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    Party ITP A3 EOS & Maratac AAA Reviews: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, DETAILED PICS & more!

    UPDATE January 20, 2012: Olight discontinued their ITP brand of budget lights a few months ago, and released new versions of the old ITP A-series lights (now known as the Olight i-series). See my recent comparison review of the new Olight i3 here.

    UPDATE August 4, 2011: I recently bought a new XP-G R5 version of the ITP EOS A3. Comparison beamshots, runtimes, and PWM testing for this new version is presented at the very end of this review.

    Reviewer's Note: The ITP A3 EOS lights were provided for review by GoingGear.com. Please see their sales thread in CPFM for more info. The Maratac AAA lights were provided for review by CPF user StandardBattery.

    Warning: very pic heavy!

    Combined ITP A3 EOS specifications, condensed from GoingGear's website:
    • Cree 7090-XP-E Q5
    • Operating voltage: 0.9V - 3.0V
    • Uses 1 x AAA, 1 x Rechargeable NiMh AAA, or 1 x 10420 (10420 batteries are not recommended).
    • Dimensions: Length: 66.5mm , Diameter: 14 mm
    • Color: Black
    • Weight: 9 g without batteries and keychain
    • Standard Edition: Single output level – 80 lumens (55 minutes runtime)
    • Upgrade Edition: Three output levels - Medium 18 lumens (4 hours) -> Low 1.5 lumens (50 hours) ->-High 80 lumens (55 minutes)
    • Superior heat sink that disperses heat to protect LED and electrical components
    • Orange peel reflector.
    • Mil-spec: MIL-STD-810F
    • MSRP: ~$20 (price varies depending on specific make/model and supplier)

    This review is of the much-discussed and highly-anticipated ITP A3 EOS and Maratac AAA keychain flashlights.

    The ITP EOS comes in two flavors, a Standard single-stage version and an Upgraded multi-level version. The Maratac AAA comes in a multi-level version that is widely believed to be identical to the Upgraded ITP EOS (scroll down to find out ). All lights come in a choice of anodizing finishes - black or natural gray.




    Packaging for the ITP EOS lights is the same for both versions. They come in a fairly basic box with the light, attached keychain ring, removable pocket clip, spare o-rings, and user manual. Both lights included the same manual which has both sets of instructions for the Standard or Upgraded versions.




    The Maratac lights are even more minimalist. Here all you get is the light with attached keychain anchor point, pocket clip, one page manual card, and spare o-rings - all in a clear sealed pouch. Clearly, the Maratac version is meant to be more of a budget offering.

    For all compilation pics below, the ITP EOS Standard version will be shown first, followed by the Upgraded version, and then finally the Maratac AAAs.






    From left to right: Duracell AAA, ITP EOS Standard (Black), ITP EOS Upgraded (Nat), Maratac (Nat), Maratac AAA (Black), Fenix L0D, LiteFlux LF2XT, Lumapower Avenger GX.

    Note that the anodizing difference between the Natural finish on the ITP EOS and Maratac samples is not as great as it appears above (although the ITP version does seem a bit more brown).

    As you can see, the Standard ITP EOS is about 3 mm shorter than either the Upgraded EOS or the Maratac lights. This is likely due to the simpler circuit needed in the standard single-level light.

    Dimensons: (weights are all with no keychain attached, but with pocket clip installed)

    ITP EOS Single-stage: Weight: 10.3g, Length: 66.6mm, Width: 14.0mm (bezel)
    ITP EOS Upgraded: Weight: 11.6g, Length: 69.7, Width: 14.1mm (bezel)
    Maratac 1xAAA: Weight: 10.9g , Length: 67.5mm, Width: 14.1mm (bezel)

    Overall weight and size are remarkably low for all models – they are not that much bigger than an AAA battery. Despite the small scale, battery tube wall thickness feels sturdy enough.

    The main differences between the Maratac and ITP EOS offerings are in the external styling and keychain attachment point.








    The Maratac lights use fairly aggressive knurling on both the body and head to help with grip. The ITP EOS lights have grooves running along the length of the body/head. Personally, I find the Maratac versions to be "grippier".





    The keychain attachment point on the Maratacs is a removable piece of metal around the tailcap region (which frankly seems a little thin and fragile to me).

