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    I'm looking for a p7 flashlight not more than 50 bucks. There are so many out there and for newbie like me, there's so much info! But I'm looking for one that has a flooded beem, mainly used for hiking or caving. Can u guys suggest any

    thanks!!!

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    In my opinion, anything less than $70-100. I think you'll have better luck with a quality single emitter light. CREE Q5 or R2.

    $50 and you're in the cheap P7 range, troubles can arise. Don't forget that the P7 emitter alone is $20-$30.

    Also since you are new I doubt you have the right batteries to power a P7 Light, 16340s or 18650s. Those + Charger is usually $20 alone.

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    in that price class: makes no difference

    have Your soldering iron ready, as well as the site to order spares (emitter/driver) from, if something goes
    (imho: 50:50 chance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by krisman136 View Post
    I'm looking for a p7 flashlight not more than 50 bucks. There are so many out there and for newbie like me, there's so much info! But I'm looking for one that has a flooded beem, mainly used for hiking or caving. Can u guys suggest any

    thanks!!!
    I do not believe that you can find any 900 lumen P7 flashlights, they are more like 400 to 700 lumen.

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    hey thanks for helping me out. q7 seem nice to have, but I don't own any sodering iron or stuff like that. I'm not willing to spend hundreds of dollars on my first cool flashlight ether. What about q5's? Any of you flashlight experts have any suggestions of a good flashlight? I already have the specal batterity and the charger in my shopping cart on dealtime. Just somthing bright, floody, and somewhat realibile.

    here are some that intrested me

    UltraFire U4-MCU Cree Q5-WC seems pretty cool

    I'm soo excited, I love flashlights and I can't wait to get somthing actally bright! My old led flashlight, I carried it around where ever I went, I would lay in my bed and click the button on and off. But now the led flashlight lost alot of it's power, and looking for somthing more than typical walmart lights.

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    Maybe look at the new shinningbeam models? MC-E based ones are slightly over $50 though.

    Or get a Solarforce L2, with a good Q5/R2 pill. Later without too much trouble you can drop in a Malkoff M60-MC-E module if you still want more lumes/flood (that module alone though is more than $50)

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    When still "new" to the problems cheap light can give (and how to repair that),
    better stay with the medium prices makers lights.

    These are Fenix, Jetbeam, ..., You will read of them here with ease.

    The 2*AA models of Fenix (or Jetbeam) are the perfect start!
    Sure, they cost more than the ones You checked till now, but they are worth the price. Imho the value ratio of these single emitter lights in the price range of 50-60,-- is yet unbeaten.


    Much cheaper ones --> same as P7 lights --> have Your iron ready

    PS: You will end up buying one of the 50-60,-- lights when getting the cheap ones, so why not save that money?

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    If your looking for bright but decent quality, at lower cost, I would say Eagletac. specifically, the P100A2. At around $45 and 195 lumens, its a pretty good deal.
    Lots of good Fenix lights too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixitman View Post
    If your looking for bright but decent quality, at lower cost, I would say Eagletac. specifically, the P100A2. At around $45 and 195 lumens, its a pretty good deal.
    Lots of good Fenix lights too.
    I checked out the eagletac and it seems to be really nice. The reviews seems to be good. Another thing is that it can take typical aa batterys, don't have to buy special ones and the charger.

    So I bought it, and now I am very excited to get it. Eagletac has this new 900 Lumen light coming out, $150 but it sounds like a well made light. I will see what people have to say about that, that could be my future light later on the monthes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow View Post
    When still "new" to the problems cheap light can give (and how to repair that),
    better stay with the medium prices makers lights.

    These are Fenix, Jetbeam, ..., You will read of them here with ease.

    The 2*AA models of Fenix (or Jetbeam) are the perfect start!
    Sure, they cost more than the ones You checked till now, but they are worth the price. Imho the value ratio of these single emitter lights in the price range of 50-60,-- is yet unbeaten.


    Much cheaper ones --> same as P7 lights --> have Your iron ready

    PS: You will end up buying one of the 50-60,-- lights when getting the cheap ones, so why not save that money?
    I agree.
    If caving and hiking is what you will be using it for, build quality is important.
    I don't think you would enjoy being left in the dark from a cheaply made light.
    Also, being able to count on it as signaling beacon should you get into a accident during one of your treks.

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    I would recommend the XTAR SSC-P7 or XTAR-MCE within the price range that you're looking at.

    You can buy them at Quality China Goods for under $50.

    I bought an XTAR-C2 SSC-P7 from Lighthound for a bit more than that, but I'm assuming that its the same light.

    The build is much better than the light I have from Deal Extreme ie. the original MTE-SSC-P7 and yet its not much more expensive.

