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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken J. Good View Post

    Abyss D has a diffusion reflector -> For Photo (color temp is 5500k - a bit blue in color , good quality for photography)

    Abyss S has a orange peel spot reflector -> fishing or cave explore , Etc...(color temp is 4300k - for longer distances)

    WOW! Polarion made a 5500K light! Interesting. I probably would have opted for something closer to 5000-5200K but so be it.



    EDIT: Answered my own question now that I rested and read again with a fresh mind.

    Thanks Ken.
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    Thanks for the info, Ken. It is good to know there will be 2 flavors - should suit all tastes.
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    So I wonder if the Orange Peel Spot with the diffusion filter (currently available for the other Polarion lights) will "equal" the Diffesion reflector version.

    the color temps will be different but I wonder how much difference it will make when underwater since the clarity of the water and such will need to play a part in the success of your photography etc.
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    Nice to hear that the OP is an option. We'll look forward to this light becoming available.

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    I have seen the Abyss 5500K light. It is a little blue glass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vee73 View Post
    I have seen the Abyss 5500K light. It is a little blue glass.

    You've actually seen the Abyss 5500K already! Wow neat. Please tell us more.

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    I have kept my hand on both models. D (Diffusion) S (Spot)-model.
    Diffusion model was physically smaller burner even though both were 35W. Diffusion model was indeed also a clear bluish glass. Beam was incredibly high and steady throughout!

    S (Spot)-model, to the beam appeared to be highly centralized.

    The carrying handle was easily removable.
    Rotary switch was made from two parts.
    The back cover was a two-seal. Its opening and sealing needed more power than, for example, PH-model.

    Both models have already been a couple of weeks in the Finnish importer:
    http://www.jomatig.fi/kauppa/polarion-abyss-u2.html

    http://www.polarion-store.fi/
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    Thank you Vee!

    1290 Euros converts to $1844.

    Length appears to be the same as the X1 (255mm).

    It seems that the blue tinted glass is what gives the D model it's 5500K color.

    Handle is "easily removable" just as it appeared to be in the pictures.

    Very cool...could be my next Polarion!


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    Now Patriot, as you well know, this is just what I need--another Polarion....



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    lol.....yes you sure do, just like I need another. If the converted price is correct it would make a nice 35W, 90 minute run, compliment to the PH50. On the down side, it takes a different battery but if we want a shorter light than the P series, I don't seen any way around the battery format.

    In some ways, the X1 and Abyss are almost a better package design since both lights depend on handles. The PH style only had to be longer and skinnier to accommodate the handle-less PF style. Since there is no handle-less X1 they were able to make it fatter and shorter.


    So what do you think Karl, "groupbuy!"
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    Well...I just might get twisted into that..................



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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    lol.....yes you sure do, just like I need another. If the converted price is correct it would make a nice 35W, 90 minute run, compliment to the PH50. On the down side, it takes a different battery but if we want a shorter light than the P series, I don't seen any way around the battery format.

    In some ways, the X1 and Abyss are almost a better package design since both lights depend on handles. The PH style only had to be longer and skinnier to accommodate the handle-less PF style. Since there is no handle-less X1 they were able to make it fatter and shorter.


    So what do you think Karl, "groupbuy!"

    You know I will be in for a groupbuy on this too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
    You know I will be in for a groupbuy on this too.

    I sort of figured, but you know, it is going to want a big brother to mentor it. That can't happen if you sell your PH50.

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    Abyss video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAUpqVL6X_A

    U2-D / S


















    Abyss / PH50


    Abyss U2-S / PH50 / U2-D


    U2-D ballast


    U2-S ballast



    U2-D






    U2-S




    Image original location:
    http://www.kuvaboxi.fi/julkinen/28g8...n-kuvilla.html
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    Vee73, thanks for taking the time to post all these pictures and also the link to the site. Very informative pictures.

    1) The handle seems to be removable but really why would you want to remove it? Are other "types" of handles/mounts in the works or something? The light by itself seems to large for normal hands to hold (same as the X1) without a handle.

