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    Default K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    I have been reading through the post for the last couple of days and I think I just getting more confused I found the Question sheet on the first day of reading but though it should be easy to find what I need. I know there are 3 other sticky threads that deal with LEO lights but they seem to be for the bigger lights. Thanks



    0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?

    _x___I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
    ____I am in North America. More precisely I am in _______________.
    ____I am in South America. More precisely I am in _______________.
    ____I am in Europe. More precisely I am in _______________.
    ____I am in the Middle East. More precisely I am in _______________.
    ____I am in Africa. More precisely I am in _______________.
    ____I am in Asia, Japan or Micronesia. More precisely I am in _______________.
    ____I am in Australia. More precisely I am in _______________.


    1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)

    ____I only want to pay $1-10.
    ____I can spend $15-30.
    ____I could spend $40-60.
    __x__I am willing to spend $80-$150.
    ____I have no limit!

    2) Format:

    __x__I want a flashlight.
    ____I want a headlamp.
    ____I want a lantern.
    ____I want a portable spotlight.

    3) Length:

    ____I don’t care.
    ____1-2 inches. (Keychain sized)
    __x__2-6 inches. (Pocket carry)
    ____4-9 inches. (Holster carry)

    4) Width:

    ____I don’t care.
    __x__I prefer a long narrow light.
    ____I prefer a short wide light.

    5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.

    ____I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)
    __x__I want lithium batteries. (coin cells, CR123, AAA, AA...)
    __x__I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)

    6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).

    __x__I want to read a map, or find a light switch, in a dark room. (5-10 lumens)
    __x__I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-20 lumens)
    __x__I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
    __x__I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)
    ____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)

    7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.

    Throw (distance)-------------------x---|----------------------Flood/close-up

    8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.

    ____20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
    ____60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
    ____240-360 min. (4-6 hours)
    ____360+ min. (More than 6 hours)

    9) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.

    ____Not Important (A “night-stand” light.)
    ____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood.)
    __x__Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
    __x__Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)

    8) Switch Type:

    ____I don't care.
    ____I want a sliding switch. (Stays on until slid back.)
    __x__I want a "clickie” switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
    ____I want a momentary switch. (Only stays on while held down.)

    9) Switch Location:

    ____I don't care.
    ____I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head.
    __x__I want a push switch on the back end of the body.
    ____I want a rotating head switch.
    ____I want a rotating end-cap switch.
    ____I want a remote control.

    10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.

    ____A simple on-off is fine for me.
    ____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
    __x__I want multiple light levels. (some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
    ____I want a strobe mode. (blinks to show location.)
    __x__I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)

    11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?

    ____I don't care.
    __x__I want a metal-bodied light.
    ____I want a plastic/composite light.

    12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).

    ____Red (night vision preserving) filter
    ____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________)
    __x__Waterproof – how deep: _____________
    __x__Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
    ____Polished silver or brightly colored finish (for easy locating)
    ____Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
    ____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
    ____Built-in second (or spare) lamp or filament
    ____Belt/Jacket clip
    __x__Holster
    ____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
    ____Kobuton/self defense features
    ____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments


    I would like to add a little to this.

    13) able to be mounted on rifle it comes with or after market (just a prayer quick release mount) kind of like my M3 I use on my service weapon.
    14) remote switch comes with or after market

    Ive looked at the M20 & M30 from Olight the Jetbeam and the Fenix but can't seem to see them side buy side in my head. Looking for some help from people that use them day to day. I want to be able to step out of my car walk up to another and shine it inside to see. Then mount it on my long gun go in a house with my K-9 and search. I like the stobe idea because I work in a college town and deal with a lot of drunk kids that need help but not hands on help to get there attention. Plus the long MAG type lights and the leash just are a pain. I probable have forgotten something but it's a start. Thank you again for your input.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    I know the M20 requires you to loosen and tighten the bezel to change modes - so to get to high to strobe you gotta do that once.
    To get from strobe back to high you gotta loosen and tighten the bezel from strobe to low to medium to high..that's 3 times correct?

    Don't know about the M30.

    There was thread by another LEO stuck between the Jetbeam and the Olight here.