    In contrast, the ITP EOS lights have a built-in split-ring attachment point on the tail of the light, and come with an included chain and keychain ring (note the actual large keychain ring portion can be quickly removed from the rest of the chain). While this is definitely sturdier on the ITP versions, the attachment point does prevent tailstanding.

    Otherwise, all the details of these lights are identical. They all seem to use the same emitter in reflector combination. The heads and bodies of the lights are interchangeable for all the members (i.e. you can put the Maratac head on the EOS body, and vice versa). Even the pocket clips are identical between all the models!





    The positive contact board in the head seems to be the same on both the Upgraded ITP EOS and Maratac lights. In keeping with the smaller head (and simpler function), the Standard EOS contact board is slightly different.

    Screw threads are anodized on all lights, which of course is necessary to ensure lockout (i.e. lights are only activated when the head is screwed fully down).




    Internally, all lights have a simple spring at the bottom of the battery tube that can be manually removed (a sample from the Maratac is shown above).

    Getting a strong feeling that the Maratac and ITP lights are one of the same?

    The lights come in two finishes: black and natural gray (although my Upgraded EOS sample seems a bit more brown). Personally, I'm a fan of natural finish on keychain lights, as they survive abuse better (i.e. dings and scratches are less noticeable). According to the specs, these lights use a type III hard anodized finish.

    Fit and finish are excellent on all my samples, with no chips or marks. The lettering is clear and sharp on all samples.




    The lights use the new smaller Cree Q5 XP-E emitter, in a premium white cool tint. For more information on tints and color perception, please see my Colour tint comparison and the summary LED tint charts found here.

    XP-E emitters tend to have fairly smooth beams with minimal Cree rings, even with smooth reflectors. In this case, there seems to be a fairly mild orange-peel texturing to the reflectors. Combined with the fairly shallow depth, you get a reasonably wide beam with smooth transition from spot to spill (see below).

    Comparison Beamshots

    All lights are on Hi/Max on Sanyo Eneloop (NiMH), about 0.5 meters from a white wall.










    As you can tell, there is no real difference between the EOS/Maratac samples. Overall beam pattern is fairly similar to the Fenix L0D. Note that the camera is accentuating the tint differences a bit in the first panel, but the Fenix L0D (older Cree P4 model) does indeed have a slight bluish cool white tint. The Avenger GX is on the warm end of cool white (maybe a WG-WH tint), and the LF2XT is not as orange as the pic above suggests – a lot more yellow (4C neutral tint).

    All four of my EOS/Maratac samples have a premium cool white tint.

    User Interface

    The user interface of the ITP EOS Standard single-stage light is extremely simple: twist the head tight against the body to activate the light, loosen to turn off.

    The Upgraded ITP EOS and Maratac AAA lights use an identical interface to the Fenix L0D. When first activated, the light comes on in Medium. Do a rapid twist off-on and the light advances to low. Do another rapid off-on twist and the light advances to Hi. Wait a few seconds before re-activating the light after turning off, and it returns to default Medium.

    This cycle continues indefinitely - keep doing off-on twists to run through all the sequences in order again. There is no strobe or SOS mode on any of these lights.

    FYI, I noticed that performing a too-rapid switch on my ITP EOS Upgraded sometimes didn't advance the level (i.e. it didn't seem to register the off mode). You may need to go a little slower to reliably switch levels.

    Pulse-Width-Modulation (PWM)

    The Standard ITP EOS does not use PWM for its lone output mode, and neither do the Upgraded ITP EOS or Maratac AAA lights on their Hi mode.

    On Medium and Low, the ITP EOS Upgraded and Maratac lights both use 200 Hz PWM, on all battery sources.



    While still visible, this is better than the 100 Hz PWM of the original Fenix L0D . Note that later model Fenix L0D/LD01 lights used a much higher and undetectable PWM frequency.

    Throw/Output Summary Chart:



    Note in the comparison above that my Fenix L0D is an early edition with a Cree P4. Based on a 350mA drive current (where Cree Output bins are determined), a Cree Q5 emitter would be expected to be ~30% brighter on average, for the same drive current.

    As expected, there was relatively little difference in output or throw between all the Maratac and ITP samples. This makes the Maratac and ITP lights the brightest 1xAAA lights on standard batteries in my collection at the moment (though likely close to what a Q5-equipped LD01 would produce).

