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    I am trying to choose a low beam H7 light bulb for a Hyundai Elantra and having trouble choosing between these two finalists:

    a. Osram Rallye 65W

    b. Osram Night Breaker® +90 Ultra High Output 55w H7 Bulb.

    Anyone has any suggestion? I am afraid that the Rallye's extra power might not be quite so useful with Hyundai's cheapo wiring. Thanks!

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    Get the Osram Rallye 65w bulbs. More light and longer life than the Night Breakers, and surprisingly enough, the Korean cars of the last 10 years or so have had comparatively beefy headlight wiring...better than is found in Fords, Subarus, Toyotas and Hondas, even!

    Cheapest price I've seen on the 65w Osram H7 is here; anyone seen 'em for cheaper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    Get the Osram Rallye 65w bulbs. More light and longer life than the Night Breakers, and surprisingly enough, the Korean cars of the last 10 years or so have had comparatively beefy headlight wiring...better than is found in Fords, Subarus, Toyotas and Hondas, even!

    Cheapest price I've seen on the 65w Osram H7 is here; anyone seen 'em for cheaper?
    Thanks, I actually have not seen a lower price anywhere else or noticed too many different places that sell these at all. Ebay does not even seem to recognize their existence.

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    I recently put the Osram Rallye H7 bulbs in my wifes 2002 Kia Optima... All I can say is WOW!!!! An awesome bulb to say the least!!!

    Most of what you'll find on Ebay is junk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    Get the Osram Rallye 65w bulbs. More light and longer life than the Night Breakers, and surprisingly enough, the Korean cars of the last 10 years or so have had comparatively beefy headlight wiring...better than is found in Fords, Subarus, Toyotas and Hondas, even!

    Cheapest price I've seen on the 65w Osram H7 is here; anyone seen 'em for cheaper?

    Is their expected life span shorter than the standard H7 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by QualityAir View Post
    Is their expected life span shorter than the standard H7 ?
    candlepower.com claims that at 500 hours it's about the same.

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    So an interesting fact to consider is that the packaging says "Off-Road only" and "Not approved for public roads" as well as "Not for use in Europe/USA"

    Which means that it can't be used as a low beam for sure. I am a little peeved that the website (candlepower.com) did not mention it, as all the other lights that are not meant for regular use are clearly defined as such. Granted, looking at the 2100 lumen number, I should have thought through the fact that its quite a bit more than standard H7 bulbs. So, back to square one.

    Oh, and I can't find the lightbulb on Osram's website?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushnrockt View Post
    So an interesting fact to consider is that the packaging says "Off-Road only" and "Not approved for public roads" as well as "Not for use in Europe/USA"
    Which means that it can't be used as a low beam for sure.
    You're assuming that a bulb maker's statement has the force of law (it doesn't), you're assuming the actual requirements of every individual state's regulations can be accurately summarized in six words on a bulb box (they can't), and -- even stranger -- you're assuming that the phrase "Not for use in Europe/USA" means "not for use in low beams"; the one doesn't follow from the other. Plenty of people have used the 65w Osram H7 in well-engineered low beams with good and safe results.

    I am a little peeved that the website (candlepower.com) did not mention it, as all the other lights that are not meant for regular use are clearly defined as such.
    H'mm. How do you figure? Go look at the description for this bulb on their site; it's full of the same language they use for their other higher-than-stock-wattage bulbs. Rallye, race, special-service, etc.

    Anyhow, I'm not sure how any of this puts you "back at square one". You've got a bunch of people on here saying "Use them, they work safely and effectively", and you've got six butt-covering disclaimer words on a bulb box. I guess you have to decide which body of advice holds more weight.

    Oh, and I can't find the lightbulb on Osram's website?
    And...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    You're assuming that a bulb maker's statement has the force of law (it doesn't), you're assuming the actual requirements of every individual state's regulations can be accurately summarized in six words on a bulb box (they can't), and -- even stranger -- you're assuming that the phrase "Not for use in Europe/USA" means "not for use in low beams"; the one doesn't follow from the other. Plenty of people have used the 65w Osram H7 in well-engineered low beams with good and safe results.
    You are correct, I just didn't take the phrase far enough, I should just assume that the meaning is that it is not for "use in low beams, high beams or anything else for that matter in Europe/USA." I'll test the lights out in one of the cars, but being in an area where police get angry about Silverstars, it would be useful to know that the manufacturer decided to put this type of wording on their packaging. Even if it is only because they never bothered to get one certificate or another to get the proper stamps of approval. Informed buyer = happy buyer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    H'mm. How do you figure? Go look at the description for this bulb on their site; it's full of the same language they use for their other higher-than-stock-wattage bulbs. Rallye, race, special-service, etc.
    Ok, since you want examples, here is a text of another overwattage bulb

    "This overwattage bulb is for racing, off-road, and special-service usage. It is not compatible with stock wiring; relays and heavy-gauge wiring are necessary."

