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    So I'm working last night and get dispatched to an alarm call -- way out of the city and in a somewhat remote area -- it's an old building on a huge property with other derelict buildings on site. "Front office motion" is what we get on our screens.

    The rookie on our shift (a great guy by the way!) comes to assist me. It's quite dark and we are using our lights to illuminate around the huge property and buildings. By now the alarm has shut off, so we are checking for any evidence of anyone hiding around on site, or looking for signs of entry. I'm using a Surefire 6P with Malkoff M60, powered by two AW16340's (17670 in a pocket as backup). He's using a Scorpion LED. I illuminate a deer bounding away just adjacent to one of the buildings from about 200ft away.

    Alarm turns out to be false, as we are lighting our way up the path back to where we parked our cruisers, the rookie turns to me and says

    "Man! That light of yours is bright, tell me where you got it, I'm going to buy one!"

    So, I explain to him the cost, drop in, etc... he kind of gets discouraged and says

    "well, I need something brighter than this POS anyway! It used to be bright, but now it sucks!"

    I tell him I"m surprised because my S/O has a Scorpion LED and it's quite bright with decent throw (his is a dismal 15 lumens maybe).

    Then it dawns on me...

    "bro, you bought that light when you started at the college right?" (which would be about 8 months ago).

    "Yeah."

    "When did you change the batteries last?"

    "Well, I didn't. They are the same ones that came with my light. They cost about $15 for 2!"

    "Bro, get new batteries."

    "Oh. Uh... oh."

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    Default Re: LEO forgets about batteries...

    OOPS

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    Default Re: LEO forgets about batteries...

    You might be so kind as to point him to Surefire's site and their CR123A cells. They are much cheaper than $7.50 per cell!
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    $15 for two?

    Even by drug store standards, he got ripped off. Let the poor bastard know of a couple of places he can go online to get cells... Cause you know he'll eventually discover cheap @$$, made in China, cells; on eBay.
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    Well, for giving me such a good laugh, he's getting a free pair of fresh battery station (USA) cells today.

    And I've already pointed him to a few retailers that sell them for for about $3-4/ea. (Keep in mind folks, I'm talking Canadian prices here).

    I've also told him next time I stock up, I'll let him know and he can go in on a bulk buy online. He's not an "online" type of fellow.
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    Default Re: LEO forgets about batteries...

    Very nice of you to "hook him up." I'm sure he'll be excited to have a good working light again.

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    $15 over 8 months tho... lol

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    hah good story, poor guy.

    he will probably always remembered of this mistake. rookie mistakes get memorized. and brought up periodically by others

    but i sure hope he takes better care and attention of other equipment he has. forgetting to reload the gun after shooting at the track might come back to haunt one when SHTF. it might be your life that is in the balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NonSenCe View Post
    hah good story, poor guy.

    he will probably always remembered of this mistake. rookie mistakes get memorized. and brought up periodically by others

    but i sure hope he takes better care and attention of other equipment he has. forgetting to reload the gun after shooting at the track might come back to haunt one when SHTF. it might be your life that is in the balance.
    Oh, in this situation it wasn't so much a life/death incident -- more of a comedic one. But I have long preached how it could be a different story if your light suddenly "dies".
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    Default Re: LEO forgets about batteries...

    I guy who started college 8 months ago (placing his age, what, early 20s?) who isnt into to "online" stuff?

    i didnt know such a person existed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crenshaw View Post
    I guy who started college 8 months ago (placing his age, what, early 20s?) who isnt into to "online" stuff?

    i didnt know such a person existed!

    Crenshaw

    Police college, and he's actually in his mid 40's, with 3 kids. So he's not the average starting age for this career, but he was determined!
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    Default Re: LEO forgets about batteries...

    Funny story, Foxtrot. Thank goodness his batteries didn't quit when he really needed them.

    I've been picking Surefire 123s at our local Lowe's for about $5/pair. I don't know if Lowe's operates in Canada but if they do it's worth a look.

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    Default Re: LEO forgets about batteries...

    to Foxtrot29 --


    Cool story. Thank you for sharing.



    Best of Luck (and health) to you, and to your rookie partner.


    Stay Safe out there.

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    Default Re: LEO forgets about batteries...

    It's sad we don't go through more low light training. It's pretty common knowledge most Police involved shootings occur in low light to no light. Yet most training happens during the day.

    Luckily our academy in Tennessee does a lot of low light scenarios. Flashlights still aren't covered though.

    With that said, whether it's Dept. training, or academy training, LEOs should get some flashlight training.


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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot29 View Post
    Police college, and he's actually in his mid 40's, with 3 kids. So he's not the average starting age for this career, but he was determined!
    Ahh, okay that makes sense then...

    maybe you should persuade your department to get some low level light training from sure fire...

    comes with a free G2Z combatlight i believe..