    The real difference between these lights comes out the Lo/Med levels – here, the EOS/Maratac lights have a lower Lo than the Fenix L0D, but a higher Medium. See runtimes below for more information.

    I've also included basic Min and Max lightbox numbers for a couple of these lights on 1x10440 Li-ion. I have not included detailed throw numbers for reasons I will discuss in the detailed conclusions of this review.

    Output/Runtime Comparison:










    As you can see, there is remarkably little variation between the various Maratac and ITP samples on Hi. The output/runtime performance is virtually identical on all samples, including the single stage ITP EOS.

    Similarly, on Medium, output and runtime are remarkably similar on my samples. It thus seems clear to me that the ITP EOS Upgraded and Maratac AAA lights use the exact same circuit.

    In terms of performance, I think the ITP EOS/Maratac lights do quite well at all levels on standard batteries. When matched for output, runtimes seem comparable to the LiteFlux LF2XT, which is my best performing1xAAA light to date.

    For 1x10440 Li-ion, here are the results of the Medium level run:



    Here you can see runtime performance is acceptable, although certainly not as impressive as my LiteFlux LF2XT. I would note that only the LiteFlux light is officially rated to accept this higher voltage battery source. Regardless, I do not recommend running an unprotected Li-ion in any light without a circuit that has built-in cutoff protection features (e.g. LiteFlux LF2XT). If you over-discharge a Li-ion cell below ~2.7V (which typically occurs as soon as the output begins to drop), your cell will be damaged and should be discarded.

    I don't plan to do runtimes on Hi on 10440, but here's a graph showing you the comparison to the initial value I observed:



    Simply put, I do not recommend running such small lights at this output level on a Li-ion battery. It seems to me that the heat generated from this output level could be sufficient to potentially trigger a thermal runaway that could destroy the emitter.

    Moreover, given the runtime performance of the L0D on Hi (which had a >4C discharge rate!), I doubt my 10440 would last for very long if I kept doing these tests. That sort of discharge rate is damaging to a Li-ion battery, and I don't think that is something you want to do. If you really want to use a 10440 cell, please avoid the Hi mode and avoid over-discharge.

    Potential Issues

    The 3-mode ITP EOS Upgraded/Maratac lights use visible 200Hz PWM on their Medium/Low levels. There is no PWM on Hi, or on the single-stage ITP EOS.

    The keychain clip attachment point on the Maratac seems a little flimsy. The built-in attachment point on ITP EOS versions is better, but prevents tailstanding.

    One of my Maratac lights occasionally experienced some flickering upon activation in the default output mode (i.e. Med). Cycling through all the levels and back to Med invariably solved the problem, although I'm not sure why.

    General Observations

    I can see why these lights have generated so much interest here. They have a very compelling feature set – and even more compelling price (~$20 or so).

    First off, I can confirm that circuit performance of the Maratac AAA and ITP EOS Upgraded edition are identical. Basically, the choice between them comes down to the build differences (and local availability).

    Physically, the lights are actually interchangeable – you can put the Maratac head on either of the ITP bodies, and vice versa (although the Standard ITP EOS head is shorter than the multi-level Upgraded/Maratac versions, likely due to the simpler circuit required for single-stage). It all comes down to styling preference – scroll back up the review for some detailed comparison pics and comments.

    Thanks to the XP-E emitter and shallow OP reflector, the beam profile is fairly pleasant for a keychain light, IMO (i.e. broad and diffuse hotspot, fairly wide spillbeam, minimal rings). For the multi-level lights, the output levels are well spaced – Medium (i.e. default on) seems to be set higher than the Fenix L0D, and Lo is even lower. Max output is one of the highest in my collection for this class.

    Although not officially supported, 10440 Li-ion seems to work in the Maratac/ITP EOS – and with greater output at all levels, as expected. But I DO NOT recommend you run these lights on Hi on 10440. Output was extremely high on Max – and there is no way that amount of light (and heat) is going to be good for the emitter OR the battery in such a small shell. I have not done runtimes at this level, and I suggest you don’t try either. You don’t want your Li-ion going .