    As a customer, it's a bit hard to know how the site decides one or other relative to what the manufacturer says.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    Anyhow, I'm not sure how any of this puts you "back at square one". You've got a bunch of people on here saying "Use them, they work safely and effectively", and you've got six butt-covering disclaimer words on a bulb box. I guess you have to decide which body of advice holds more weight.
    Putting multiple personality disorders aside, the statistical "bunch" is quite small, however believable. A lot of people here swear by their HID conversions and I don't take their word for it either. And butt-covering words sometimes are there because there is a reason to cover said butt, that's how most of the warnings are made out there. I do expect informative websites to show things like that. This is a case of the jitters, if you will, due to ambiguity of why the bulbs have such markings and CandlePower omitting that information. Again, informed buyer = happy buyer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    And...?
    And it would've been cool to compare the bulb's specs to all the other ones they have since it's quite a performer? What in the loving world did you want?

    Thanks for the help anyways, I'll go on with this experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushnrockt View Post
    I'll test the lights out in one of the cars, but being in an area where police get angry about Silverstars
    Blue American ones or colorless European ones? I can't imagine any cop being able to tell you have 65w H7s instead of 55w H7s, since the light color and appearance is about the same. That is, unless your lights are not correctly aimed or are improperly used (high beams in traffic, etc.), in which case the cops ought to get angry with you no matter what bulbs you have.

    Ok, since you want examples, here is a text of another overwattage bulb

    "This overwattage bulb is for racing, off-road, and special-service usage. It is not compatible with stock wiring; relays and heavy-gauge wiring are necessary."
    The only real difference I see between that quote and the 65w H7 descriptive text is the presence/absence of the warning about wiring and relays. Everything else is about the same. I interpret that to mean that the 65w H7 is compatible with most stock wiring, which matches my own experience with it (and that of others who have used it, so it seems).

    Putting multiple personality disorders aside, the statistical "bunch" is quite small, however believable. A lot of people here swear by their HID conversions and I don't take their word for it either.
    That's a good point, but you gotta consider the sources individually. Compare the clueless noobs who babble about how great their "HID kits" are, to the more knowledgeable and realistic evaluations provided by those who have used the 65w bulbs.


    And it would've been cool to compare the bulb's specs to all the other ones they have since it's quite a performer? What in the loving world did you want?
    Oh, okay, it just looked like you were somehow doubting that the bulbs exist (or are really made by Osram) or something.

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    For a quick update:

    On 2004 Hyundai Sonata with stock lights, the difference is just about literally day and night. No more wondering if the lights are actually on.

    On 2005 Hyundai Elantra with stock lights, the difference cannot be perceived by naked eye. A bit of a disappointment, but apparently the original GE light bulbs are well chosen.

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    A couple months since the last reply, but hope I can help.
    After having the Ring Xenon Plus in for a few months & replaced them with the Osram Night Breakers, AND WOW, what a difference!! Esp when there are no street lights & with the thin blue bands it gives off a whiter light (less strain on the eye).
    Osram do state that they dont last as long, but i have had them in +- 9 months now, and still going strong.
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    I was wondering, is there much noticeable difference between the Rallye 65W and the Night Breakers? Is there anywhere in the UK that sells the Rallye as a quick google shown nothing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecotack View Post
    I was wondering, is there much noticeable difference between the Rallye 65W and the Night Breakers? Is there anywhere in the UK that sells the Rallye as a quick google shown nothing?
    Here is a link to a guy with a VW Golf who has "photo compared" the two bulbs. I do not know how accurate the photo comparison is.
    http://www.my-gti.com/1780/upgrading...d-65watt-bulbs

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    I am very satisfied with the Philips Extreme Power "Racing Performance" Five-Star.

    They have 55w and are fully approved.

    But I suppose the Osram are pretty good as well.
    Somewhere in this forum there should be a link to a test of automotive bulbs ... maybe I'll be able to dig that out.
    Regards, Alex
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    A friend of mine sells bulbs for motorcycles and has the 55w Osram Silverstars at a decent price, if anybody's interested.
    I had these in my bike and they were very good.
    Link to Electrical Connection site


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    The Elantra has a properly designed reflector for the low beams.

    The light output and shape is beautiful. I personally just use Sylvania Xtravisions as they are widely available and are a +30 design with clear glass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecotack View Post
    is there much noticeable difference between the Rallye 65W and the Night Breakers?
    Yes, huge. The 65w H7s produce 2100 lumens @ 13.2v. Any 55w H7 is limited to no more than 1650 lumens (@ 13.2 volts).

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    Ah, I found the similar thread I was referring to:
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=231144
    Regards, Alex
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    I went with the Osram Rallye and actually have trouble seeing difference between the stock bulb and Rallye in Elantra, but it was good to begin with. In Sonata, the difference is amazing and is well worth the money.