    There have been several other purchasers that seem to have been happy with this light and there is also a review by CPFer Amonra.
    (you'll find this using the Advanced Search function)

    I'd estimate the starting output to be 500+ lumens which very gradually drops due to it being Direct Drive.
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    2 very cheap and powerfull options:
    option 1:
    Aurora AK-P7-5 HA-III SSC P7-C
    36$

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15739


    its bin c only 750 lum at 2.8 amp but direct drived current draw will be arround 4 amp (920 lum)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd_Q16O_LsQ




    option 2:
    MTE SF-15 SSC P7-D
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22567
    30$


    its bin D but not direct drived, you must make it dd for get arround 1000 lum at 4 amp

    option 2 its better but you need make it dd
    custom flashlights:2 x MTE sf-15 SST-90@10amp,,romisen rc-g2 q5bin ez900chip aspherical and sku7882 @2.75 amp 18000 lux@1m, tiablo collimator with q5 ez900 chip @2.95 amp 72000 lux@1m. pc: e8400/gtx 285

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    Quote Originally Posted by moviles View Post
    its bin D but not direct drived, you must make it dd for get arround 1000 lum at 4 amp
    And remember that it is emitter lumens, not "out the front" lumens and with DD you only get the specified value with freshly recharged batteries, after a short time the output will be lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moviles View Post
    2 very cheap and powerfull options:
    option 1:
    Aurora AK-P7-5 HA-III SSC P7-C
    36$

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15739


    its bin c only 750 lum at 2.8 amp but direct drived current draw will be arround 4 amp (920 lum)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd_Q16O_LsQ




    option 2:
    MTE SF-15 SSC P7-D
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22567
    30$


    its bin D but not direct drived, you must make it dd for get arround 1000 lum at 4 amp

    option 2 its better but you need make it dd
    I think you have to take the specs on DealExtreme with a huge pinch of salt.

    Taking your second example, it says its digitally regulated at 2.8A with a runtime on hi of 2.5 hours.

    This is clearly rubbish since the capacity of an 18650 isn't nearly high enough to provide 2.8 X 2.5 Ah

    My guess is that if these lights are true to form for all the other DX lights, they are unregulated and have quite a lot of resistance in the circuit
    so that in actual fact they provide nowhere near 2.8A to the P7.

    Probably more like 1.5A.

    This is certainly the case for my DX-MTE-SSC-P7.

    Tight regulation is expensive and at $30.80, its highly unlikely that there's any regulation at all.

    The 4 modes are probably controlled by PWM which is very inexpensive to provide.
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    At what sort of price do these lights become worthwhile????? And what are some worthwhile makes and models???????

    Have been eyeing up a D cell maglite P7 upgrade but after adding up all the prices am beginning to wonder if it isn't worth getting a readymade P7 ? Just not sure which are the ones worth having.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by moviles View Post
    its bin c only 750 lum at 2.8 amp but direct drived current draw will be arround 4 amp (920 lum)
    You will get 4 amps only for a very short time and only with fresh battery, then the current will drop pretty quickly below 3 amps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    I think you have to take the specs on DealExtreme with a huge pinch of salt.

    Taking your second example, it says its digitally regulated at 2.8A with a runtime on hi of 2.5 hours.

    This is clearly rubbish since the capacity of an 18650 isn't nearly high enough to provide 2.8 X 2.5 Ah

    My guess is that if these lights are true to form for all the other DX lights, they are unregulated and have quite a lot of resistance in the circuit
    so that in actual fact they provide nowhere near 2.8A to the P7.

    Probably more like 1.5A.

    This is certainly the case for my DX-MTE-SSC-P7.

    Tight regulation is expensive and at $30.80, its highly unlikely that there's any regulation at all.

    The 4 modes are probably controlled by PWM which is very inexpensive to provide.
    you must make it direct drived for get 4 amp current draw and 1000-1100 lum the first minutes
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    Quote Originally Posted by moviles View Post
    you must make it direct drived for get 4 amp current draw and 1000-1100 lum the first minutes
    You will probably kill the led if its allowed to have 4A going to it, unless the heat-sinking is extremely good.
    Even then it would be asking for trouble in such a small sized light.
    This is assuming that you can even eliminate all the resistance in the circuit.
    Then there are not many conventional tail-switches that can stand 4A.
    Seems to me you are just asking for trouble.
    I also have to ask what the point is of driving it to 4A only for a few minutes anyway?
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    Impossible for a $50 dollar light P7 to give you 400 plus reliable lumens. The DX MC-E drop-in for Surefire made 348 LUmens out the front and that would run 30 to 40 minutes on a single 18650.

    I say get a Malkoff Devices M60WF. This is a drop-in module for Surefire 6P, G2, ect... or at lighthound.com you can get a Hosts made by Solarforce for $25 which is good overall. IMHO: the flood Malkoff stuff is king of flood. The warm makes the color of objects seem more realistic. You will have to spend around $90 for this set-up, but it seems like a good first purchase.

