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    Default D36 LED Drop - In modules - Red & Green DD available (For Surefire, Pila, Wolf Eyes)

    Hi All

    Here we have the long awaited D36 drop in modules for SF products and most flashlights that accept 36mm modules.
    M series Surefire©
    Pila© GL4
    Wolf-Eyes©
    9M, M90 products

    NOW FITS Lumens Factory Seraph turbo heads.


    -Unique Reflector Design
    -Precision Machined Aluminum Reflector
    -High Temperature Resistant Mirror Finished Coating
    -All Modules are Pre-Focused for the Ultimate Spot (no doughnut holes)
    -Compatible with all Flashlights with D36 Sized Reflector Modules
    -New models that work with lumens factory turbo heads.



    I will offer most of what leds that I have in my D26 modules thread.

    These are 36mm and fit an M3 with the only adjustment being to drop them in and reinstall the Shock foam and rings. I have found that if you drop the module in and set the shock foam on top of the reflector and replace the two other rings as they came out and finish it with the poly flat washer that fits under the lens that the shock foam holds the module in place firmly and the bezel still screws in with out problem. I actually like the foam sitting on top of the reflector because this reflector has a lip built on the top of it that sits on the lower lip in the M3 head. This also gives a wider ledge for the foam to sit on top of. When sitting the foam on top of the reflector this then allows contact of the lip on the reflector to mesh and sit on top of lip in the M3 and hopefully pass a small amount of heat to the head.
    This reflector is of substantial metal to help absorb heat.
    I had no contact problem in a M3 when putting the module and light back together this way.
    When installed the light turned on with no other adjustments to it and the module is firmly seated in the head.


    Here are some pictures.


    Reflector lip is clearly visible, this sits on bottom lip of head of M3


    Emitter Side



    Bottom side of module



    Warm White MC-E beam shot


    As mentioned above I will offer by order basically any led I offered in my D26 thread HERE There will be some limitations depending on battery configuration.


    For 6 volt applications some levels will be offered depending on needed amperage of drivers.

    For higher voltage applications at this time it is one level modules only.

    Even though module costs were higher I am trying to hold costs to the same in most cases. In a couple leds they may increase slightly.


    I will add to the list as I add new modules but here are a few offered. If you don't see something you would like please ask and I will build it up for you.
    I keep most common leds offered in stock and most are offered in multiple bins.

    D36 modules NOW IN SMOOTH OR MOP Smooth only available with whole modules. Reflectors only not available yet.


    MC-E - MOP reflector 1 level modules 7.2 - 14volts
    available in Cool White Mbin WG tint. Also offered in JE6 Warm White 4200K and Neutral white KA1 4900K

    $65 shipped Conus

    XP-E or XRE - MOP reflectors - 1 level module 3.6 - 18volts or 3 level (high , low , strobe) 3.6 - 8.4 volts
    Offered in R2 bin WD tint. Also offered in AE5 warm white and Q3 5B neutral white.
    $35 Shipped Conus

    XPG - Smooth or OP reflectors / available in 1.4 amp 3 levels 3.6-6 volts / 1 level 3.6-18 volts @1.4 amps
    R5 - cool white
    R4 - daylight white 5000k
    R2- neutral white 4000k
    Q5 - warm white 3000k
    $45 shipping included conus





    More will be added later if not seen please ask.

    HERE ARE NEW FIVE MEGA HOSTS THAT WORK GREAT
    these are five mega products and extend run times and offer a great hosts for these great D36 modules.

    They are offered
    here



    Paypal information is in bio CC is 4%
    Please post what you are ordering and CPF name in PP comments so I know what is what and who is who

    Please post or PM for requests

    Thanks

    Dave



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    Here are some pictures of how they fit in a Surefire M3 head.


    All the pieces and putting the drop in the head which seats all the way down with
    nothing between it and the head.



    CAREFULLY put the shock foam back in place allowing it to rest on the top of
    the reflector. This shows the foam in place which is even with the inside of the
    reflector but not protruding in.


    The hold down ring is next and it lip fits over the shock foam holding it in place.
    Next is the rubber O-Ring with the outer lip facing up.


    Poly O-ring is next followed by a shot of air to rid the drop in of dust and contaminates.


    Glass & Bezel are the last pieces and a final completed shot of the top


    Completed shot of the bottom, you can see that the reflector makes
    contact with the head, it actually sits on a ledge inside the light that supports it and passes some heat.


