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    Thumbs up JetBeam M1X Review (Cree MC-E): RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, and more!

    Reviewer's Note: The M1X was provided by JetBeam for review.

    Warning: very pic heavy, as always

    UPDATE Oct 23, 2009: The comparison beamshots, summary table and runtimes have been updated to reflect some of the more recent competition in this space. Scroll down for details.

    The M1X is JetBeam's attempt to produce a high-powered thrower searchlight with the new MC-E Cree emitter. This is different from a lot of manufacturers, who have typically tried to design reflector systems to emphasize the "floodier" nature of the quad-die Cree M-CE and SSC P7. A limited first batch of these were made and sold here earlier this year, but a revised final version is now in production (and reviewed here).

    Specs (from the manufacturer):
    • LED: CREE MC-E
    • Max Output: 450 Lumen (Torch Lumen) / 700 Lumen (LED Lumen)
    • Reflector: aluminum reflector
    • Lens: Toughened ultra-clear mineral glass with anti-reflective coating
    • Material: T6061 T6 aircraft aluminum alloy
    • Finish: HA III Military grade hard annodized
    • Battery: 3xCR123A, 3xRCR, 4xCR123A, 4xRCR, 2x18650 Li-ion
    • Input voltage: 6.5-18V
    • Switch: Forward clickie switch
    • Waterproof: Accord to IPX-8 standard
    • Dimension: Bezel diameter 63mm, Body/Tail diameter 25.4mm, Overall length 198mm
    • Weight: 285g
    • Output & Runtime: 3xCR123A Max Output (450 Torch Lumens) for 100 mins, Min Output (10 Torch Lumens) for 150 hours
      4xCR123A, Max Output (450 Torch Lumens) for 130 mins, Min Output (10 Torch Lumens) for 200 hours
      2x18650, Max Output (450 Torch Lumens) for 3 hours, Min Output (10 Torch Lumens) for 300 hours

    You will find detailed specs and pics on JetBeam's website



    The M1X comes in a large hard cardboard box with magnetic closing flap. Inside, in layers of cut-out foam, are the light, battery extender, instruction booklet, warranty card, extra o-rings and spare tailcap button cover.




    With battery extender in place:




    The overall shape and design is similar to other JetBeam lights, with typical JetBeam knurling and their classic natural finish type-III (hard anodized) anodizing. The lettering is very sharp and clear on my sample (better than typical for JetBeam, to be honest). The stainless steel bezel ring features mildly scalloped edges - a style I hope JetBeam continues for its other lights.

    Dimensions (no batteries installed):
    Height: 204mm (239mm with battery extender)
    Width: 25.9mm (tailcap), 22.3mm (body tube), 62.7mm (bezel)
    Weight: 275.8g (no extender), 295.8g (with battery extender)




    The M1X comes with a protruding forward clicky tailcap switch with a good feel. Seems similar to the Jet-III M. Note the all-metal construction inside (i.e. no more plastic retaining rings).

    Screw thread action is smooth on all sections, although my sample came with virtually no lube. Note the M1X lacks the square-cut screw threads of the Jet-III M. They are however anodized, so tailcap lock-out is possible. Tailstanding is not possible.



    Note the brass contact ring on the inside of the head - this presumably allows switching between max output (head tightened) and the user-defined mode (head loosened). See below for a discussion of the User Interface.

    UPDATE June 20, 2009: I've been asked whether the pill is easily accessible for an emitter swap. As you can see below, it is extremely easy to access:




    I'm actually quite impressed by the design. Unscrew the bezel retaining ring, remove the lens, remove the o-ring gasket, and the emitter/pill and reflector combo come out as one unit. You can then unscrew the emitter/pill from the reflector (there's even an o-ring on the reflector unit). Feels very well made.




    The M1X has a surprisingly deep orange peel reflector. In fact, it seems to have two distinct phases - a very steep drop-off near the reflector, and a more traditional slope in the front 2/3rd of the reflector. This unique design is presumably to maximize throw with a quad-die M-CE reflector.

    The lens has a definite anti-reflective coating - you can see the blue-tinge in the pics above and below.

    Here's how it look in my hands (FYI: I have relatively narrow and long fingers).




    Personally, I find the overall heft and dimensions of this light to be pretty good - although it is a bit top-heavy. It is not as bulky overall as my other P7/M-CE lights, and fits comfortably enough in the hand with batteries installed. Here's how it compares to the competition (with and without battery extenders in place):



    (from left to right, AW 18650 protected battery, JetBeam M1X, Tiablo ACE-G, Lumapower MVP TurboForce P7).