    My only real issue with the lights is the visible PWM on Med/Lo (200Hz in my testing). Clearly, there is a lot of individual variability in detecting and/or being bothered by PWM. But I would strongly encourage ITP to raise the PWM freq to undetectable levels (i.e. >1 kHz), as I personally consider these lights only minimally acceptable at their current level. Of course, your experience may be different (and count yourself lucky if it is ).

    One last minor point – I never really got the point of the Med-Lo-Hi sequence on 1xAAA lights I presume the reasoning is that Med is likely to be used the most, but the sequence is just not intuitive. Lo-Med-Hi would be the most useful when having dark-adapted eyes. After all, it's not like anyone would use a 1xAAA keychain for “tactical” purposes.

    But these are minor points. Fundamentally, the combination of multi-levels, excellent efficiency, good beam, small size, and unbelievably low price makes these lights an incredible deal. I’m not surprised by the warm welcome they have received here. As for me, I will be loading up on these as gifts for friends and family. Now to go and find a good deal on Energizer L92 lithiums to bundle with them …

    UPDATE August 4, 2011: ITP has made significant upgrades to this light since it was first released. To start, the mode sequence has been changed to Lo > Med > Hi, and PWM frequency has been increased to visually undetectable levels (2.45 kHz in my testing):



    The emitter has been upgraded to a XP-G R5, which produces greater output. Here are some recent comparison beamshots:













    Here is how this new version compares to other 1xAAA lights for output and runtime:












    As you can see, these are significant upgrades to the light.
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    P.S.: As an aside, Marshall from GoingGear.com included a couple of his signature aluminum keychain items along with the ITP review samples. Fairly basic but solid construction, and they seem to work well (e.g. the whistle is fairly loud, and the pill bottle has an o-ring, etc):



    P.P.S: I would like to extend a nod to StandardBattery for running his International group buys for the Maratac lights. He generously supplied the two Matatac review samples used here at his own cost.
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    As alaways, you do a good review selfbuilt =)
    Good job.

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    Good stuff! Thanks.

    And thanks for bringing up that dumb m/l/h sequence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidt1 View Post
    Good stuff! Thanks.

    And thanks for bringing up that dumb m/l/h sequence.
    +1, that is one of the few nitpicks I have of the Maratac/iTP EOS

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    : selfbuilt!

    What's the finish like (HA, Type II)?

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    It's supposed to be HA and it definitely looks like it is to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beacon of Light View Post
    +1, that is one of the few nitpicks I have of the Maratac/iTP EOS

    Mine as well. These lights would be even better if they went low,med,high! My other really small complaints is that he lanyard hole is so small that only the smallest (and not very sturdy) split rings can fit in it. That and they could have put a few more threads after the o ring, so that the head can be unscrewed a bit further before the o ring is visible.

    Other than those small nitpicks, this thing is virtually perfect. The beam is smooth as butter, and the PWM doesn't bother me at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toohotruk View Post
    The only thing the LD01 really has over one of these (besides the higher freq PWM), is the great guarantee if you buy one from 7777...but then, for what you pay for one of these, if something happens to it, it's really no biggie, just buy another.
    Actually, I believe 4sevens is now only offering the standard Fenix manufacturer warranty (i.e. repair or replace within 2 years of purchase, and only if bought at 4sevens/fenix-store.com), beyond their policy to accept returns within the first 30 days. At least, that is what's posted on their warranty page (effective as of July 16, 2009).

    From the ITP insert, it seems they offer something similar - unconditional replacement of defective lights within 30 days from the dealer you bought it from, repair or replacement within 2 years of purchase by ITP. Beyond 2 years, ITP will still cover labour but you pay for the parts (Fenix offers this too).

    So, on paper, the warranty process is the same. Of course, I'm a big believer in dealing with reputable dealers here!

    Still, methinks it may be time for Fenix to consider lowering the price of the E01 and LD01, given the new competition ...

    Quote Originally Posted by greenLED View Post
    What's the finish like (HA, Type II)?
    They claim it's HA, and so far, I have no reason to think otherwise. We'll see how it holds up ...

    Quote Originally Posted by adirondackdestroyer View Post
    These lights would be even better if they went low,med,high! My other really small complaints is that he lanyard hole is so small that only the smallest (and not very sturdy) split rings can fit in it.
    That's a good point - while the ITP attachment point is better than the Maratac, it still leaves something to be desired (as you say, you can't put a very large split-ring on there).