    Review of Jetbeam with description of user interface farther down.

    If you're not in a hurry wait for an almost certain update of the Eagletac T20C2's interface or potentially an update of the Tiablo A7's maligned interface - both of them have strobe.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    I first started checking for aftermarket pressure switches and found this one which fits the Fenix TK12, TA20, TA21 and also this one which fits the TK10, TK11, TK20 and TK30.

    You can check out the lights at 4sevens under Fenix Lights and see some of the models beamshots here and also search for some reviews here on CPF.

    good luck with your search
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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Thanks for the responce both or you. You have given me a couplemore options now.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    I can't seem to find the TK30 I see the TA30 though. Here is a link to the M30 buy Olight it is just like the M20 but has a strobe switch on the rear.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    I think you should get either a Surefire E2DL or the Viking tactics combo.

    http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_vtac_lightmount.html#

    The viking Tactics has a surefire light built for them. It is basically a hand held scoutlight. no dual modes but inexpensive.

    The E2DL has dual functions which might suit you better.

    both are Hard Annodized Black. which provides a hard coating and is flat black.

    if you get the Viking tactics light mount separately you can use it for the E2DL for weapon mounting. Also you can get the Surefire UE07 tailcap and ST07 remote switch so you can remote activate the light.
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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Thanks but I think the strobe is something I want.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Does any one own the Olight M30 that uses it day to day would like to hear from them. Really thinking about it..

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Thank-you for filling out the form.
    My recommendation Quark, regular model
    Regular has a bezel that twists to change from 'bezel loose' channel to 'bezel tight' channel.
    In bezel tight, press button once for 'high,' press again for strobe. Quark interface keeps the flashing modes out of the way but also gives you immediate access to it (just 2nd press on tailcap).

    Quark has excellent quality, 120 month warentee. You could choose the 2cr123 and use 17670 lithium battery for hours on high (maybe 1.5h on turbo?) search for selfbuilt review quark 2cr123

    Surefire - no strobe

    Jetbeam is another option - I'd dont' have experience with the military series. I can say the Jet ProST III will fit the bill - 3 modes each of them you set. Easy for you to set 'low, high, strobe' or 'high, strobe,medium'
    IMHO it's a very easy light to set the modes. It has many ouput options that you chose from when you are setting it. You chose the frequency (flashrate) of the strobe which is excellent as you can go from disorienting to warning to beacon as you wish.

    The iTP series, c7,c8,c9 are variable ouput and instant access to strobe (again, 1/2 press on the reverse clicky). It has a very unique 'infinate output' feature where light ramps up (or down) in intensity when you loosen bezel and you tighten bezel to select it. I just don't see you waiting as the light ramps down (this may be my bias as I found I preferred fixed modes). iTP is made by Olight so they have nice square threading that will last for-ever, well built, and 1/2 the price of Olight or JetBeam
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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    I like the JetBeam and the price for the ITP is very good. I looked at the video about the jetbeam on there web site and it looks pretty easy to get your two modes. But I don't know about haveing to mave my hand up to rotate the bezzle inbetween each mode. Thanks for your input Linger. Oh one more thing how does the Jetbeam switch between preeset modes with the button or by twisting?
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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    If it is strobe, then get a gladius. Lapolicegear has them in clearance. The upgrade the led to a Seoul P4. You will get 160 lumens.
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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Ra Clicky Tactical, methinks.

    It's a pocket tactical clicky, meets all the requirements perfectly... and then some.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Now two more good options. Only thing Gladius only has on off for each setting. Would be nice to program it like the Ra Clicky. Now its the price on the Ra Clicky. It sounds like it will do what I want thought. Just need to see if there is a remote for it.

    Thanks for the input.
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    I am also looking for a light for police use and have been looking into the First Light USA Liberator. Its a little more than you want to spend but I think would be a great light for K9 use. US Border patrol K9 handlers have been issued them. Good luck.

    www.first-light-usa.com
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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    No remote for the RA clicky.

    A big Thank You to Solscud007, I just ordered another light mount!