    Here is how the reflectors compare:



    User Interface:

    The M1X features a similar interface to the Jet-III M (and other "broad-voltage" JetBeam offerings). This makes the M1X the first continuously-variable M-CE light in my testing.

    The original IBS lights were Li-ion only and had 3 separately programmable output modes (each accessed in sequence by a soft-press of the reverse clicky tail switch). They could be set to any output along the continuously-variable range, or set to one of many SOS/strobe modes. The revised Jet-III M broad-voltage circuit was multipower (up to 15V) and has two output states - Max output (head fully tightened against the body) and one programmable output mode (head slightly loosened). Programming of the set-able mode was slightly altered to account for the new forward clicky switch (the original IBS lights were designed to work with a reverse clicky).

    The M1X uses a variant of the new broad-voltage circuit that is multipower (from 6.5V up to 18V in this case), allowing you to run 2x18650, 3xRCR/CR123A, or 4xRCR/CR123A. This differs a bit from most of the other M-CE or P7 offerings, which are typically 2x or 4xRCR/CR123A (although often without full power on 2xCR123A).

    From the head loosened position, you can access the "Brightness Setting" mode of the M1X by rapidly pressing the clicky 3 times within one second, then holding the switched half-pressed or fully click to start the output ramp (the light should be off to start, if you want to program). To select the output level you want, simply release the switch or click off when it reaches the point you want. Wait at least 2 secs for the light to memorize your setting before attempting to turn it back on.

    To access the SOS/strobe modes, flash the switch during the brightness ramp. This will advance you to "Special Functions" mode, which contains a number of SOS/strobe modes. If you flash again while in the Special Functions mode, you will advance to the Reset Function mode. This doesn't have much use now, as it was designed for the original IBS circuit where it reset all 3 programmable modes to factory defaults. Simply flash again to get back to the Brightness Setting mode.

    Note that the manual that came with my sample is rather insufficient - it is not specific for the M1X, but is a general "Military series" instruction booklet that simply explains the interface (but provides no details about the build, what battery configurations are acceptable, etc.). Worse, this booklet seems to be a hold-over from the first batch produced for the Jet-III M that mistakenly repeated the "Brightness Setting" section text under "Special Functions". I'm hoping JetBeam releases a properly configured manual to accompany the shipping lights.

    As with all JetBeam IBS lights, PWM is used for the continuously-variable modes - but at a sufficiently high frequency that I cannot detect it by eye or measure it with my setup.

    Comparison Beamshots

    Both lights are on 100% on 2x18650 AW protected Li-ion. Distance is about 0.5 meters from a white wall.






    As you can see, the M1X has a narrower spillbeam than the ACE-G, and greater throw. It also has the typical center-beam "donut" hole, like my MVP P7 (which otherwise has a spill profile closer to the ACE-G). This is quite common on quad-die lights - the shallow reflector ACE-G is the exception in minimizing its effects.

    UPDATE Oct 23, 2009: Here are some outdoor shots focused on a point ~30 feet from the lights, with some of the newer competition added. For comparison to the older lights like the M1X, please note that I have since planted a tree in my back yard.









    These pics are a bit misleading. Some of the competition fully light up my yard, which is wider than the camera's field of view, thus resulting in a dimmer appearance in the narrower view frame. On the other hand, the M1X is more focussed for throw than the other lights, so a lot of the overall output is directed to the centre-beam.

    And here are some lower exposures to better show you the hotspots:









    As you can see, the M1X has the brightest hotspot of the group. What you can't see so well is the donut hole on most of the P7/M-CE lights. But this is consistent with real life - you only really notice it when shinning on a uniform surface.


    UPDATE: Some additional long-distance beamshots, to show you how the light compares to others in its class.

    Please see my recent 100-yard Outdoor Beamshot review for more details (and additional lights).






    Time for some quantitative testing ...

    Testing Method: All my output numbers are relative for my home-made light box setup, a la Quickbeam's flashlightreviews.com method. You can directly compare all my relative output values from different reviews - i.e. an output value of "10" in one graph is the same as "10" in another. All runtimes are done under a cooling fan.

    Throw values are the square-root of lux measurements taken at 5 meters from the lens, using a light meter, and then extrapolated back to estimate values for 1 meter.

    Throw/Output Summary Chart:

    With these new breeds of high-output throwy lights, I don't believe measuring raw lux at 1 meter means a lot any more. The beams don't really have a chance to fully converge until typically several meters out, so what I've done below is taken readings at 5 meters and worked back to a calculated estimate of throw/lux at 1 meter. This will be my standard way to present throw on these types of lights from now on.