    Something much better is what my old JetBeam Jet-µ has - a solid flat attachment point next to an angled down area, with still over half the base flat to allow stable tailstanding, FYI, I notice the VersaTi has something similar to the Jet-µ (and yes, I will be reviewing that light too - but it will likely be a couple of weeks from now).

    Quote Originally Posted by Beacon of Light View Post
    +1, that is one of the few nitpicks I have of the Maratac/iTP EOS
    The Med/Lo/Hi issue seems to have struck a chord with people here!

    I can only guess ITP decided to emulate the Fenix L0D/LD01, given its general dominance in this category. But this is one time when I think they would have been better served going back to basics and thinking through what uses would probably actually like the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beacon of Light View Post
    +1, that is one of the few nitpicks I have of the Maratac/iTP EOS
    Still three turns to high, but you're all right...Waiting for my AA to show up(L.M.H)...waiting for a stainless version, most impatiently I may add.

    Great light, I have all three and if you can live with the M.L.H. you can't go wrong for a nice pocket change, poke around the house light.

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    Got my black Maratac AAA model a couple of days ago. Even smaller than I expected. Bit disappointed with the rather flimsy clip. Overall, a very good light for the money.
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    Thanks for another great review!

    I've had my EOS for a few days, and couldn't be more impressed. These lights are amazing for the price, and hopefully will be improved upon in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    P.S.: As an aside, Marshall from GoingGear.com included a couple of his signature aluminum keychain items along with the ITP review samples. Fairly basic but solid construction, and they seem to work well (e.g. the whistle is fairly loud, and the pill bottle has an o-ring, etc):



    P.P.S: I would like to extend a nod to StandardBattery for running his International group buys for the Maratac lights. He generously supplied the two Matatac review samples used here at his own cost.

    My Maratac from countycom came in yesterday. 1 day ahead of schedual. I am more impressed than I thought I would be. On high in my back yard I pointed the light up my maple tree. Like a search light it looked. I cannot believe how bright a 1 AAA battery flashlight can be, (amazing). I am with selfbuilt on the modes. The mode used, at least for me, that I would normally use in the house or tent, would be low. I wished it would be lo>med>high as selfbuilt stated . I disagree with selfbuilt (ooops) about the keychain attachment. I do not like that carry mode so I wanted to take mine off right away last night. I got a pair of pliers and pulled and twisted. I tried pushing up where it is captured in a slot on each side, "no luck" To describe this carry point on the maratac, i would simply call it a compromise between hardness, and ductility, snap-ring with a loop. I finally just got my sons linemans pliers and cut it off. Was hard to cut with Klien linemans pliers. This little attachment point ( in my opinion ) would NEVER break or come off in any mode of carry with it.

    I will see along the road, as to this little gems durability. But for now it seems the best light I have ever seen in AAA asthetically and build quality especially for the $21.75 I paid for it. I was at Sportsmans Warehouse the other day just looking at the lights they had. And they wanted almost the same money for their streamlight single AAA Micro Light. I do like those little lights though. I like the simple on/off tailcap switch. I like the looks of it. It would make a fine EDC for someone a little less fussy as me {:-(. The only set back with the maratac is the long wait from Cal. to Chattanooga TN for me. I did see a Coast light in there. Rounded tailcap with push button switch. No clip, no lanyard attachment, and I was very impressed with its output. You could test it in the package. And at $11.99 I was even more impressed, and it had what they called a "crystal tube" that was set ahead of the LED, which they said would amplify the light. Had a glass lens, and the finish around the lens was rounded as well. This was a well thought out little pocket light from Coast. Coast has come a ways imop in their products in quality build. They have some nice stuff out their right now.

    My one and only gripe for my maratac is the mode setting. Give me Low/med/high, and I would give it a strong five stars. As it is I give it a weak five stars >if you will< !

    As I would look at it I would marvel. The technology to make that little thing work as it is, is an art in itself. AMAZING,>> my son got his little stream light with 2 AAA batteries, >"Pro-stylus" I think they call it< , and we tested it in pitch black darkness, and his single mode on his, seemed more dim than the medium mode on my Maratac. As far as the bright mode on the maratac, if we pointed both lights on the same spot you would never know his beamshot was there.

