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    Hahaha Some RCR123A Runtimes



    The power hungry Test Machine = Solarforce Mini L2 MC-E



    The batteries :

    1/ KD – PRCR123A 3.7v - 625mAh - $3.01 each
    2/ Solarforce PRCR123A 3.7v – 880mAh - $3.95 each [ 800mAh claimed by seller ]
    3/ Trustfire – PRCR123A 3.7v – 880mAh - $2.25 each .
    4/ E-bay – RCR123A 3.7v – 1000mAh - $2.20 each.
    5/ Ultrafire – RCR123A 3.7v – 880mAh - $3 each [ Ebay ]
    6/ AW- PRCR123A 3.7v – 750mAh - $9 each
    7/ Ultrafire – PRCR123A 3.7v – 1000mAh - $3.19 each
    8/ Ultrafire – PRCR123A 3.7v – 880mAh - $2.50 each
    9/ DX - RCR123A – 800mAh 3.7v - $1.64 each .
    10/ Spiderfire – PRCR123A 3.7v – 1000mAh - $4 each

    P = Protected / R = Rechargeable / CR123A = 3.7volt


    No1 KD – PRCR123A 3.7v - 625mAh - $3.01 each Length = 1.400inch Dia = o.650inch

    Started @ Voltage 4.09 Amp draw 1.5
    05 Minutes = V 3.90 A 1.6 ...Hot - The mini L2 gets hot after 3 minutes .
    10 Minutes = V 3.74 A 1.4 ..." " "
    15 Minutes = V 3.68 A 1.13
    20 Minutes = V 3.47 A o.93 I noticed a bit of fade at this point .
    25 Minutes = V 3.34 A 0.63 Flashlight is running much cooler
    30 Minutes = v 3.17 A o.35 Just about at the end , not much output + cool running now .
    35 Minutes = V 2.97 A 0.25 Amps start at o.25 but quickly drop to o.15 , id say the batt is just about exhausted .

    No2 Solarforce PRCR123A – 880mAh - $3.95 each [ 800mAh claimed by seller ] Length = 1.350inch Dia = o.650inch

    Started @ Voltage 4.10 Amp draw 1.8
    05 Minutes = V 3.89 A 1.71
    10 Minutes = V 3.83 A 1.59
    15 Minutes = V 3.73 A 1.4
    20 Minutes = V 3.51 A 1.07
    25 Minutes = V 3.00 A 0.31
    30 Minutes = V 2.71 A o.o6

    No3 Trustfire – PRCR123A 3.7v – 880mAh - $2.25 each Length = 1.390inch Dia = o.655inch

    Started @ Voltage 4.10 Amp draw 1.81
    05 Minutes = V 3.86 A 1.67
    10 Minutes = V 3.82 A 1.44
    15 Minutes = V 3.68 A 1.32
    20 Minutes = V 3.50 A 1.02
    25 Minutes = V 3.04 A o.35
    30 Minutes = V 2.77 A o.o8

    No4 E-bay – RCR123A 3.7v – 1000mAh - $2.20 each. Length = 1.315inch Dia = .650inch

    Started @ Voltage 4.11 Amp draw 1.77
    05 Minutes = V 3.87 A 1.66
    10 Minutes = V 3.81 A 1.57
    15 Minutes = V 3.73 A 1.45
    20 Minutes = V 3.60 A 1.23
    25 Minutes = V 3.46 A 1.01
    30 Minutes = V 3.28 A o.72
    35 minutes = V 2.84 A o.17

    No5 Ultrafire – RCR123A 3.7v – 880mAh - $3 each [ Ebay ] Length = 1.310inch Dia = .650inch

    Started @ Voltage 4.11 Amp draw 1.76
    05 Minutes = V 3.93 A 1.8
    10 Minutes = V 3.81 A 1.57
    15 Minutes = V 3.70 A 1.47
    20 Minutes = V 3.35 A o.8
    25 Minutes = V 3.00 A o.1