    The M1X takes a few minutes to reach its fully-regulated output level (see runtimes below). As such, all throw and output measures are taken after 2 mins of continuous runtime for all lights (2x18650 AW Protected cells).



    Ok, we have a throw winner here - the M1X rivals many of my dedicated 1x18650 throwers such as the RaidFire Spear and Tiablo A9. To put it mildly, that's *very* impressive for a quad-die M-CE light. Note again that my measures are taken from the centre of the beam - given the noticeable "donut" effect, the corona would be even brighter. JetBeam isn't kidding when they called the M1X a "searchlight"!

    UPDATE Oct 23, 2009: I have updated the table above with the results of some of the more recent tests of new lights in this space. Although some of the newer competition may have a slight edge in overall output, so far none of them outthrow the M1X. :thumsbup:

    Note that while the raw Lux numbers for the M2XC4 cool are higher than the M1X at 5m, I suspect you will find the M1X throws further in the real world (i.e. will better illuminate a target at greater distances). The smaller individual reflectors on the 3xCree M2XC4 for just can't compete with the larger focused reflector of the M1X at greater distances. The center beam doughnut of the M-CE on the M1X is likely reducing its raw Lux throw numbers at 5m, artificially making it seem like it has less throw.


    Output/Runtime Comparison



    I've only done runtimes on two output settings so far - Max and ~50% (as determined by my lightbox). Output is the same on 2x18650, 3xCR123A, and 3xRCR at all levels - the only difference is in runtime. The Li-ion battery sources are fully regulated, and the primary CR123A tests show a typical regulation pattern followed by slow decay. Runtime efficiency appears to be as expected, and I don't see any surprises in the results above.

    UPDATE May 2, 2009: Added runtimes for Max on 2x18500 (AW protected). Runtime is an impressive 1hr 8mins on these cells (rated at 1500mAh each).

    UPDATE June 8, 2009: I've just updated the graphs with 4xCR123A runtimes for all lights that support this configuration. Also included are some recent additions to the multi-emitter class that I have recently reviewed.

    UPDATE Oct 23, 2009: Runtimes for the competition on 18650 have been added.

    So how does it stack up to the competition?










    In a word - very well! (ok, that's two words ).

    UPDATE 10/23/09: Even with the newer lights shown above, the M1X remains a very good performer on Max on all battery sources. Keep in mind that the various battery configurations when comparing the graphs above (i.e. M1X is using 3x or 4xCR123A/RCR, whereas some as 2x or 4x, etc.).

    As for the ~50% output level, performance is certainly very respectable. Note that the M1X is a continuously-variable light, which will never be as efficient as a good defined multi-level current-controlled light. Despite this, you can see the M1X performs very close to the earlier MVP 3XCree on Med on 18650.


    Oh, and in case you are interested, the M1X also has the lowest possible output of any light of this class.

    Here's how the ramping sequence looks (compared to a couple of 1x18650 only lights):



    As you can see, the ramping sequence is virtually identical to the Jet-III M (which uses a similar broad-voltage IBS circuit) - it is just more than twice as bright! Like the Jet-III M, total ramp time on my sample was a little over 35 secs, which is longer than typical for a continuously-variable light. Note that the manual continues to incorrectly state the ramp is only "8 seconds" long.

    Potential Issues

    Light has the typical M-CE centre-beam "donut" effect.

    Manual is non-specific and not sufficiently detailed.

    Output ramping time remains longer than most continuously-variable lights (i.e. over 35 secs).

    You may go blind if you stare directly into the light. (just having a little fun here - there really isn't much else that I can find fault with).

    Preliminary Observations

    As you may have guessed by now, I'm impressed with this M-CE offering from JetBeam.

    The M1X hits hard on all cylinders - good solid build, minimal weight and size, smart selection of battery choices, excellent interface with continuously-variable output, and the furthest throw and one of the highest max outputs among all the members of this class that I have tested to date.

    The voltage range and selection of battery sources is particularly interesting. Although most makers have opted for a simple 1x18650 (2xCR123A/RCR) base with an extension for 2x18650 (4xCR123A/RCR), the reality is that 1x18650 or 2xCR123A/RCR is generally too underpowered for reasonable performance on these multi-emitter lights - leaving you really with only the extended size mode to play with. By forgoing the 2xCR123A/RCR size and starting from 3xCR123A/RCR, you can actually run the M1X on all battery sources reasonably well. I don't have any 18500s to test, but I imagine 2x18500 would work in the 3x base format.