    And I know I am long winded, Sorry };-) !!

    Daniel AKA>nativecajun
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    Quote Originally Posted by nativecajun View Post
    I disagree with selfbuilt (ooops) about the keychain attachment. I do not like that carry mode so I wanted to take mine off right away last night. I got a pair of pliers and pulled and twisted. I tried pushing up where it is captured in a slot on each side, "no luck" To describe this carry point on the maratac, i would simply call it a compromise between hardness, and ductility, snap-ring with a loop. I finally just got my sons linemans pliers and cut it off. Was hard to cut with Klien linemans pliers. This little attachment point ( in my opinion ) would NEVER break or come off in any mode of carry with it.
    Thanks for the input - glad to hear you (like EngrPaul) are finding the Maratac keychain clip reliable.

    I haven't been keychain carrying this light, so am not able to give an assessment of its long-term stability. But I am not hearing of any definite problems so far, so I may need to revise that statement in the review if everything continues to hold (figuratively as well as literally ).

    So, has anyone experienced a failure of the Maratac keychain clip?
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    Mine's been on keychain duty since I got it. The keyring loop has never shown any sign of coming off, nor the pocket clip which has never caught on anything. I am amazed how reliable these two items are. Well done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kramer5150 View Post
    FWIW, my EOS-Upgrade model has a very yellow tint. I don't mind it at all, as I find colder tints harder on the eyes.

    I find the PWM on med-low noticeable but not bothersome.
    Quote Originally Posted by Woods Walker View Post
    Great review. Been EDC my iTP. The PWM is only an issue if I shake the light pointed at my head. Something most normal people don't do. The only flicker I get is if the head is not screwed down enough for the twisty, a little more twist clears that up and so far it has not been a real issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    I'm sure most people will find this level of PWM to be acceptable for everyday use. While I would certainly prefer undetectable PWM, I could probably live with this level.

    I may be more susceptible than most, but I see it constantly when using the light (i.e. more as "out-of-the-corner-of-your-eye" sort of thing). I suspect this has more do with the fact that our eyes are always darting around in saccades. A freq of 200Hz means every 5 msecs, which is in the range for the minisaccades.
    Hi

    Quick question. I've never owned an LED light, so I don't have any frame of reference for attempting to answer this question.

    When I'm walking in the city at night, sometimes this or that forces you to walk in areas [either along main streets or neighborhood sidewalks] that aren't lit very well. So I'm concerned about illuminating the area within a five to ten foot radius of me sufficiently so that I'm not going to trip over something or step into something. And when I'm walking, like some people my arms swing naturally by my sides. And I tend to walk at a fast pace most of the time.

    In that scenario where I would have a flashlight on low or medium mode for maybe five to ten consecutive minutes at a time while I'm walking, am I going to visually notice the PWM in this flashlight ? I don't want want the stroboscofic effect to make me feel dizzy or mess with my depth perception.

    Thank you in advance!
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    Great work and another incredible review. You covered all bases and I am left speechless as I just sit here and nod my head in agreement.

    FWIW, my EOS-Upgrade model has a very yellow tint. I don't mind it at all, as I find colder tints harder on the eyes.

    I find the PWM on med-low noticeable but not bothersome.

    Great review, and heres mine on a surefire neck lanyard.


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    Great review. Been EDC my iTP. The PWM is only an issue if I shake the light pointed at my head. Something most normal people don't do. The only flicker I get is if the head is not screwed down enough for the twisty, a little more twist clears that up and so far it has not been a real issue. Thinking about the SS iTP but will hold off some for others to get one as I heard of more (few) issues with the SS CC light on the Maratac thread.

    Edit. Yea Low-med-high would be better. Still it is a nice light and very bright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woods Walker View Post
    The only flicker I get is if the head is not screwed down enough for the twisty, a little more twist clears that up and so far it has not been a real issue.
    Got my iTP A3 EOS upgraded today.

    It's a nice light with an excellent beam pattern.

    I get some flickering quite regularly when trying to switch modes one-handed. Tightening the head completely (more than any other light I currently own) resolves that issue.
    I'm going to clean the threads and see if that helps any.