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    Default Re: LEO forgets about batteries...

    foxtrot29, great story. Thanks for sharing.
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    Default Re: LEO forgets about batteries...

    Ok, so he now knows he requires back up batteries...now you need to educate him in obtaining a back up light!
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    $15 for 2?
    I thought they are CAD $19.99 for 2.
    http://www.thesource.ca/estore/Produ...roduct=2300255
    It is actually not funny. I never bought any CR123A lights because of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crenshaw View Post
    Ahh, okay that makes sense then...

    maybe you should persuade your department to get some low level light training from sure fire...

    comes with a free G2Z combatlight i believe..

    Crenshaw
    We actually get a decent amount of low light training, and IRD (immediate rapid deployment) training. In fact, it's part of annual re-qualification for firearms.
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    Default Re: LEO forgets about batteries...

    Do you guys use anything to check the primary 123's so you know if they need replaced? Other then the light getting dim that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJay03 View Post
    Do you guys use anything to check the primary 123's so you know if they need replaced? Other then the light getting dim that is.
    I replace them under two circumstances:

    A: When I notice them dimming or moon mode kicks in. I don't have any lights that just quit working so I'm always safe.

    B: I'm going to clear a building or something and know the batteries are pretty old so I just pop a new set in.

    I always make sure I've got a fresh set going into more tactical situations. If I was just working a football game or something simple like traffic stops, I would look for it to dim before I worried.


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    That is one of the advantages of using 18650's over CR123s. If you have partially depleted CR123's, all you can do is replace them. If you are using 18650s (or 17670's), then you can "top them off," ensuring that you always have a full charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Search View Post
    B: I'm going to clear a building or something and know the batteries are pretty old so I just pop a new set in.
    That ought to be drilled into the head of any officer using primaries. Batteries are cheap.

    Both departments I worked for, one municipal PD, one state agency, initially issued large rechargeables. Magcharger and SL-20 respectively. Each during the course of my employment switch to the rechargeable Stinger. Always nice to stick in a charging cradle when not needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    That is one of the advantages of using 18650's over CR123s. If you have partially depleted CR123's, all you can do is replace them. If you are using 18650s (or 17670's), then you can "top them off," ensuring that you always have a full charge.

    I agree, which is why I always use rechargeables. I always top those suckers off! I do carry some CR123's as backup up in my duty bag, along with a 17670 as a backup also... (plus two extra duty lights -- a Streamlight Strion which I make sure is always charged, and my issued duty light -- which I never use for anything, it's a Pelican M10).
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    Great story!
    It's sad that so many stores overcharge for CR123s. I was at Ace Hardware the other day and they wanted $9.95 for one Duracell CR123!

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    I hate the idea of using primaries. With good rechargeables and good chargers you can have a hassle free experience with your batteries. I like to have fresh batteries and a spare fully charged set - you never mind swapping them over because there is virtually no cost to recharging your half used cells.

    I have so many rechargeable Li-ion batteries it isn't funny. I'll try a quick list:
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    IMR 18650 x 8 in my Elephant II body

    . . . and then there are my NiMH rechargeables . . .
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    Default Re: LEO forgets about batteries...

    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot29 View Post
    So I'm working last night and ... using a Surefire 6P with Malkoff M60, powered by two AW16340's ... He's using a Scorpion LED.
    I don't think new batteries would make any difference if hes trying to compare to yours

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illum View Post
    I don't think new batteries would make any difference if hes trying to compare to yours
    haha, yes, this is true. But a Scorpion LED still has a nice deep reflector and some nice throw. Better than what he was pumping out with his dead batteries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot29 View Post
    Well, for giving me such a good laugh, he's getting a free pair of fresh battery station (USA) cells today.

    And I've already pointed him to a few retailers that sell them for for about $3-4/ea. (Keep in mind folks, I'm talking Canadian prices here).

    I've also told him next time I stock up, I'll let him know and he can go in on a bulk buy online. He's not an "online" type of fellow.
    Some Police supply stores can have the deals on 12 packs of Streamlight and or Surefire CR123. Chances are he got his Streamlight at such a store?.

    You could also look into helping him get a good rechargeable setup which uses say 18650 or such. Where he can recharge after fair bit of use versus waiting until the CR123's are pretty weak or even 50% before changing.

    Quote Originally Posted by LEDninja View Post
    $15 for 2?
    I thought they are CAD $19.99 for 2.
    http://www.thesource.ca/estore/Produ...roduct=2300255
    It is actually not funny. I never bought any CR123A lights because of that.
    More like say $13 for Energizer CR123
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    I think this is the reason why surefire rates their lights runtime to the death...because before we learned of what "regulation" is, 90% of the time our lights functioned with dying batteries on the direct drive mode [this is pre-CPF, aka unenlightened times].

    Unless the scorpion ran out of juice completely, one would have no knowledge of this dimming issue if you hadn't pulled your 6P Malkoff and gave him that reference to compare to

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