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    We bought Audi A4-97 1.9TDIq for winter, it has H7s for low and highbeams and H1 fog lights all in same housing. I want low beams to be bright but also road legal so no hid kits for me.
    I bought few different bulbs for test, lightmeter is built in Mastech Multimeter so these readings only shows bulb differences, not actual values
    Lux readings are 1 meter from headlights low beam. I tried to find highest value with regular bulb and left luxmeter there. Car was running and voltage at bulb base 13.2V.
    Osram 64210 "standard" 15600lux
    Osram 64210L (long life) 16100lux
    Osram 64210NBR (Night Breaker) 19500lux
    Osram 64217 (Off-Road/Rallye 65W) 20000lux

    So Night Breakers for lowbeams, Rallye for highbeams, and others for summertime use About bulb prices: I bought rallyes for 19$ pair
    and Nightbreakers 25$ pair, these seems to be only items that can be bought locally cheaper than in internet. Thought it needed many store visits.
    I still want to try Philips X-Treme Power or new X-Treme Vision if I can find at reasonable price.
    GE also has +90 H7 that I might try for 27$ a pair.

    Juha

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    I wonder why there isn't a bigger difference between night breaker and Ralley! Perhaps some one can explain to us un-enlightened ones. It would be nice to see your comparison of night breaker with philips xtreme in a similar way.

    Having re-read your post I realise that the light meter was left at a position that was the "hotspot" for the regular bulb and perhaps that was not the right spot for other bulbs. Just guessing!
    Last edited by raj55; 10-04-2010 at 10:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raj55 View Post
    I wonder why there isn't a bigger difference between night breaker and Ralley!
    1. Because this comparison measures only one fixed point in the beam, which is not sufficient to do much of any meaningful comparison of the overall safety performance of the headlamp with any given bulb, but that doesn't matter because

    2. These readings don't tell us anything useful at all. They don't mean anything because they were taken just a little over 3 feet from the lamp. The beam pattern is not at all focused or formed at that short distance; most headlamp beams are not fully focused/formed until you get at least 10 feet away from the lamp.

    3. Also, as you surmise, the point of maximum intensity moves within the beam -- often substantially -- with different bulbs.
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    Rallye has longer filament than Nightbreaker so that has effect, the "hotspot" values can be similar but overal amount of light is higher.

    I measured voltage only with regular 55W bulb, with 65W Rallye it is lower, car has normal wiring. I may add relays and better wiring when I have time.

    I agree with Scheinwerfermann that these values doesn't mean anything, only one measurement point and too close, also my light meter isn't good enough.
    Headlight is old, lots of small stone hits and some dust inside that cause light to distord wrong places. It really needs new headlights but 2 new Bosch $$$$$

    I tried to find article how Finnish Car magazine test their headlights but did't find it, they have made light pattern measurements for all the cars they test. They have automatic test bench in their lightlaboratory and they show 5lux light pattern for low and highbeams. They have done it for 20years now.

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    If your headlamp lenses are glass, you may be able to replace just the lens. I did that recently with one of the headlamps on my '84 Mercedes when I broke the lens in a minor accident. It was about $40 for a OEM Bosch lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Guy View Post
    If your headlamp lenses are glass, you may be able to replace just the lens.
    They are glass but well glued and not with clips and seal, same car was also with H4 headlights and if they were made by Valeo then there are lenses available.

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    H'mm. That's odd. The USA version of the Bosch early A4 headlamp has a glued lens (in accordance with FMVSS No. 108 requirements) but the ECE (Europe/rest of world) version uses a gasket and lens clips.

    Bosch part numbers—

    Lens:
    1 305 621 664 and 1 305 621 665

    Gasket
    1 301 016 055 and 1 301 016 056

    Clip:
    1 301 251 062 (5 per lamp)
    1 301 682 094 (1 per lamp)

    Hurry, though, all of these are "Remaining stock in warehouse only", no longer manufactured.

    If you are finding glue holding your lenses on, perhaps somebody has performed some improper repairs in the past.

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    Crap, you are right, again. I assumed that H7 headlights are sealed since I only saw H4 lenses for sale. I don't know how I did't see the clip on side, on top clips are under rubber gasket. This is good news now I can start looking for bare lenses, less$$$

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumi View Post
    I tried to find article how Finnish Car magazine test their headlights but did't find it, they have made light pattern measurements for all the cars they test. They have automatic test bench in their lightlaboratory and they show 5lux light pattern for low and highbeams. They have done it for 20years now.
    This seems to be a mag named "the technical mailmadam"
    Great that they are consistently testing this, even for motorcycles. And I love the scary-looking IR shots of the seat heating! (For ignorants like me, Finnish is great fun to explore, almost like Indonesian)

    one test in English is here:
    http://opelinsigniaclub.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/winter-car-2009.pdf

    And there seems to be a graphic depiction of D2S loss of brightness. Nice idea, though I can't tell how objective the test's design was:
    http://fin-tuning.net/FTBB/index.php?topic=1578.msg14579;topicseen

    In case you'll be ordering from Bosch, and are still interested in testing bulbs, they also have a part# for 65 watts H7: 1 987 302 076
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