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    I had a good drop test today for my EOS 3-mode. I put a small lanyard on mine as kept dropping it. The light only fell into the leaf litter and lawn but guessed it would be a good idea. Naturally when getting into my truck today I was digging in my pocket for the keys. Somehow the lanyard got wrapped around my finder and tossed the light maybe 8 feet as it acted like a sling. Go figure the very thing I had to keep the light from hitting the deck worked against me. Anyways it hit the concrete walk hard. Only a few dings on the anodized coating. Light worked just fine. So good to report it can take a hit.

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    The flickering is not so bad and does not happen all the time. Once the mode is set there is no flickering. Sometimes I just need to give a a faster twist.

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    Very nice work Selfbuilt.. Some of you spoke of flickering when changing modes slowly, I have 2 EZAA's that do the same thing if changing modes quickly they never flicker. All those keychain lights are very tempting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woods Walker View Post
    Great review. Been EDC my iTP. The PWM is only an issue if I shake the light pointed at my head. Something most normal people don't do. The only flicker I get is if the head is not screwed down enough for the twisty, a little more twist clears that up and so far it has not been a real issue. Thinking about the SS iTP but will hold off some for others to get one as I heard of more (few) issues with the SS CC light on the Maratac thread.

    Edit. Yea Low-med-high would be better. Still it is a nice light and very bright.
    I really almost pulled hair out decideing on SS or natural alum. finish on my maratac. I since read from selfbuilt that SS is of course, 1. heavier, but that would not be an issue. I thought the ss looked better, and when new they do. But without hard anodizing they will scratch more readily. Last and most important point, SS does a lousy job at displacing heat. Therefore I seemed to have made the right decision on my natural alum. maratac I have now, and am throughly enjoying. Man that thing on high shining up in my maple tree, you could see a mouse on the top limb with that little pocket search light. Of course I would hardly ever use that mode unless searching for a lost kid in the woods or something. Even the medium mode is a bit bright for house and tent use. I only wish as selfbuilt, and now you, has stated that we wish both lights would default to low. Low > Med > High makes more sense to me.

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    On The issue of PWM, I seem to be one of those individuals that is particularly sensitve to it. But I find the ITP to be quite acceptable in use - it is noticeable but not distracting.

    The put that in context, I stopped carrying an early version Fenix L0D (which was 100Hz) because I found it too distracting in actual use. Individual tolerances will vary, but I personally find the the ITP's PWM quite tolerable.
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    Great review, I love my single stage EOS, No PWM and classic Fenix L0P style switching. Just ON and OFF. Great backup light. Very bright.
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    Bravo!

    Wonderful as always Selfbuilt! Thank you!

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    selfbuilt, you have us all spoiled! Another top-notch review, confirming what many of us have felt---these are tremendous bang-for-the-buck lights!

    Thanks again for all you contribute to this forum.

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    As usual, great review.

    Just what I've been waiting for to help decide whether to order.

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    I love this little EDC!!!
    Used it around the house this weekend and it has completely replaced my E0-Dart, for around the neck EDC.

    It effectively alleviates my two biggest complaints about the E0... Too many lumens for night vision preservation, yet not enough for general use around the house, and the blue/violet color tint.

    But I too would prefer a LMH sequence.... or perhaps a last mode memory.
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    Got my iTP upgrade today, this light is AMAZING!!! I think we have ourselves a new bang for the buck champion. I can not believe how tiny this thing is, it makes my E01 look like a tank. Out of all of my lights, this one amazes me the most, it's size, output and price combo really makes it stand out from the rest. I have this 2AA Lux 3 III SnapOn light that has this really amazing wide beam, but it's huge size (it dwarves my P100A2 and every other 2AA light I've seen) made it a PITA to use. This iTP puts it to shame. It's not only brighter, but has a larger hotspot and wider sidespill and my particular Q5 seems to have no tint whatsoever, no matter what I compare it to, it doesn't appear to become warmer when compared to cooler lights like my aqua tinted L2T or cool when compared to my AA neu-tac Quark, I've never seen an LED like that.

    I do think I would have been slightly more happy with the Maratac as it tailstands, 20.18 shipped for the iTP upgrade just seemed better for me. I find it sort of ironic that the Maratac uses a baggie to keep costs down, yet you will still end up paying 8 bucks more for it.
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