    2) Is the allen bolt on the magnetic switch for field replacements/cleaning or something after diving?

    3) Type II or Type III annodizing on the Abyss?

    4) can the tailcap be used on an X1?

    5) the picture of the circuit board for the U2-S shows a DUAL 35W/40 marking..... interesting... there isn't a HI/LO with this light is there?

    6) would be nice if someone took or added a shot of the U2-S with the diffusion filter snap on in the hallway so that it can be then compared to the U2-D

    7) Looks like (from video) they switched from the hard case to the bag for the Abyss....

    Ken, any word on price yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    I sort of figured, but you know, it is going to want a big brother to mentor it. That can't happen if you sell your PH50.
    I hear ya... however the PH50 is going to be on its way to its new home as soon as I return from out of town. :-( This Abyss might be the lone wolf/big dawg of the household for a while.
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    They did go from the hard case to the soft bag as part of the standard package--the hard case seems to be offered as an accessory---which, at this price, should be included in the package if you ask me!

    I also note that this file identifies a run time of 20-30 minutes before it turns off (for heat management) when the light is used "on land". Used in the intended environment, the light would have sufficient cooling to run until the battery is exhausted.

    See the attached link http://www.polarion-store.fi/pdf/Abyss-manual-eng-1.pdf

    You may have to copy and paste this one...



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    Quote Originally Posted by karlthev View Post

    I also note that this file identifies a run time of 20-30 minutes before it turns off (for heat management) when the light is used "on land". Used in the intended environment, the light would have sufficient cooling to run until the battery is exhausted.

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    As you pointed out, the PDF states:
    "While using the light on land, it turns off after 20~30 mins"


    I wonder if this was a translation mistake? Perhaps it should read, "light may turn off after 20-30 mins?" It's the same basic design and size of the X1 which is now operating at 40W. I can't imagine this light turning itself off after 20 minutes because it just wouldn't follow logic. It will be interesting to hear more about this.

    I must say, the 5500K "D" model provides some amazingly pure and properly colored light for the camera's sake. The beam is so smooth and beautiful that it would make the perfect caving or urban exploration light. I'm a bit less skeptical about this lens and reflector combo not that I've seen some shots of it. It certainly limits your options if you should suddenly have a need for throw, but the beam looks much nicer than just slapping a diffuser on the front of an otherwise standard model.



    BTW Vee, thank you very much for posting these links. I was unclear if your actually owned these lights already or just reviewed them. Which ever the case, which model do you like better, the D or S?


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    Good point Paul! No warning on the X1 as you say....the only thing I can think of is the possibility of a more stout construction (to guarantee being more water resistant at greater depths?) and possible resultant insulation of the ballast--making heat dissipation less efficient? I'm grasping for straws with this one though.....but..


    "Because the Polarion AbyssTM is designed for underwater use, prolonged use on land can cause overheating. When this occurs , it simply triggers the thermal protection circuit and will shut down. It will return to normal operation once the light has cooled down."



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    Quote Originally Posted by karlthev View Post


    "Because the Polarion AbyssTM is designed for underwater use, prolonged use on land can cause overheating. When this occurs , it simply triggers the thermal protection circuit and will shut down. It will return to normal operation once the light has cooled down."




    Providing that there are no major differences in heat sinking between the U2 and X1, your above example of what it should read looks great to me. The way the PDF reads now is alarming, as if the light shuts down after 20-30 minutes regardless. I'm still going to assume it's a Korean to English translation problem.

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    Well, I'll defer to your thoughts---I am fully with you on this one! I'm expecting when we get them, they'll run longer than 20-3o minutes...least I hope so!


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    Karl, thanks for the PM. I didn't realize that you were taking a quote from the PDF a few posts back. That's not the same vebiage used in the PDF that I read.