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    I know someone who has the first light. It is a bit bulky to me. It works well but the strobe on it isn't that bright.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Just spoke with one of the dealers from this site. Gentelman I don't belive there is a light out there that will do what I want. I wanted the same functions from the end cap as I get from the remote is pressure switch. But there in is the problem they perfore kind of the same function but differant. Oh well thanks for all the input. Maybe some day they will have a multi-function pressure switch/remote around.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Novatac has some long-delayed 2009 models that do the switch magic from the tape switch. They don't have the same raw efficiency as the Ra, but they're a strikingly similar design.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Bingo! I think I'm going to get me one of these now that the price is in line. I don't trade stocks but who knows maybe someone else does.
    They got remote pressure switches if I recall correctly.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    I have been looking hard and making phone calls but it looks like the Jetbeam Jet-III is going to be the one. It looks like the pressure switch will work the strobe also with it. Only problem is not sure if I can get it all from the one person I see that sells it here in the US.... Oh and there is this Stainless Steel Crenulated Bezels that fits on it to make it that much better looking.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Ah! I see there's a pressure switch now.
    I was browsing before but didn't see anything other then a mention of a remote pressure switch.
    Good luck with your buy!

    Edit: saw the switch and flashlight both on Ebay with free shipping. The flashlight's made in China so it shouldn't matter much where the dealer is.
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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Yeah it's the buying from china that has me worried. I've tried once before I didn't lose any money as they returned it but I didn't get what I wanted either.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    You could ask around here for reviews of the seller. If you use Ebay theres paypal,so like before your guaranteed to at least get your money back.

    Or you could just wait for the Novatacs.
    Check out the Brite strike for a more expensive but unproven option.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    All true I found one person in the us that is selling it on eBay he is trying to get the switch for me.

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Totan325 View Post
    Does any one own the Olight M30 that uses it day to day would like to hear from them. Really thinking about it..
    I am also a LEO. I recently got an Olight M30. I am running tow 18650's but to fit your length requirements you could run 3x123's.

    I love the instant strobe feature. And the light is very bright. It also can throw a good distance.

    I also have a Jetbeam RRT2. I think that would be a good option for you. For the size of the RRT2 it can throw a very good distance.

    If you have any other questions just PM me.

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    streamlight strion led looks like it would fit the bill nicely

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=218858

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    You want a surefire 6p or c2 and a malkoff m60 or m30 p60 style dropin (p60 is the stock bulb/reflector combo size for these lights)

    If you really want/need the lower level output you should look into a cmg ultra AA light, it is the size of a aa battery and runs for 80+ hours on a standard cell

    You can also use a nailbender p60 dropin with 3 level output although the malkoff is considered more reliable for LEO's

    Now how about a k9 mounted mag 626?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhotondm View Post
    I am also a LEO. I recently got an Olight M30. I am running tow 18650's but to fit your length requirements you could run 3x123's.

    I love the instant strobe feature. And the light is very bright. It also can throw a good distance.
    What kind of holster do you have for the Olight M30? Are the 18650's a stock fit?

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    Default Re: K-9 LEO needs a light pulling dogs hir out looking. LOL

    Well I bought the jetbeam jet III m it should be here tommorrow I hope I'll be able to use it some on Thursday as I'm going to our academy to train the basic law school in active shooter. I'll try and post some real world tests with it. I found a front grip from Magpull that when the light is mounted it uses the end cap to turn the light on and off. It has a button in the grip that is used to push the end cap for on/off not sure how it will work for half clicks though. I won't get to test that till the new rail comes in for my FN F2000. Jere is a picture of it http://iphone.ebay.com/Member/F/RbHt...d%3D8800005007

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totan325 View Post
    Well I bought the jetbeam jet III m it should be here tommorrow I hope I'll be able to use it some on Thursday as I'm going to our academy to train the basic law school in active shooter. I'll try and post some real world tests with it. I found a front grip from Magpull that when the light is mounted it uses the end cap to turn the light on and off. It has a button in the grip that is used to push the end cap for on/off not sure how it will work for half clicks though. I won't get to test that till the new rail comes in for my FN F2000. Jere is a picture of it http://iphone.ebay.com/Member/F/RbHt...d%3D8800005007

    FYI, Magpul does not make that.... IIRC it's CAA - questionable quality in the past.
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