 yard offhand group that is a very, very nice and irrepeatable fluke (for me, not the gun) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] If I can find it, I'll measure it.

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    Some Special operations units still use armorer modified 1911 A1's for clearing and CQB operations. The heavy, slower velocity .45ACP rounds insure that a target goes down and stays down and lessens the chances of rounds passing through targets and walls and such creating accidental injury to innocents.

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    The 1911 is considered by many in the shooting community to be the standard in handgun design.

    They may seem "loose" in tolerances, but this alsso aided in functioning when in the field; dirt, debris, residue.

    The older ones may seem "inaccurate", but I have found that the sights are small and not condusive to target grade accuracy, but good enought o hit a mansized target inside pistol ranges. Remember, it was made for short range, 25 yards or less, military standard.

    I have found that most times handguns don't shoot well due to operator failure.

    Any round has the potential of perforating a target and passing thru.




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    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I got mine [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] (Actually 2 of 'em.) (Tritium sights, Ti this and that, and a bunch of long-discontinued, orig. Win. Black Talon in 8rd mags.) Tomas- the K-date P-08 stays in the safe [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] .

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    Default Re: 1911 Gun Question

    I think answer to the gun question is that it is a specific type of brand.

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    Not a specific brand, but a specific design type, as Tom said it was designed by John Browning (who designed many famous sporting and military arms) as a replacement for the revolvers that the military carried at the time. The 1911A1 (main variant improved over the initial 1911) now is available as custom and standard improved variants as well as basic models true to the military grade, made by a multitude of manufacturers. The list is huge, some names include Kimber, Wilson Combat, Les Baer, Para-Ordnance, Springfield Armory, Colt, Enterprise, Ed Brown, Auto-Ordnance, Caspian Arms, STI and on and on, all offering their interpretations of this singular and reliable design. The most recent large manufacturer to enter the fray is suprisingly Smith and Wesson. During wartime the standard issue 1911's could be made by anyone from General Motors to Ithaca and Remington to Frigidaire. There is also a huge amount of aftermarket parts and accessories for this particular type of firearm.

    Hope this helps!

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    Agreed, these days, I'd say in general "gunstore-parlance" that the "1911"-moniker now refers to a general design pattern--based on John Brownings 1911/1911A1 semi-automatic pistol.

    It is a case of a brilliant design that has endured over nearly 100 years--and the original US Army designation has come to define the genre of successive copies.

    While most of the modern "1911's" are mechanically similar, many/most will not have interchangeable parts with the original military 1911/1911A1's. The modern "1911's" have been highly modified or "hopped up" as it were (even factory "production" guns).

    (Interesting Sidenote: at the time of his death, Browning was working on his "improved 1911" while working for Fabrique Nationale (FN)--and it was FN-designer Diedonne Saive who picked up where Browning left off with the "improved 1911", which eventually became to be known as the FN Model 1935 Grand Puissance (in English known as the "High Power") chambered in 9mm Luger. It became known for its double-column 16-round magazine, "ergonomic" grip/grip angle, and widespread usage by both sides of WWII. The issue of "improved" or not remains hotly debated, but the High Power too has endured into the 21st century as a production item!)

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    Now is a great time for the 1911 style pistols... You can buy a basic production pistol such as a Kimber that has many updates as well as what used to be custom features.

    My primary pistol is a 1911, my secondary is an identical 1911.

    By the way, love the High Powers also but I do not own one... Unlike flashlights, I like to keep my firearms collection simple. Ever heard someone say "Beware of the man with one light"?

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    Guncollector:
    Isn't that 13 rounds?

    Trevor:
    With the increasing barriers to gun ownership, it's getting harder and harder to say, "Ooh, shiny! I want one!"
    Flashlights on the other hand are much easier to get, to the detriment of my wallet.

    But honestly. If some of us used guns as often as we used flashlights, we'd see the need for an EDC and the big one you go back to the house for, and the extra you toss in the car....

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    I'd say that the "1911" designation is more of a design. Single action, grip safety, thumb safety, yada, yada, yada. I use a Para Ordnance 16-40 for Action Pistol Competitions which everyone still refers to as a 1911. 1911 based pistols is just about what most shooters use in competition. . . 1911's are just like flashlights, they can be modded and worked on ti'll your wallet says "no more!".

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    Guncollector:
    Isn't that 13 rounds?

    Trevor:
    With the increasing barriers to gun ownership, it's getting harder and harder to say, "Ooh, shiny! I want one!"
    Flashlights on the other hand are much easier to get, to the detriment of my wallet.

    But honestly. If some of us used guns as often as we used flashlights, we'd see the need for an EDC and the big one you go back to the house for, and the extra you toss in the car....


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    Well there are those who look it that way with firearms. I keep my EDC simple, but have different options for different situations, locales, dress codes. Its the same for both my handguns and/or flashlights.

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    Guncollector:
    Isn't that 13 rounds?


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    Correct, the FN35 was originally designed around a 13-round double-column magazine. Sorry for the typo. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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    LOL, you can always tell the gun nuts, sticlers on specs.
    Come to think of it, have never shot a Hi-Power, have owned or tried out most of the other popular brands.

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    LOL, you can always tell the gun nuts, sticlers on specs.


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    I resemble that remark.

    BTW, the Hi-Power/FN35/Grand Puissance has a trigger in its original form that incorporates a magazine-disconnect-safety, which detractors say compromises the trigger pull.

    I myself have not really noticed it that much, having been weened on DA/SA pulls along with the crisp triggers of a finely-tuned 1911.