    UPDATE May 2, 2009: Indeed they do - just added the runtime for 2x18500 (AW protected, 1500mAh). At 1hr 8min on these cells, they are definitely a very feasible option.

    Of course, this light may not be suited to everyone. Consistent with its "searchlight" label, it is a very strong thrower (and one with the typical M-CE centre-beam "donut"). If you are looking for a smooth flood beam, you might want to check out my recent Tiablo ACE-G review (assuming you don't mind the single output level on that light). But it's hard not to be impressed by everything the M1X has to offer.

    I think a key point here is that JetBeam is working from an established base build that has already seen a lot of the kinks worked out. They aren't re-inventing the wheel - by adapting their mature broad-voltage IBS circuit and robust Jet-III M body design, they've been able to capitalize on their previous successes. Coupled with a rather unique new reflector design and a selection of smart battery options, the M1X is a very strong contender indeed.

    I am also impressed that JetBeam has conservatively cited the lowest "torch lumens" (450 lumens) of any multi-emitter setup, despite being as bright as much of the competition. Coupled with their careful attention to detail in the build, circuit, and reflector design of this light, it seems they are clearly thinking ahead to the long-haul, and not just trying to make a quick flash in the pan. I hope this light becomes a staple of their ongoing production lines.

    Given all the M1X strengths, I would like to see some improvements in the presentation. A proper manual specific for this light needs to be developed. And the quality of components cries out for a good quality carrying case, holster, or something to help you carry this thing around. Given everything it has going for it, you are going to want to have it with you.

    UPDATE Oct 23, 2009: I have found the Stallion half-holster does a serviceable job of holding the light, but it does leave the head exposed (and feels a little wobbly). WHT_GE8 reports this similar Bianchi holster also works. For a covered holster, Ryanrpm reports that the Sunlite 16w Far Projection holster is a perfect fit.

    Bottom line, existing JetBeam fans will find much to like in this new offering. And those looking at taking the plunge into the multi-emitter flashlight space would be well advised to give this model serious consideration.

    UPDATE Oct 23, 2009: Six months later, I remain just as impressed with the M1X. Although some of the newer lights are a bit brighter on Max and potentially more efficient at lower outputs, the build quality, throw, low output level, UI and battery versatility of the M1X remain hard to beat. This light is a definite winner for JetBeam. Check out my master list of flashlight reviews for detailed reviews of some of the newer competition cited above.
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    Awesome! Thank you!!

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    How noticeable is the donut hole in this revised production version? It looks like Tiablo adjusted for it by making the reflector more shallow in the ACE-G. I had the original ACE and I would say the donut hole was quite noticeable. I've had other P7 lights where the donut hole is only slight--such as the case with my Solarforce L950M. It was said the donut hole was quite noticeable in the early production M1Xs. Hopefully they found a way to minimize it some more without compromising the throw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ace0001a View Post
    How noticeable is the donut hole in this revised production version?
    The donut hole is quite noticeable up close and at 10-30 feet (haven't had a chance to play with much further afield yet). Subjectively, I don't think it is any worse than my MVP P7. The ACE-G has indeed done a good job of minimizing it - but at the expense of thow. The M1X is clearly designed to be a throw-monster.

    I will try to do some lower exposure outdoor shots in the next couple of days.
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    Great review! Love the run-time tests. I'm a bit surprised though, I though it would run longer on high before dropping out of flat regulation. I wonder how long 4 CR123's would last.

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    Another great review. Will you be testing the TK40 anytime soon?

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    Excellent review. Many thanks.

    I have a Solarforce L950M which given its price-point (I paid $75=99), seems to be extremely good value for money. (The donut is negligible with this light)

    I'd love to see you review this or add it for comparison purposes to the competitors to the JetBeam M1X.

    Maybe you could persuade Solarforce to give you one to evaluate as they seem to be a very promising up and coming company, to me at least.

    I'd also be very interested to see the runtime and regulation for the M1X when run on 2 18500s (ie without the extender)
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    Another great review, and this light seems to have raised the bar and set a new standard as a thrower.

    Everything about it seems impressive - output, throw, regulation, run-time, build quality, UI, power versatility... all except the user manual, lol (although that's surely something JB will attend to).

    The reflector design is a very interesting feature, and looking at the stopped-down comparison shot at 1/1600 sec, the die pattern is clearly seen, so it is clearly a high-quality item. I doubt the donut/pattern will be noticeable in real use.