    No6 AW- PRCR123A 3.7v – 750mAh - $9 each Length 1.365inch Dia = .650inch

    Started @ Voltage 4.12 Amp Draw 1.56
    05 Minutes = V 3.89 A 1.51
    10 Minutes = V 3.80 A 1.45
    15 Minutes = V 3.74 A 1.39
    20 Minutes = V 3.70 A 1.29
    25 Minutes = V 3.54 A o.96
    30 Minutes = V 2.95 A o.20


    No7 Ultrafire – PRCR123A 3.7v – 1000mAh - $3.19 each Length = 1.450inch Dia = 0.660inch

    Started @ Voltage 4.17 Amp draw 1.88
    05 Minutes = V 3.91 A 1.69
    10 Minutes = V 3.78 A 1.43
    15 Minutes = V 3.75 A 1.3
    20 Minutes = V 3.67 A 1.28
    25 Minutes = V 3.23 A o.58
    30 Minutes = V 2.85 A o.o6

    No8 Ultrafire – PRCR123A 3.7v – 880mAh - $2.50 each Length = 1.430inch Dia = .655inch

    Started @ Voltage 4.16 Amp draw 1.86
    05 Minutes = V 3.90 A 1.63
    10 Minutes = V 3.78 A 1.49
    15 Minutes = V 3.74 A 1.35
    20 Minutes = V 3.68 A 1.34
    25 Minutes = V 3.44 A o.90
    30 Minutes = V 2.88 A o.13

    No9 DX - RCR123A – 800mAh 3.7v - $1.64 each Length = 1.340inch Dia = .650inch

    Started @ Voltage 4.08 Amp draw 1.71
    05 Minutes = V 3.86 A 1.74
    10 Minutes = V 3.74 A 1.44
    15 Minutes = V 3.06 A o.30 and quickly dropping .

    No10 Spiderfire – PRCR123A 3.7v – 1000mAh - $4 each Length = 1.350inch Dia = .655inch

    Started @ Voltage 4.08 Amp draw 1.68
    05 Minutes = V 3.83 A 1.58
    10 Minutes = V 3.78 A 1.51
    15 Minutes = V 3.69 A 1.35
    20 Minutes = V 3.55 A 1.02
    25 Minutes = V 3.44 A o.86
    30 Minutes = V 3.32 A o.58
    35 Minutes = V 3.13 A o.33 but dropping ...

    First 5 Batts tested : [ 1 to 5 ]



    2nd set of 5 [ 6 to 10 ]






    OK did some calculations :

    Flea Bay batt pushed some : 676mA to the 30 minute mark .
    Spiderfire Pushed some : 619mA to the 30 minute mark .
    AW did some : 620mA Give or take at the end , depending on just when it became depleted .
    KD = some 545mA
    Solarforce = 544mA





    Trustfire = 513mA
    DX = 342mA
    Ultrafire No 8 = 528mA
    Ultrafire no 7 = 590mA
    Ultrafire Flea Bay No 5 = 535mA






    OK there we go : Power curves included .

    In order of Tested capacity to 30minutes = over 600mA
    1/ Generic Flea Bay [ ?? ]
    2/ AW
    3/ Spiderfire

    Over 500mA
    4/ Ultrafire No 7 [ This is the one they claim 1000mA ]
    5/ Take your pick = KD - Solarforce - Ultrafire or Trustfire , all just over 500mA

    Over 400mA

    Over 300mA
    6/ DX battery , ??? Dont know what to say ...
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    Default Re: Some RCR123A Runtimes

    i just spent 2 days trying to test my little spare ultrafire things, they are one year old, and on your device there , they would get about 5 minutes , i dont think i am going to chart them :-)

    i see your #4 has a most rescent date on it, cool, it would be interesting to see what it does in april of 2010.
    mabey they should all be marked with date like bread and meat. (use before next week)
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    Very interesting. Price seems to vary widely, while performance is closely contested.

    With the exception of #9, all these batteries were fairly comparable in your test. Unless the physical dimensions posed a problem on some of the protected cells, this result would lead one to go for the bargains (except #9).

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    Yeah , No9 did really flop big time .. I was expecting more from this batt , but there you go .

    And the big surprise was No4 . I was taken aback by its performance , esp after hearing so much negativity towards anything flea bay .

    Oh well ! I might try and work out how much was sucked out of the batts next ...