    Here is the one you posted:

    (PDF that Karl found)
    "Because the Polarion AbyssTM is designed for underwater use, prolonged use on land can cause overheating. When this occurs , it simply triggers the thermal protection circuit and will shut down. It will return to normal operation once the light has cooled down."
    (PDF that I found)
    While using the light on land, it turns off after 20~30 mins.
    Because the Polarion Abyss is designed for underwater use, prolonged use on
    land can cause overheating. When this occurs, it simply triggers the thermal
    protection circuit and will shut down. It will return to normal operation once the light has cooled down.
    Ok, I see now that it was under the trouble shooting section and the portion that I changed to bold was an example of a symptom. In that case I'm not sure why they assigned a 20-30 minute value since if the ambient temperature were lower it could just as well reach thermal shut down at 40-50 or 60-70 minutes. It seems to me that it should instead read. while using the light on land, it turns off prior to the battery being exhausted.

    Thanks for the "head-up" Karl.

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    Well, you're welcome....if I deserve it...

    We're all Polarion fans here and I think we all want to get the best information possible before we pull the trigger on a buy. I'd like to see some response from others as well....Ken?? Are we reading the literature correctly?



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    Quote Originally Posted by karlthev View Post
    Well, you're welcome....if I deserve it...

    We're all Polarion fans here and I think we all want to get the best information possible before we pull the trigger on a buy. I'd like to see some response from others as well....Ken?? Are we reading the literature correctly?



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    I too am hoping that was a bad translation. It will be a no-go if I cant get a fair amount of land usage out of it...... i am sure things will get cleared up one way or another once Ken or someone else gets their hands on these.

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    Patriot. Diving Lights, I have only a test. I do not own them. I do not know which is better. They are so different.

    Here is my pre-tested lamps:
    http://www.kuvaboxi.fi/mediaobjects/...041683orig.jpg
    http://www.kuvaboxi.fi/mediaobjects/...041669orig.jpg

    This still updated list:
    http://www.kuvaboxi.fi/mediaobjects/...100721orig.jpg


    I decided to take the test images U2-S with diffusor.

    This once again U2-D


    U2-S


    U2-S with diffuser


    U2-S with My own made diffuser



    Graphics test corridor:

    This once again U2-D corridor


    U2-S corridor


    U2-S with diffuser


    U2-S with My own made diffuser

    My own made get really close to U2-D. Light Effect is even greater than the U2-D.
    Preparation my own diffuser sand blowing off the color Polarion colored filter.


    Here in Finland, PH40 to pay 1495 €. Abyss pay 1290 €.
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    vee73---great pictures! Thanks!


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    Excellent vee73.... I thanks for taking the diffuser based pictures as well on the U2-S.... I was thinking we would see more "diffusion".

    Can you take a picture of your homemade diffusion filter next to the standard Polarion one? Sand blasting one of the colored filters sounds interesting. Which color?

    Thanks again.
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    The original front


    Original from behind


    Colored sand-blasted off the color. The front.


    Colored sand-blasted off the color. From behind


    It does not matter what color.
    Color is only one side of glass. I have seen the color to be only the back side.
    Can also sandblast the front. This will be colored diffusion filter. I have done this for all of Polarion and Microfire filter.
    I have all the colors of two. Original and diffusor.

    These are all I use, for example, when I take photos in the woods.
    http://www.kuvaboxi.fi/julkinen/2auk...ystettyna.html

    If you want to blow the sand, it is not required even to open it.
    But always better if you do.

    Here you can see how easy Polarion opening of the filter is.
    http://www.kuvaboxi.fi/mediaobjects/...062275orig.jpg
    http://www.kuvaboxi.fi/mediaobjects/...062277orig.jpg


    Admittedly, the image series switch Polarion and Microfire the filter with each other. But the principle is the same.

    Oh, yeah. Microfire Filters are not painted. They are full color glass.


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    Fantastic woods photos! It must be a lot of work setting up your equipment to take these shots. Of course, it is not really work when you love doing it.

    Great lights, too.

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    Thanks! SunFire900.
    Yes, these images requires a lot of experiments. And they still can not always succeed. You are right. It is my favorite hobby. Here in Finland, in winter the sun does not rise at all. All people hate it. But me, my PH40 and PH50 loved it
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