    Your 2x18500 idea will appeal to those who want to use the shorter body (~1 hour at full power?)

    Judging by its throw, I'm half-surprised you didn't post this in the Spotlights section, lol. Anyway, I'm moving it to the Reviews section now. It's going to receive a lot of interest.
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    Excellent review ... as usual .

    It looks like that Jetbeam hasn´t modified the outside only. Your runtime measurement at max power with ~1:30h is noticeably shorter than the 2:15h I got from my Gen.1 M1X. Maybe they cranked up the current a bit on the second batch ...

    Just to very that: I used blue Trustfire 2.500mAh (~2250mAh real) ... what 18650 are you using for the test?

    With 2x fresh 18650 the battery current (bypassed tailcap) was about 0.9A ... peak current was 1.05A at 6.8V, below this voltage my M1X Gen.1 starts dimming (=direct drive).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Great review! Love the run-time tests. I'm a bit surprised though, I though it would run longer on high before dropping out of flat regulation. I wonder how long 4 CR123's would last.
    I presume you are referring to the 3xCr123A tests? Yes, I suppose they could have lasted a little longer there. You'll note the ~50% run also seems slightly shorter than expected compared to the 4xCR123A on Med on the MVP 3xCree. My guess is the M1X is optimized for Li-ion - the 18650 runs are outstanding for a continuously-variable light (and the CR123A is still quite good).

    I would do 4xCR123A tests, but I'm feeling a little broke here - I use only Duracell or Surefire batteries in all my testing (which cost me at least $3 CDN a cell locally). Given all the M-CE lights I have coming in, I'm looking into comparing with Tenergy or Titanium batts, since I can get them at less than half the cost of the Duracells or Surefire. We'll see ... I'll keep you posted of my experience with the cheaper cells.

    Quote Originally Posted by frosty View Post
    Another great review. Will you be testing the TK40 anytime soon?
    Neither Fenix nor any of their dealers has offered to send me one ...

    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    I'd love to see you review this or add it for comparison purposes to the competitors to the JetBeam M1X. Maybe you could persuade Solarforce to give you one to evaluate as they seem to be a very promising up and coming company, to me at least.
    Good point ... I suppose it doesn't hurt to ask. FYI, I will be testing the Olight and Eagletac offerings when they are ready, and I have a DBS M-CE pill with the new reflector on its way to me as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by DM51 View Post
    The reflector design is a very interesting feature, and looking at the stopped-down comparison shot at 1/1600 sec, the die pattern is clearly seen, so it is clearly a high-quality item. I doubt the donut/pattern will be noticeable in real use.
    Your 2x18500 idea will appeal to those who want to use the shorter body (~1 hour at full power?)
    Thanks David ... unfortunately, I don't have any 18500s to test. But I imagine you could extrapolate down from my 18650 runs based on rated capacity of the cells. AW 18500s are 1500mAh vs 2200mAh for the 18650s - so I would except ~2/3rds of the runtime shown here (i.e. your 1hr estimate sounds pretty good).

    As for the donut, I agree with your assessment - the reflector was likely explicitly designed for its throw capabilities. Honestly, I didn't find the donut to be so bad, which is why I didn't discuss it much in my review. It is no worse than my MVP P7, which doesn't throw as far. And it is certainly better than my old Surefire L2 with LuxV ... not that has a donut!

    Quote Originally Posted by rantanplan View Post
    It looks like that Jetbeam hasn´t modified the outside only. Your runtime measurement at max power with ~1:30h is noticeably shorter than the 2:15h I got from my Gen.1 M1X. Maybe they cranked up the current a bit on the second batch ...

    Just to very that: I used blue Trustfire 2.500mAh (~2250mAh real) ... what 18650 are you using for the test?
    Good observation - based on earlier beamshot pics of the first batch, I wasn't expecting the M1X to be this bright. They must have increased the drive current, since this is the brightest M-CE in my collection to date. That may also explain their low-ball "torch lumen" estimate of 450 ... it may be referring to the original circuit design.

    FYI, I use only AW protected cells in my testing (rated at 2200mAh).
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    Oh.. Wow.. 23,625 lux with MCE

    Thanks for your great review as always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Good observation - based on earlier beamshot pics of the first batch, I wasn't expecting the M1X to be this bright. They must have increased the drive current, since this is the brightest M-CE in my collection to date. That may also explain their low-ball "torch lumen" estimate of 450 ... it may be referring to the original circuit design.
    I have also measured a bit on the M1X, but mine is a first generation. With a ceiling bounce I get the following:
    TK40: 100%
    M1X: 69%
    MVP: 63%

    The difference between M1X and MVP is smaller than you measurement, but not much. I.e. they might have increased the output, but only a little (This conclusion assumes that yours and mine MVP has the same output).

