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    Hey, i just got my first 2D mag in black and its horrible lmao i cant wait to mod it, basically i am overwhelmed by the choices i have

    tell me, what was your first mag mod and why ?

    Incan or LED im open to suggestions Basically it needs to be good bang for buck!
    Thanks jamie
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    I'm thinking a ROP would be cool. Pretty affordable, and I'd imagine it's a good, easy way to get into incan mag mods. Bright, too.
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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_Dogbert View Post
    I'm thinking a ROP would be cool. Pretty affordable, and I'd imagine it's a good, easy way to get into incan mag mods. Bright, too.
    thanks for the reply, im a bit of a newbie lol, so how many lumens would i achive from an ROP and roughly how much wold it cost.

    also i dont really want to cut it down so what battery config would i need in a 2D mag ?

    thanks jamie
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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    How bright do you want to go? You want a light that can fry the corneas at man at a hundred paces or a light or one that will run days on end when the lights go out?
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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    Welcome to the mad world of mag modding.

    What do you plan to use the torch for?

    Do you want a really bright light to impress friends but with a short run time, or a less bright light that will run for a long time and always be ready to use when you want it. Or is it for work? You get the idea.

    Do you own a soldring iron and know how to use it?

    Do you have access to some tools, saw, cutters etc

    There are many questions before you find your answer. I'm not trying to wind you up, just get a better picture of what you are after.

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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    ok thanks for the replies,

    lights are an addiction as we know but i class modding as an hobby so this light is just a fun light with no real use but to Wow none flashaholics lol

    Runtime is for wussys give me power anyday lol (joke, i do appreciate runtime before i get flamed)

    i want plenty power but not rediculous e.g. not overcomplicated and over expensive

    i belive anything up to 900 lumens should be enough as at the moment my brightest light is only 250 lumens so i just want something more than that.

    oh and also throw is very important and flood i do not want

    also yeah i can solder and tools arent a problem ( im new to mag modding but not to modding, i have also built a coupple of lasers aswell) so i have a DMM soldering iron etc

    thanks for the replies hope this sheds some light (pun intended)

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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    Roar Of the Pelican will put out 400 lumens on low, 1000+ on high, and 250ish on X-low. I love mine, and find it a great starter mod, what with not needing machine tools. It's a very flexible design, and quite robust* too.

    Edit: *by hotwire standards.

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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    Check this thread out.

    I think a good first mod might be a 500ma micropuck with a Seoul P4 and a heatsink.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner12 View Post
    Check this thread out.

    I think a good first mod might be a 500ma micropuck with a Seoul P4 and a heatsink.

    @Gunner12 - I was trying to find your/that thread for ages last night!

    I was going to say the same - 500ma micropuck with a Seoul P4 - but he already has a 250 lumens torch, so it wont really impress much.

    @jamie.91 - I would go for 3 C cells in the 2D mag Direct drive SSC P7, just be careful you get a higher Vf bin, I got a cheap P7 (unknown bin) from hongkong and it went blue on the fist turn on due to the low Vf bin.

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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    Essexman and Gunner12 thanks for the help! how many lumens can i expect from this mod ? and will i get some good throw with the right reflector?

    is it ok to direct drive ? and whats the difference in a P7 and a P4?

    thanks jamie

    also could you point me in the direction for parts ? and the right heatsink ?

    thanks

    Edit: whats with the 2 puks for brighter ?
    Last edited by jamie.91; 09-30-2009 at 03:30 AM.
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    You'll have fun with a ROP Hi.

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    Yeah, I loved my ROP. I would definitely recommend it.


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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    Quote Originally Posted by jamie.91 View Post
    Hey, i just got my first 2D mag in black and its horrible lmao i cant wait to mod it, basically i am overwhelmed by the choices i have

    tell me, what was your first mag mod and why ?

    Incan or LED im open to suggestions Basically it needs to be good bang for buck!
    Thanks jamie
    Everybody into this hobby should build a ROP.

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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    I have to agree with all the recommendations for the ROP
    I am a pure LED guy and the only torches I have that are
    Incan, are my Surefire M6 and my ROP.

    With building yourself a ROP your only problem will be
    having to buy the bulbs from the US but then again
    all the parts needed for the build will be sourced from
    overseas ....... that means waiting for everything to be
    shipped

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    Quote Originally Posted by tx101 View Post
    I have to agree with all the recommendations for the ROP
    I am a pure LED guy and the only torches I have that are
    Incan, are my Surefire M6 and my ROP.