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    I cycled 8 pieces of #9 for capacity and the best was only 320mAH and the worst was 275mAH.

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    Default Re: Some RCR123A Runtimes

    Anyone with a link to the ebay seller or auction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old4570 View Post
    Oh well ! I might try and work out how much was sucked out of the batts next ...

    Using the OP's data, here's some expanded Excel info on RCR123's I own, hope it's self explanatory.




    Last edited by abvidledUK; 04-16-2009 at 08:15 PM.
    Batteries, batteries, I need more batteries ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot View Post
    Anyone with a link to the ebay seller or auction?
    They are the generic Ebay 3.7volt batts often bundled with a charger . and 1000mAh claim ...

    Mine came from here : stores.ebay.com/cwtco

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    Quote Originally Posted by old4570 View Post
    They are the generic Ebay 3.7volt batts often bundled with a charger . and 1000mAh claim ...

    Mine came from here : stores.ebay.com/cwtco
    Interesting... the size on that battery is 17335. I've never seen that before. I wonder if that extra mm of width gives them just a hair more oomph?

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    thanks for the graphs

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHart View Post
    Interesting... the size on that battery is 17335. I've never seen that before. I wonder if that extra mm of width gives them just a hair more oomph?
    Interesting how the photo in their ebay listing for that purple battery says 16340 but a 17335 was tested here. =)
    Also, from what I can see, they are selling 4 of them for 1GBP + 3GBP shipping. Equates to $1.50 a piece.

    Matt, can you tell us which ones are protected and which aren't?
    As I myself would not be using non-protected with most flashlights. =P

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    And the eBay description mentions 17mm x 33.5mm... hmmmm even though it says 16340 on the cells pictured. Had to order 4 just to see what was up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old4570 View Post
    They are the generic Ebay 3.7volt batts often bundled with a charger . and 1000mAh claim ...

    Mine came from here : stores.ebay.com/cwtco
    However, don't buy the WF CR123's sold there, there are absolute rubbish .
    Batteries, batteries, I need more batteries ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by bessiebenny View Post
    Interesting how the photo in their ebay listing for that purple battery says 16340 but a 17335 was tested here. =)
    Also, from what I can see, they are selling 4 of them for 1GBP + 3GBP shipping. Equates to $1.50 a piece.

    Matt, can you tell us which ones are protected and which aren't?
    As I myself would not be using non-protected with most flashlights. =P
    Ones quoted as PRCR123A are protected /
    Ones quoted as RCR123A are not protected /


    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by old4570 View Post
    Ones quoted as PRCR123A are protected /
    Ones quoted as RCR123A are not protected /
    Aha! Why didn't I notice that. Great stuff. Thanks. =)

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    stores.ebay.com/cwtco
    Well thanks for the info abvidledUK, but I couldn't find the 17335 size 3.7 volt batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot View Post
    stores.ebay.com/cwtco
    Well thanks for the info abvidledUK, but I couldn't find the 17335 size 3.7 volt batteries.
    Yep ! I purchased the 4batt Charger combo , and got what I got ..
    They were not the same as pictured .

    Look at the green 3volt rechargeables there [ flea bay ] , the only ones I can find that are marked 17335 ..

    For 3.7v if the pictures are current ???
    BL-ICR123A 1000mA
    LC 16350
    TR 16350
    ICR 123A
    FL 16340
    LIR123A - Dont recommend = No 9 if there what DX sells .

    Here is a clean picture in anyway :



    I found the email for the purchase : And pictured were the TR 16350 Batts + Charger ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot View Post
    stores.ebay.com/cwtco
    Well thanks for the info abvidledUK, but I couldn't find the 17335 size 3.7 volt batteries.
    It wasn't my info, credit goes to to old4570
    Batteries, batteries, I need more batteries ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by old4570 View Post


    The batteries :

    3/ Trustfire – PRCR123A 3.7v – 880mAh - $2.25 each .
    Would this happen to be sku 19627 from DX?

    If so, I did a test today on one of these cells and guesstimate these have around 570 - 600 mAh capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rose View Post
    Would this happen to be sku 19627 from DX?