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    Excellent review, as usual ! Thank you very much Selfbuilt.
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    Nice job, great review as always.

    Thanks!

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    This is excellent!!

    Thanks a lot.

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    waiting for 2x18500 runtime.

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    Great review as usual! Now, tell me why I sold mine? Forgot how great this one was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    I have also measured a bit on the M1X, but mine is a first generation. With a ceiling bounce I get the following:
    TK40: 100%
    M1X: 69%
    MVP: 63%

    The difference between M1X and MVP is smaller than you measurement, but not much. I.e. they might have increased the output, but only a little (This conclusion assumes that yours and mine MVP has the same output).
    Thanks for the numbers HKJ. Of course, it is hard to know how our MVPs compare, but it is interesting that they don't seem to have greatly increased the M1X's output. And very interesting that the TK40 outputs that much more.

    In my comments, I was thinking more of the ACE vs first batch M1X beamshots I remember seeing around here (the ACE seemed to have much brighter spill than the M1X). But my ACE-G has a completely redesigned reflector, and I'm comparing to the new M1X, so it's really hard to know who has changed what exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dioni View Post
    waiting for 2x18500 runtime.
    I think DM51's "guestimate" is pretty good. Based on the rated capacities of AW's batteries, I think ~1hr on max is likely.

    But I may pick up some 18500s from AW just because I like running it on the smaller form factor without the extension tube ... we'll see.
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    Default Re: JetBeam M1X Review (Cree M-CE): RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, and more!

    Fantastic review on one of my favorite brands of light! There's literally nothing that I don't like about this light. The runtime on high was short but that seems to be consistent with its amazing output.

    Thanks for the hard work Selfbuilt!

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    Thank you, SelfBuilt !


    Once again, a fine review. And photographs !





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    I agree with your measurement of light at 5 meters distance.
    But when you calculated back to 1 meter, is the value still accurate and reliable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TodToh View Post
    I agree with your measurement of light at 5 meters distance.
    But when you calculated back to 1 meter, is the value still accurate and reliable?
    I see what you asking - although I don't know if the word "accurate" has a lot of meaning when discussing 1m readings on strong throwers to begin with. Yes, a certain value can be obtained, but how well this compares to the true "throw" of a light is dubious for a strong thrower. Most of the data I've seen from others with more sophisticated equipment is that at least 3-5m is required to get the beams on these lights to coalesce to full focus.

    In this case, yes, the calculated result is fairly consistent with the actual 1m lux reading I've taken (which comes up as ~23K lux - its hard to be more precise because of the beam variation around the donut). But even if these numbers differed, I would still greatly trust the computed value over the actual 1m value as more representative of beam throw. This is what I'm going to stick with from now on for heavy thrower comparisons.
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    Thank you.
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    Default Re: JetBeam M1X Review (Cree M-CE): RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, and more!

    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    I think DM51's "guestimate" is pretty good. Based on the rated capacities of AW's batteries, I think ~1hr on max is likely.

    But I may pick up some 18500s from AW just because I like running it on the smaller form factor without the extension tube ... we'll see.
    No problem. I think so too, 1hr on max. It's a good runtime for standard body [without extension tube]. For me, it is the big advantage this body: Can use 2x18500 that tranforms the light in a more usual size.
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    Default Re: JetBeam M1X Review (Cree M-CE): RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, and more!

    Thank you for the review and comparison with the new ACE-G!! We need more of these!

    Can you get us some more outdoor beamshots of those two? Say at 100-200 yards?
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    nice job
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    Default Re: JetBeam M1X Review (Cree M-CE): RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, and more!

    thanks for taking the time for this review

    very nice pics aswell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryanrpm View Post
    Can you get us some more outdoor beamshots of those two? Say at 100-200 yards?
    That's a little harder to do, since I would have to shine it through my neighbors houses to get to that distance. I may try to take all the lights to a park to do longer distance beamshots, but I'd rather wait until I have more samples on hand. No promises ...

    In the meantime, here are some lower exposure shots to show you the hotspots (added to the first post as well).







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    Nice review!

    The M1X is the brightest of them all, nicely rated at 450 lumens. I'm gonna put it in my "next one" list.

    Does anyone knows which is brighter between the ACE, M1X and the TK40?


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