    With building yourself a ROP your only problem will be
    having to buy the bulbs from the US but then again
    all the parts needed for the build will be sourced from
    overseas ....... that means waiting for everything to be
    shipped
    There are authorized Pelican dealers and distributors in Europe, South America and Asia. Nobody needs to import ROP bulbs from the U.S.

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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    i built an ROP from a 2C.... and now i'm really anoy'd with it... i'm totally going to be changing it over to a single or tri (MC-E/P7) VERY SOON....

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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    WOW thanks for all the relpies!

    im still none the wiser lol

    i think an ROP is the way to go as everyone seems to recomend it

    thanks jamie
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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    A very good recent thread on building a ROP is here:
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=236731
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    Can anyone see any text in Howecollc's post above, #19? It looks completely blank to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DM51 View Post
    Can anyone see any text in Howecollc's post above, #19? It looks completely blank to me.
    Nope... blank also - maybe it's a secret?

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    When doing a search on his posts, it appears that he attempted to insert a link into his post which is not displaying for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DM51 View Post
    Can anyone see any text in Howecollc's post above, #19? It looks completely blank to me.
    It's a secret post which only non-moderators are able to read... LOL

    I can see his post in my email inbox only, he tried to post a link to a bulb store in UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie.91 View Post
    Essexman and Gunner12 thanks for the help! how many lumens can i expect from this mod ? and will i get some good throw with the right reflector?

    is it ok to direct drive ? and whats the difference in a P7 and a P4?

    thanks jamie

    also could you point me in the direction for parts ? and the right heatsink ?

    thanks

    Edit: whats with the 2 puks for brighter ?
    It is ok to direct drive if the battery voltage is similar to the LED's voltage (or if the batteries sag to the voltage in the case of alkalines).

    A P7 is essentially 4 Seoul P4s wired in parallel in one package. So it is brighter, but the Seoul P4 will have more throw due to the more concentrated emitting area.

    Both the ROP and LED mods work fine.

    The Micropuck mod will get around 120 lumen out the front but should throw decently because of the maglite reflector. It should have a pretty good runtime too. I think you can wire two micropucks in parallel for more power, but I'm not sure. More current = more output. As for the components, do a quick search and look in the B/S/T section.

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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    Single D mag with the copper Malkoff drop in and a AA adapter from Modamag I think. OP reflector. wquiles cut it down, the rest was drop-in. When I can afford a P7/M-CE or whatever the flavor is then, easy to upgrade. But with Mags the sky is the limit really. I didn't have tons on cash, this was probly $160 or so.
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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    thanks for all the replies

    I thaught the micropuck put out more than 250 lumens ?

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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    Quote Originally Posted by jamie.91 View Post
    thanks for all the replies

    I thaught the micropuck put out more than 250 lumens ?

    jamie
    The Micropuck is just the electronic boost driver. The one used in my tutorial was the 500mA SHO (super high output). You won't get 250 lumens with 500mA from any current LED at this moment in time that I know of (awaiting smart arse geek type to post a reply showing me some super new LED that can )

    SO what you going to do?

    ROP or LED ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrontius View Post
    Roar Of the Pelican will put out 400 lumens on low, 1000+ on high, and 250ish on X-low. I love mine, and find it a great starter mod, what with not needing machine tools. It's a very flexible design, and quite robust* too.

    Edit: *by hotwire standards.
    +1, it's a classic, and great for those new to modding.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Essexman View Post
    The Micropuck is just the electronic boost driver. The one used in my tutorial was the 500mA SHO (super high output). You won't get 250 lumens with 500mA from any current LED at this moment in time that I know of (awaiting smart arse geek type to post a reply showing me some super new LED that can )

    SO what you going to do?

    ROP or LED ?
    Instead of a micro puck; get a SST-50, hipCC, and 6AA to 2D adapter. You could replace the SST-50 for a P7 and have higher output, but I'd rather have the SST-50 because it should focus better with the maglite's reflector. Either way, I'd guess you're guetting at least 250lm.
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    Default Re: Firs Mag mod! help me choose

    i think i am going to go with the ROP because i want more power than i already have and it would be my only incan ! ...But the micropuck does look like a good no hassle cheaper option that wouold also give me a good light, but i still think ROP

    what battery setup is best for an ROP and how many volts do i need

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