    I did some tests last night and they showed that this is much more light than a D26 and a 6P. I put an MC-E in the light and was again amazed at how much further it throws than the 26mm reflector. I was also pleased that after 20 minutes run time the light head was quite warm but not unpleasant as a lesser light would be. The heat had migrated to the body so there is some thermal transfer between the reflector and the head.

    After a long wait I think it is a good module and fits quite well.

    I hope that may help some folks. Putting it together is easier than getting it apart. I had to boil mine.

    Dave


    THESE DO NOT FIT LUMENS FACTORY HEADS. These are M style diameter heads and LF uses C style diameter heads

    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _____


    Hi All
    Here are some Chinese Clone M3 heads, they are identical to the SF product except the ano may be just a shade darker
    Everything else is the same and all bezel rings you may have already will fit whether they are from RPM or Netkidz.

    When you want to use your incandescent just switch to your unaltered original head. These heads will fit any M style body (m3,M4,M6, Five Mega M6 body)

    Why risk scratching your SF head to modify it, I will install any module you buy here in one of the cloned heads for
    $50 shipped CONUS.


    Thanks

    Dave



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    Dave,
    Pardon my ignorance. I did do a search before asking.
    Neutral MC-E...what does the 01 after the K stand for, and do you have a specific bin code for chromacity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen View Post
    Dave,
    Pardon my ignorance. I did do a search before asking.
    Neutral MC-E...what does the 01 after the K stand for, and do you have a specific bin code for chromacity?
    No ignorance the binning of these are tough. Unless you order from a sales person everytime and they are not too keen on calling them for single emitter orders you have to order by kit number with Cree. DO1 and all D's are Q5s, E's are R2 and such and then you get into Chromacity and tints. It is very hard unless buying multiples or buying from someone who buys multiples to get a specific tint.
    I have started buying in bulk to achieve this but small orders still go by kit number and that is one of them.

    Those are actually KA1 as for the exact tint I don't know but I put that one in stock for it neutral characteristics. If you look and find KA1 which I mistyped as the kit number KO1 you will find it is a 4900K pure white led. It is just about pure white no blue or green just white @4900k just about middle of the road.

    Sorry for the long answer but I wanted to explain why you don't always see the tint.
    Again it is pure white tint 4900K

    Thanks

    Dave

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    David,

    They are finally here. I been holding off on getting the LumensFactory bezel waiting for you to finalize these. Good to see you got it going.


    Did you have a chance to test these with the secret tool from MrG?
    Surefire 6P with Malkoff M60 simple, bright, efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    David,

    They are finally here. I been holding off on getting the LumensFactory bezel waiting for you to finalize these. Good to see you got it going.


    Not here yet

    dave

    Did you have a chance to test these with the secret tool from MrG?

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    Will these work in the WE M90 without modification?

    Is the beam pattern tilted toward throw or flood? I'm looking for something with a wider beam than LF modules.
    The Phaser: A nice EDC with great throw; heat and runtime can be issues.

    Best Diffusion Film!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaserburn View Post
    Will these work in the WE M90 without modification?

    Is the beam pattern tilted toward throw or flood? I'm looking for something with a wider beam than LF modules.

    Hi

    Yes these should work in that light. The MC-E is nice mix of throw an flood, as my LF for test has not made it I don't know what to tell you is comparison. I can adjust these for more flood than usual but I still don't know if it is enough for your preference but he MC-E can be adjusted fairly wide.

    Thanks

    Dave

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    Varooj your D36 P7 module is packed and ready to ship in the AM

    Thank you

    Dave

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    Default Re: D36 Drop - In modules are finally here

    Will you be getting any smooth D36 reflectors in?
    They would be just the ticket for some serious XP-E throw while still having OK spill.

    Also will you be using the excellent Milky cans on these?
    Last edited by Sgt. LED; 06-24-2009 at 05:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt. LED View Post
    Will you be getting any smooth D36 reflectors in?
    They would be just the ticket for some serious XP-E throw while still having OK spill.

    Also will you be using the excellent Milky cans on these?
    Hi Sgt.

    At this time I will not have smooth, if these were to have enough demand I would consider it. These are not stock items anywhere that I have found and took a fairly stiff number to get them made. I will see how it goes.
    These are more LOP than MOP reflectors.