    If you do get the cheaper P7 or Q5 LED lights it will teach you alot about flashlights and dealing with all the issues you will likely encounter will make you appreciate the Malkoff and Surefire more.
    Surefire 6P with Malkoff M60 simple, bright, efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    Impossible for a $50 dollar light P7 to give you 400 plus reliable lumens.
    Actually, at risk of sounding very repetitive the XTAR-C2-P7, which I have, does just this.

    Please look at the review by Amonra.

    Maybe its the only reliable light in this price range, but presumably that is why Lighthound stocks it since they are one of the best
    retailers known on CPF and are not known for selling bad products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    Actually, at risk of sounding very repetitive the XTAR-C2-P7, which I have, does just this.

    Please look at the review by Amonra.

    Maybe its the only reliable light in this price range, but presumably that is why Lighthound stocks it since they are one of the best
    retailers known on CPF and are not known for selling bad products.

    I have yet to purchase one. Even my DX MC-E drop-in P60 style needed a bit of soldering. I have almost given up with the cheaper P7 lights. I just want a 99% turnkey light or drop-in. So, far I like the Mag P7 custom job the best. 2nd I like the Malkoff MC-E in a 6P bored w/18650 extention.

    I do have 2 Trustfire Q5's on the way. Here is too hoping that these work good off the bat and continue working for months to come. I have a Fenix headband that can hold 2 1in lights and plan on sticking 1 on each side. Headbands are usefull tools when working on your car at night.

    I will look into the Amonra. Thanks for the tip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    I have yet to purchase one. Even my DX MC-E drop-in P60 style needed a bit of soldering. I have almost given up with the cheaper P7 lights. I just want a 99% turnkey light or drop-in. So, far I like the Mag P7 custom job the best. 2nd I like the Malkoff MC-E in a 6P bored w/18650 extention.

    I do have 2 Trustfire Q5's on the way. Here is too hoping that these work good off the bat and continue working for months to come. I have a Fenix headband that can hold 2 1in lights and plan on sticking 1 on each side. Headbands are usefull tools when working on your car at night.

    I will look into the Amonra. Thanks for the tip.
    You're welcome.

    Please note that for this light AW protected 18650 li-ions are recommended.

    Some other 18650 li-ions will not work as they have their protection mechanism tripped by the high current to the led.

    You are correct in that its very hard to find any good, cheapish, quad-die lights.

    I stumbled onto the XTAR-C2-P7 when I typed SSC-P7 into the search box in the Lighthound web site and then quickly ordered one.

    Then I searched for it on CPF and was pleasantly surprised to see that it was backed up by positive feedback including the detailed review by Amonra.

    When I received it, it worked like a champ straight out the box, no tweaks necessary.

    It outputs 500 lumens+ and this only drops very slowly so that it retains most of this output for nearly all of the life of a charge on an AW protected 18650
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    Spend just a bit more and get the Eagletac T10LC2. THey are awesome....extremely bright if needed, and a very long runtime on the low mode . THe 60 lumen low mode is actually quite bright, and would easily work for caving and hiking. Great quality light and this new model uses the 18650 battery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse one View Post
    Spend just a bit more and get the Eagletac T10LC2. THey are awesome....extremely bright if needed, and a very long runtime on the low mode . THe 60 lumen low mode is actually quite bright, and would easily work for caving and hiking. Great quality light and this new model uses the 18650 battery.
    But its not a P7 flashlight. (and probably nowhere near 500 lumens in output)
    The OP specifically requested p7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    You're welcome.

    Please note that for this light AW protected 18650 li-ions are recommended.

    Some other 18650 li-ions will not work as they have their protection mechanism tripped by the high current to the led.

    You are correct in that its very hard to find any good, cheapish, quad-die lights.

    I stumbled onto the XTAR-C2-P7 when I typed SSC-P7 into the search box in the Lighthound web site and then quickly ordered one.

    Then I searched for it on CPF and was pleasantly surprised to see that it was backed up by positive feedback including the detailed review by Amonra.

    When I received it, it worked like a champ straight out the box, no tweaks necessary.

    It outputs 500 lumens+ and this only drops very slowly so that it retains most of this output for nearly all of the life of a charge on an AW protected 18650

    I been using IMR 18650 cellls due to the high current. What is the advantage of using a protected cell. I too rather use a AW black protected 18650.
    What is the advantage??????????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    I been using IMR 18650 cellls due to the high current. What is the advantage of using a protected cell. I too rather use a AW black protected 18650.
    What is the advantage??????????????
    AFAIK, the IMR cells have "safer" chemistry in them, but will not last as long on a single charge as they have less capacity.

    Li-ion technology (ie as in std. 18650s) is not considered as safe, but that is why the AW protected li-ions are protected
    against over/under discharging and have thermal protection too.
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