    Factoid: The highly touted (and deservedly so) British SAS, the original adopters of the Hi-Power got around the "sloppy" DA-pull by carrying theirs cocked-and-unlocked! Yikes, gentlepersons, do not try this at home! They've since recently switched over to the SIG Sauer P226, and one only wonders whether they carry those cocked also?

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    Have a buddy that used to carry cocked and unlocked on his 1911 in a shoulder holster. You can kinda get away withit on the 1911 but the High Power? I dunno.

    You seen the FN clones in other calibres? Seen them in .45 and .380. I'd like a 1911 in 9mm without having to pay a premium.

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    I like the 1911 for some purposes, I shoot it better at longer ranges than other autos but drastic plastic pistols always get the call for EDC CCW.

    Another interesting variant of JM Browning designs is the Browning BDM, which I own. It is more or less a double action version of the High Power that can be converted to fire DAO or conventional double action. It is the thinnest high cap gun I have ever seen. These were killed by the AW ban that came out with a few months of the gun and Browning dropped it. Great gun.

    Here is a pic of my Colt Delta Elite 10mm that was heavily modified: Barrel, bushing, flat backstrap, recoil spring/rod, frame MetaLifed, throated and polished and trigger job. About a grand in mods, but shoots great groups if I do my part. Heavy as a brick so I never carry it.

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    Default Re: 1911 Gun Question

    The Browning HP is quite nice, and a much better match for my small hands than the 1911. The S&W 39/59 series pistols, and all the similar ones from S&W are based in the 1911 by way of the HP. Currently all my pistols are of that S&W base design (including one of their original steel 39's), except for my mouse gun, a KelTec P32 (backup).

    The only HP I ever really used was a very loose and tired one (that still worked quit well) that I, uh, "liberated" in Viet Nam. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]






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    http://www.geocities.com/webley445/8.html?1052953882860

    Well, you got me going now, put this together for you guys,
    whatcha think?

    I got a Ballestra Molina a few months back, excellent condition. Felt kinda funny at first, what with no grip safety and all, but it shoots great.
    Tomas,
    I likes my KelTec32 also. Got a 8rd and a 10rd mag. The 10 offers a lot better grip for me, especially for drawing from the waistband, but makes it less concealable.

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    Trevor:
    With the increasing barriers to gun ownership, it's getting harder and harder to say, "Ooh, shiny! I want one!"


    [/ QUOTE ]

    Totally understandable. I did the opposite of many of my friends in the last few years and have narrowed down my collection mostly because I realized that I am 1) not a collector and 2) not really a plinker. I figured out what I needed for the type of shooting/training that I do and chose a tool (and a back-up in most cases) for each system or discipline. A 1911 is the pistol of choice for me and all of the DA/SA autos have been sold with the exception of a Sig 226 which I just can't part with. The full size 1911 does not fit all of my needs so I went with a K9 for a very concealable pistol. The K9 may not have external safeties like the 1911 but it has great ergos for a pistol that size plus the trigger pull is consistent from first shot to last.
    I prefer to not have one of everything, I would rather have two of everything that fits my needs (especially due to the ever growing firearms regulations). I train with a 1911 but I make sure that I am proficient with the other weapon systems also.

    Another advantage to this is when it is time to stock up on ammo all I have to buy is .45, 12GA, .308 and .223! Plus I no longer have shoe boxes full of various mags and holsters.

    Take care,
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    Webley445 - I've got a Springfield 1911 chambered for the 9mm for practicing. That is one nice pistol! Never a hiccup and handles pretty well. I highly reccomend it... Also nice collection, I've got a scoped 22/45 also, I also dropped in a new trigger group and a Volquartsen muzzle break, shoots with no recoil at all. Boring? Yes, Fast and Acuurate? Oh yeah. . .

    I've got the Browning Hi Power Practical chambered for the 40, handles and points great!

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    Totally understandable. I did the opposite of many of my friends in the last few years and have narrowed down my collection mostly because I realized that I am 1) not a collector and 2) not really a plinker. I figured out what I needed for the type of shooting/training that I do and chose a tool (and a back-up in most cases) for each system or discipline.
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    I prefer to not have one of everything, I would rather have two of everything that fits my needs (especially due to the ever growing firearms regulations). I train with a 1911 but I make sure that I am proficient with the other weapon systems also.

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    While I remain a collector, I've phased out of the "Buy Them All" mentality--to be honest for fiscal and practical reasons (two daughters under 4, no more storage room, and less time to shoot! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] ).

    I've been downsizing my two main categories of firearms: the "Collectibles/Curio & Relic" and the "Modern/Tactical/Self Defense".

    I've especially downsized in the latter category, where I'm keeping only what I deem "users". So for me, in the pistols sub-category, I've pared it down to essentially Glocks and 1911-variants.

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    I still feel the tug of the "one of each syndrome". But it comes and goes, and to be honest all this 1911 talk has me eyeing them lately, currently only have the Ballestra Molina variant. I had a Ruger P90 in .45 and wouldn't mind getting one again, it was DA and I like that feature in a pistol, plus the safety acted as a decocker.
    Currently my focus has been a sidearm for work. I manage a security company and corporate is now bidding on armed accounts. I got a 92FS for duty use but am looking for a 4" .38 also to meet state requirements. They also allow .380's...hmmm....

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    webley445,

    You can't go wrong with a good 1911. You'll be surprised in the difference between it and the P90. If you stick with one of the manufacturers these guys have mentioned you'll have a great weapon. There isn't a finer feeling in the world than the clean crisp SA break of a quality 1911. I'm getting misty. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

    If you haven't already done so, after you get your 1911 and when you're ready for another stellar performer, take a look at the HK USP.

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