    If so, I did a test today on one of these cells and guesstimate these have around 570 - 600 mAh capacity.
    Yes - No 3 = sku.19627

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    Thanks for all the work in putting these numbers together. I'm not too suprised by most of the findings except maybe that Spiderfire seemed to do as well as they did. I bought some different Spiderfire a while back that were about $1.70 ea in a 4 pack. Very cheap so I didn't expect much but they seem okay - haven't done any tests. Mine were not protected and were only claimed 880mah. Where did you get your Protected 1000mah (claimed) Spiderfire's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by matrixshaman View Post
    Where did you get your Protected 1000mah (claimed) Spiderfire's?
    Looks like eBay - search for "SpiderFire CR123A"

    You'll see them mixed in with the primaries.

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    remember kids...

    don't mix rechargeable and primaries..

    on topic.. those purple cells on DX that say 1000mah..

    absolute rubbish..
    after 1 cycle 2 out of 6 of mine died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matrixshaman View Post
    Thanks for all the work in putting these numbers together. I'm not too suprised by most of the findings except maybe that Spiderfire seemed to do as well as they did. I bought some different Spiderfire a while back that were about $1.70 ea in a 4 pack. Very cheap so I didn't expect much but they seem okay - haven't done any tests. Mine were not protected and were only claimed 880mah. Where did you get your Protected 1000mah (claimed) Spiderfire's?
    Flea Bay .. DX only has the non protected ..

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    I contacted : stores.ebay.com/cwtco

    And sent him a picture of the batt he sent me about two months ago .
    And he sais he has no more ...

    So looks like the only ones marked 17335 or the green 3 volt ones .

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    G'day old4570,

    Hey thanks for the doing the battery tests, helps us who uses rechargeables and wanting to find out which is "bang for your bucks", not literally .

    All the numbers are making my head doing the loop the loop right now.

    What is the defacto size for the 16340?

    Length = 1.350inch
    Dia = .650inch

    I have a Tiablo A9, it doesn't like the UF/TF protected greys from DX because they are too long, I have since started using Solarforce protected as they are the cheaper alternative to the AW. My UF/TF batteries have gone to my DX cheapies flashlights.

    What would you list from top to bottom as value for money protected 16340?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alohaluau View Post
    G'day old4570,

    Hey thanks for the doing the battery tests, helps us who uses rechargeables and wanting to find out which is "bang for your bucks", not literally .

    All the numbers are making my head doing the loop the loop right now.

    What is the defacto size for the 16340?

    Length = 1.350inch
    Dia = .650inch

    I have a Tiablo A9, it doesn't like the UF/TF protected greys from DX because they are too long, I have since started using Solarforce protected as they are the cheaper alternative to the AW. My UF/TF batteries have gone to my DX cheapies flashlights.

    What would you list from top to bottom as value for money protected 16340?

    Cheers,
    Luau
    There are to many things to take into consideration for me to recommend batteries . Size seems to be one such thing .
    I have a Ultrafire 602C that wont accommodate anything over .650 DIA , so recommending Spiderfires would be just wrong ..

    + Some folk only like AW's , so recommending a cheaper batt that might perform as well could be just asking for trouble .

    For length

    Spiderfire
    Solarforce
    AW

    For DIA

    AW
    Solarforce
    KD


    If price is all that matters , the Trustfires are hard to beat for value for money .

    Performance = Spiderfire / KD and AW

    The Ebay batts = I was lucky to get some good ones .


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    Quote Originally Posted by old4570 View Post
    For length

    Spiderfire
    Solarforce
    AW

    Performance = Spiderfire / KD and AW

    The Ebay batts = I was lucky to get some good ones .


    Matt
    Thanks Matt, for all that info.

    For me the protected Solarforce looks like a compromise/balance between cost and performance, may try some AW if budget permits...

    Cheers,
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    Info no longer pertinent to the thread....removed.
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    Does the positive tip of the SpiderFire cell stick out from the battery body very far? Similar to the TrustFire cell (#3)?

    The reasone I ask is that I have some lights that the AW cells will not work in because the positive tip of the AW cell does not protrude from the cell enough to contact the base of the driver.

    TrustFire cell works fine in the light but AWs don't.

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