    It would be nice if the HD cans of Scott's would work but they have different threads and the dimensions are a bit off. His cans are pretty much made for Aleph light engines and work great for them. Also Aleph LE's use .55 drivers which as we all know will limit choices as to drivers.

    I do have his cans in stock for LE's

    Thanks for inquiring if I can anwer anything else give me a shout.

    Thanks

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by nailbender View Post
    Sorry for the long answer but I wanted to explain why you don't always see the tint.
    Again it is pure white tint 4900K
    Long answer is good. I've been thinking about what I want the light to do, and this one will probably need more throw, less heat, and longer runtime than the MC-E would give me.
    I realize you don't have them ready to go, but would like a neutral or warm K2 TFFC or neutral Diamond Dragon(whichever is closest to a 5A or 5B tint) single mode at 1.5A.
    Please let me know the paypal address, and total cost.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen View Post
    Long answer is good. I've been thinking about what I want the light to do, and this one will probably need more throw, less heat, and longer runtime than the MC-E would give me.
    I realize you don't have them ready to go, but would like a neutral or warm K2 TFFC or neutral Diamond Dragon(whichever is closest to a 5A or 5B tint) single mode at 1.5A.
    Please let me know the paypal address, and total cost.
    Thanks.
    Hi Owen

    I have a 5B here I have not hooked up, I will hook it up tomorrow and compare them. The warm K2 is buttery color it is warm but I have a neutral K2 I will make up tomorrow and compare.
    I will post or PM tomorrow.

    Even if i don't have them listed yet I will build up what ever you need.

    Thanks

    Dave

    Thanks Owen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen View Post
    Long answer is good. I've been thinking about what I want the light to do, and this one will probably need more throw, less heat, and longer runtime than the MC-E would give me.
    I realize you don't have them ready to go, but would like a neutral or warm K2 TFFC or neutral Diamond Dragon(whichever is closest to a 5A or 5B tint) single mode at 1.5A.
    Please let me know the paypal address, and total cost.
    Thanks.
    Hi Owen

    OK I have done some testing and geeze that is a tough one. The 5B is a great color and it is somewhat close to the warm K2 but the 5B has just a tint of rose to it but just a touch, the cool K2 and the diamond dragon are cool whites and just that white no tint.
    I have a warm XPE that is close but a bit rosier, now all are very close in lumens, that is taking the cool whites out that are always more lumens.

    My suggestion is if you like the 5b XRE go ahead get it. The tint is great and the beam looks right good in this reflector.
    Of course it is your decision.

    Let me know if I can answer anything else.

    Dave

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    I love the 5B tint, but that emitter is only spec'd for up to 700mA, if I recall correctly. I wouldn't want to feed that 1.5A. This light may see more than just short runs.
    Your original post for the P60 modules states that you have neutral DD and K2 emitters(giving 325+ emitter lumens!), but now you're calling them cool. Do you have neutrals, or not?
    If not, I'll take a warm K2.
    If so, I'll take a neutral DD.
    Please let me know which you have, and where to send payment.
    Thanks.

    That DD is kind of intriguing from what I saw in the other thread, having such a nice beam even from a SMO reflector, but tint will be more important to me on this light.

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    Hi Owen

    Well let me change my phrase since it is Osram, I have ultra white, 6500k which with most companies puts it right on the neutral, cool white border as there is usually about 3500k difference between classifications, now i called this one neutral because it is more white as blueish. My bad I will change to ultra white as per Manufacturer specs.
    If you are looking for any yellowish or buttery look to your led then that is not the led you want it is pure white.

    It is hard for me to deal with 4 or 5 manufacturers and get my phrases to please all so I try to use common terms.
    when we are talking about 5B are we talking q4 5b or q3 5b one is definitely warmer than the other. It can be a bit tricky so I will use the proper terms and it is ultra white but is the tint closest to be called white as Osram term them.

    As for the XRE and 700 ma the XRE are now commonly push well beyond 700ma. Several of the flashlight companies are now running them stock @1.2. I use a 1050ma driver with no tint shift to the eye.

    Sorry for the confusion I will change to ultra white.

    Dave

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    Thanks for all your trouble, Dave. PayPal has been sent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen View Post
    Thanks for all your trouble, Dave. PayPal has been sent.
    It is not a bit of trouble Owen glad to help.

    Will ship tomorrow

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen View Post
    Thanks for all your trouble, Dave. PayPal has been sent.

    Hi Owen

    Your K2 module shipped today.

