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    Mine discharged a lot faster out of the pack.. after first charge the 2nd discharge took twice as much.

    OT: A P14 just arrived here will put the eneloops to test lux...
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    Thank you very much Mr. Happy for those pictures. They solved the issue for me and did put my mind to rest...

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    Perhaps we should make somekind of "counterfeit gallery" - genuine eneloops vs fakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art View Post
    Hey!
    I just made the really intelligent mistake of short circuiting one of the AA eneloops... with a digital caliper I was measuring the size and touched + and -... cell became hot in the 2secs I did this :|

    Did I kill the cell? Its working now on a flashlight...

    I did the refresh on all 4 yesterday , took 8h to discharge and 2,5h to fully charge to 1.45v.
    You're far from the first person to briefly dead-short an Eneloop Art.

    Fortunately, they really are a tough little cell, and I've yet to hear of any consequential problems with their performance, even over the long term.

    Insofar as initial capacity is concerned, please bear in mind that the Eneloop may not leave the factory with a full charge.

    The following blurb is from a senior representative at Sanyo Component Europe GmbH:

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    The Eneloop batteries are sold charged, but not necessarily 100% fully charged. In Europe we charge them about 75%.
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    http://www.stefanv.com ... sanyo_eneloop ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marko View Post
    Perhaps we should make some kind of "counterfeit gallery" - genuine eneloops vs fakes?
    It would certainly be both convenient and a useful tool Marko.

    While its predecessors have been almost embarrassingly obvious, the counterfeit Eneloops you reported are thus far in a class by themselves.

    Since it's a given they're only going to get more difficult to discern, a centralized respository for images and information would certainly save a lot of digging, especially for those that Google their way here.
    I don't know why we are here, but I'm pretty sure that it is not in order to enjoy ourselves

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    I'll try to take better pictures after the break-in sequence, or is there somebody who allready has those cells from the same batch (and have better photographing skills too )?

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    here are two pictures I received from Sanyo:


    hope to see more ways to ID these fake cells, but as the counterfeits getting better at imitating the physical appearance, it will be harder to ID them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Happy View Post
    To avoid further misunderstandings or confusion with anyone else, here is what genuine eneloops in USA packaging look like:

    Here is the front of the new packaging that I received, it looks very much like the genuine one.



    My cells has similar ridge like fake cells on rookiedaddy's pictures. You can see it here, fake one on the right.


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    The similar packaging is probably because the counterfeiters photocopied the original. It is more significant to look at the cells themselves. The exact shape and design of those is harder to copy.

    Also, as I mentioned before, doesn't it seem a little odd to get a package distributed by "Sanyo Energy (U.S.A.) Corporation" from a vendor in Hong Kong? I would find that quite suspicious in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Happy View Post
    Also, as I mentioned before, doesn't it seem a little odd to get a package distributed by "Sanyo Energy (U.S.A.) Corporation" from a vendor in Hong Kong? I would find that quite suspicious in itself.
    The four packs that I recently got in HK have got "Manufactured for: SANYO Energy (U.S.A.)" etc. written on the back, and they are definitely genuine. I must admit that I wasn't sure about that until I got them home and tested them all though!

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    Results from break-in cycle @ C9000

    1 - 2029 mAh
    2 - 1996 mAh
    3 - 2052 mAh
    4 - 2027 mAh

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    The shape of cell is not so decent, look at the top end of cells. Genuine eneloop on the left.




    Date code is much more unreadable, and its not always at the same place. Genuine eneloop on the left.


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    Both genuine Eneloops.

    Batterijenhuis = old batch
    Conrad = new batch



    CONRAD: Glossy text.
    BATTERIJENHUIS: Text not glossy, watch the ridge on the positive side.



    Photo says enough.



    Look at the foil on the batteries bottom.



    Photo says enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remon View Post
    Both genuine Eneloops.
    Really? How many vent holes Batterijenhuis -version has?

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    Four! They are identical, except the label.

    I've send a e-mail to Sanyo Europe, and they replied to me that they are in process of changing the battery labels due new European regulations...

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    this is interesting...
    i'm starting to wonder if there are any fake Eneloop that also hold their charge after 6 months, if it does and it offers higher capacity, perhaps they should just market it using their own brand?

    Remon: do you have a closer shot of the cell from Batterijenhuis that shows a clearer text? would like to get some clarification from Sanyo

    btw, all my Eneloop comes in "over-protective" packaging, it looks exactly like this packaging from batterijenhuis. The inner packaging is good enough to be use as a battery holder.
    Below is the packaging I received:

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    The Eneloops from Batterijenhuis (old batch) and Conrad (new batch) came both in a identical plastc/carton blister. Not in the package shown on their website. Only difference was the date of production printed on the back.



    Above: old batch from Batterijenhuis
    Under: new batch from Conrad

    I don't have more photo's from the old Eneloop batch. I give them away to a friend.

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    seriously, i wonder why you people keep buying from DX..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marko View Post
    Here is the front of the new packaging that I received, it looks very much like the genuine one.



    My cells has similar ridge like fake cells on rookiedaddy's pictures. You can see it here, fake one on the right.

    even the packaging is not that "very much like the genuine on"..

    pay close attention on the font & the colors..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remon View Post
    The Eneloops from Batterijenhuis (old batch) and Conrad (new batch) came both in a identical plastc/carton blister. Not in the package shown on their website. Only difference was the date of production printed on the back.

    I don't have more photo's from the old Eneloop batch. I give them away to a friend.
    Thanks... the new image is good enough , I shall forward to Sanyo and ask if they produce different version for different region (I'm from Asia). It would be interesting to get their feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarboy View Post
    even the packaging is not that "very much like the genuine on"..

    pay close attention on the font & the colors..

    Are we looking at the same packaging? Fonts looks exactly the same to me, since its probably photocopied like Mr Happy mentioned eralier. Colors may vary a bit just because of different white balance settings.

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    Some details of the design and labeling have certainly varied over time.

    Here are three eneloops; 2005 USA (left), 2009 USA (middle), 2008 Japan (right):



    Note how the blue ink is slightly darker on the newer ones and the positive button is slightly taller. Also note the slight ridge around the top of the older cell that is absent from the newer ones.





    As has been noted previously in this thread the "small print" has been changed to a different layout on newer cells.



    This shows clearly how the older cell has a transparent overlay on the wrapping where the new cells have a single layer opaque covering. The squarish button with four vent holes is also very evident. This is probably the single most distinguishing feature of the eneloop. So far no fake cells have been seen to have this design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marko View Post
    Are we looking at the same packaging? Fonts looks exactly the same to me, since its probably photocopied like Mr Happy mentioned eralier. Colors may vary a bit just because of different white balance settings.
    Obviously not the same font. Also the space between each character & "boldness" of each character is very not the same.

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    i keep the packaging just in case i need to compare..

    that's what i bought from a reputable brick & mortar battery store in Hong Kong around a year ago.

    Please note there's a laser "anti-fake" sticker (the shiny silver one) & a blue sticker saying "Cell Made In Japan (MIJ), can be charged approx. 1,000 times"

    Also, the Sanyo website should read "www.sanyohk.com" on the back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remon View Post
    Both genuine Eneloops.

    Photo says enough.




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    The right one looks like a fake, i have never seen a real eneloop with that type of top nipple, do you have testing equiptment?

    i would like to play along with this whole thread, like a Matching Game, but everything IDed so far by others correlates with all the other information.
    that just leaves this one. missed out on all the fun :-)
    Last edited by VidPro; 08-08-2009 at 05:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rookiedaddy View Post
    The inner packaging is good enough to be use as a battery holder.
    Below is the packaging I received:
    that is how most of mine come too, the pakaging keeps them from damage, especially when going postal

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    Quote Originally Posted by VidPro View Post
    The right one looks like a fake, i have never seen a real eneloop with that type of top nipple, do you have testing equiptment?
    The right one is real for sure. I bought it together with a quick charger from a Sanyo store locator recommended shop. http://www.eneloop.info/where-to-buy...etherland.html

    For verification, i bought also a twinpack from another recommended store. That ones are exactly the same as the right one on the quoted photo.

    The capacity of the batteries are around 1970 mAh. I've test that with a Maha Powerex C9000 charger/analyzer.

    I'm also hanging around on a dutch forum, with a big batteries discussion thread. The people along there verified both batches as genuine.

    Later i bought cheap Eneloops from a guy in that thread, he bought them directly from Sanyo, and are exactly the same. They came in bulk packaging to him:

    Last edited by Remon; 08-08-2009 at 06:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitor View Post
    The "over 2500 mAh" figure is not the capacity - it's the energy that was put into the cell during the charge. The final figure is the capacity, and it sounds about right for an Eneloop tested with a current model C9000.

    Have a close look at the positive terminal - if it has four vents, and looks a bit squarish, it's probably a genuine Eneloop. Also, check on which side of the seam the date code is printed.

    I bought four packs of Eneloops in HK a few weeks ago, (dirt cheap from Apliu St. - HK$63 per pack) and the packaging looks identical to the DX pics, but the cells have the characteristic positive terminal shape, and return capacities of around 2000 mAh on a break-in. They seem to be as genuine as the other 40 cells I have, but have no outer clear shrink wrap over the white one. Date code is 08-11 UI.

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    Most Eneloops in Apliu St. are actually fake..

    I live in Hong Kong.. The real ones should bear an "anti-fake" sticker on the packaging..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remon View Post
    The right one is real for sure. I bought it together with a quick charger from a Sanyo store locator recommended shop. http://www.eneloop.info/where-to-buy...etherland.html

    For verification, i bought also a twinpack from another recommended store. That ones are exactly the same as the right one on the quoted photo.
    are you sure you posted the correct picture of the one you purchaced from a reliable source? and not the one you bought from the bulk pack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VidPro View Post
    are you sure you posted the correct picture of the one you purchaced from a reliable source? and not the one you bought from the bulk pack?
    I took the photo before i bought the Eneloops from the bulk pack.

    The batteries from the bulk pack are also genuine for sure.

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