    Dave

    I have added some new pictures that shows how the module fits into a M3 head and how it goes back together. Hopefully this will make it a bit easier although getting the bezel off is much harder than the rest.

    Thanks

    dave

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    Dave:

    Paypal sent for 2 MC-E's.

    Thanks,
    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlowe View Post
    Dave:

    Paypal sent for 2 MC-E's.

    Thanks,
    Richard
    Hi Richard

    Your two Mbin Wg tint one level MC-E modules shipped this am.

    Thanks

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by nailbender View Post
    Hi Owen

    Your K2 module shipped today.

    Dave
    Got it already. You are REALLY fast!
    I had typed up a rather long reply that got canned when the updated browser I just downloaded decided to close on its own

    Real quick.
    I got the D36 with warm K2, single mode 1.4A
    -pulls about 890mA from 2x18500
    -Easy to install in my Z46(M3 bezel).
    -Makes good contact with the head-gets warm quickly.
    -The beam is magnificent. No kidding.
    No rings, no imperfections, very bright spill, huge corona-absolutely gorgeous beam. Unfortunate that I bought it for a "thrower", but this is one of the best looking beams I've ever seen from a flashlight.
    -Much warmer than my one cool Cree, though not rendering colors like a 5A/5B Cree. It's in between. Actually quite neutral, and very "white".
    -Based on ceiling bounce, this K2/D36 is not putting out more light than my Malkoff M60W in spite of pulling 1.6 times the current. This is using my eyeballs for a meter. The tint difference may be an influence.
    However, the actual hotpsot is also smaller and less intense.
    A little disappointed, there, since the M60W is specifically what I was hoping to significantly "beat" in terms of output and throw.

    Looking forward to trying it out at work tonight. Seems like it should be very well suited for what I use a light for there. If so, I'll get a Seraph 36mm head for my old Z3, and this can be my new work light.
    Then I'll have an excuse to try again with some other awesome new thing for the M3

    Thanks, Dave. This may not fit the particular purpose I bought it for, but it's still awesome, and will see a lot of use one way or another. I only keep a handful of users, and this one isn't going anywhere.

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    Hi Owen

    I was very impressed with the beam quality with the K2 and these reflectors. K2TFFC because of the die they use is tough to get a good beam but this one just fell in there. I have been having to sputter the D26 reflectors to make a heavier mop so that the beam would shape up but not with these.

    Do me a favor and if you have three RCR 123 plug them in and I think that you will see quite a difference. I was using an M3 with 3 RCR123 in it and it pulled 1.44 @ the tail. That should give you almost 30% more light if you have that config.

    I just did some tests and pushed @ that amperage with the K2TFFC I was getting about 275 lumen out the end which is really good and which is about 25 lumen more than an R2 @1amp from a name brand.

    Thanks Owen

    Dave

    I think if you add that 3 cell and get the juice up to around 12volts you will see a big difference.

    I have a new tool that I just received today that very accurately measures lumens and during the next few days I will be working to fine tune some of the drops.

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    This pulls 600mA on 3xR123, similar wattage to 2x18500@890mA.
    1.44A from 3 Li-ions would be a tremendous amount of current.

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    Hi!
    I want to buy D36 warm white MC-E 000JE6 3500K 1xLi-ion/2xCR123A module. Is it possible? If so, give me your PP address and total price including shipping to Russian Federation with USPS First-Class Mail International. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by minion View Post
    Hi!
    I want to buy D36 warm white MC-E 000JE6 3500K 1xLi-ion/2xCR123A module. Is it possible? If so, give me your PP address and total price including shipping to Russian Federation with USPS First-Class Mail International. Thanks!
    Hi minion

    PM sent with answers to questions

    Thanks

    Dave

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    for D36 warm white MC-E drop in

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    Quote Originally Posted by minion View Post
    for D36 warm white MC-E drop in
    Hi Minion

    I will get one warm MCE D36 module for one Li Ion or 2X cr123A ready for shipping

    Thanks

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by minion View Post
    for D36 warm white MC-E drop in

    Hi Minion

    Your warm MC-E shipped today.

    Thanks
    Dave


    Bill I just did get Digikey's order today your GD+ will ship in AM

    Thanks for your patience

    Dave

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    Default Re: D36 Drop - In modules are finally here

    How much current would an MCE D36 be getting?
    The Phaser: A nice EDC with great throw; heat and runtime can be issues.

    Best Diffusion Film!

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