Ft. Hood Shootings - Take 2

[LuxLuthor]

Creation of a new thread on the topic will be permitted, but if so, let's leave out religious speculation. Referencing news source reports of religious incidentals is okay, but speculating, making claims that the actions are a result of a particular religious belief, and "educating" us on religions will need to be addressed in the Underground.

It's time to back up, and start over.

Since Empath's closing of the previous thread left the door open to a more factual discussion, I believe there is enough evidence that has come forth in recent days to now call this a pre-meditated act of Islamic terrorism.

In particular this linked story from www.drudgereport.com to a Fox News story listing contents of a Powerpoint slide presentation that this Doctor of Terror gave while still at Walter Reed. Just reading the last few slides is enough, but his connection with the radical Iman from Virginia, now promoting such actions from his new location in Yemen is nearly conclusive.

The Powerpoint, entitled, "The Koranic World View As It Relates to Muslims in the U.S. Military," consisted of 50 slides, according to a copy obtained by the Post.

"It's getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims," Hasan said in the presentation.

Under a slide titled "Comments," he wrote: "If Muslim groups can convince Muslims that they are fighting for God against injustices of the 'infidels'; ie: enemies of Islam, then Muslims can become a potent adversary ie: suicide bombing, etc." [sic]

The last bullet point on that page reads simply: "We love death more then [sic] you love life!"

On the final slide, labeled "Recommendation," Hasan wrote: "Department of Defense should allow Muslims [sic] Soldiers the option of being released as 'Conscientious objectors' to increase troop morale and decrease adverse events."

An Army spokesman told the Post Monday night he was unaware of the presentation, and a Walter Reed spokesman declined comment.

IMHO, each of those supervisors, co-workers, and other Government officials who knew of his connections, statements, and actions also have blood on their hands.

[StarHalo]

After listening to multiple media sources and all the related conversation and commentary, I think I'm starting to grasp some of the key stumbling blocks that are causing some to avoid the label of "terrorism" regarding this event. A clarification:

- One person alone can be a terrorist, and can create and execute a terrorist act. A lot of commentary I've heard has specifically pointed out that there is no group or insurgent involvement with this event, and since there was just a "lone gunman" and no "plot" specifically created by multiple like-minded people, it therefore must not be terrorism. But no dictionary definition of the word notes anything about quantity - it merely needs to be an act of violence for political or religious goals. A good example would be Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing; despite the fact that he was essentially a lone attacker, it was clearly an attack to bring his political beliefs to the forefront; an act of terrorism.

each of those supervisors, co-workers, and other Government officials who knew of his connections, statements, and actions also have blood on their hands.

I noted in the Underground that I wasn't sure how the Army would charge so many people that knew Hasan had serious problems; specifically in relation to the Powerpoint incident. I can't imagine how an entire room of medical professionals, expecting yet another presentation on health issues, would suddenly be lambasted for an hour about Jihad, while they all sat slack-jawed and incredulous, and yet not a soul mentioned anything to anyone.

[SFG2Lman]

i disagree entirely that they have blood on their hands, had they said anything he would have run to the Inspector General and had them prosecuted under Equal Opportunities and continued about what he was planning. The only difference would be that they would have had career ending charges levied against them at least until now. I don't see this as anyone's fault but his, you can't suspect your family of things like this...doing so would be playing right into his hands. The fact is that there was not enough evidence for a reasonable person to conclude he was anything other than strange. I mean, look what he has done and we still can't say what he is. How can a mere coworker make a statement that the FBI still can't make even after something like this takes place?

Yes its a shame that nothing was done sooner, but people slip through the cracks. We will never know exactly how many people DO get stopped and how many the FBI does put behind bars before its too late, but no one can get every single needle in the haystack...not without severely violating the rights we fight to protect.

[RAGE CAGE]

Thanks for the 2nd evolution. Let's hope no one rushes in and starts name calling on this one. Well said about walking the fine line of protecting/infringing on the rights we take for granted. Hope things on Post start to return to a sense of normalcy soon.

[LuxLuthor]

Well I meant "have blood on their hands" in a perjorative way, rather than a strict legal manner. They will have to live with the result of their inactions. However with US House Rep Peter Hokstra, and US Senator Lieberman holding specific accountability hearings about governmental liability, it is likely that heads will roll, and careers will be ended.

I do not believe they would have been charged with anything under the Equal Opportunities Act or any other regulation, had they reported factual observations (the PP presentation slides) and statements/comments made by Hassan.

I believe some of them did communicate within the chain of command, likely leading to his transfer to Ft. Hood. AKA -- one of the military's long standing modus operandi for dealing with "tough characters" is to transfer them to more arduous duty station.

[tygger]

- One person alone can be a terrorist, and can create and execute a terrorist act.[/I] A lot of commentary I've heard has specifically pointed out that there is no group or insurgent involvement with this event, and since there was just a "lone gunman" and no "plot" specifically created by multiple like-minded people, it therefore must not be terrorism. But no dictionary definition of the word notes anything about quantity - it merely needs to be an act of violence for political or religious goals. A good example would be Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing; despite the fact that he was essentially a lone attacker, it was clearly an attack to bring his political beliefs to the forefront; an act of terrorism.

Thats not quite correct. At least according to the US State Dept. definition. Promise I'm not picking at you StarHalo and I apologize for being a bit abrasive in the other thread, its just that IMO definitions must be paid attention to in order to deal correctly and effectively with issues like terrorism. If not, everything becomes an "exigent circumstance" and we run the risk of trampling the rule of law.

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...htm#definition

The term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant (1) targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.

with the added provision:

1) For purposes of this definition, the term "noncombatant" is interpreted to include, in addition to civilians, military personnel who at the time of the incident are unarmed and/or not on duty.

However, according to Glenn Greenwald this addendum to the definition of terrorism creates problems for US/NATO in afghanistan/pakistan.

But if one accepts that broadened definition of "terrorism" -- that it includes violence that targets not only civilians but also combatants who are unarmed or not engaged in combat at the time of the attack -- it seems impossible to exclude from that term many of the acts in which the U.S. and our allies routinely engage. Indeed, a large part of our "war" strategy is to kill people we deem to be "terrorists" or "combatants" without regard to whether they're armed or engaged in hostilities at the moment we kill them. Isn't that exactly what we do when we use drone attacks in Pakistan?

And from Jonah Goldberg at National Review:

Much of the chatter over the weekend was whether or not the Fort Hood shooting can be classified a "terrorist attack." It seems to me this reveals one of the shortcomings of the language of the war on terror. I know there are all sorts of legalistic definitions about what constitutes terrorism and what doesn't. But it seems to me a case could be made that this was, variously, an act of war, an act of treason, or a war crime, but not an act of terrorism.

Terrorism is, by conventional definition, an attack on civilians intended to strike fear in the non-military population in order to advance a political or ideological agenda. Hasan didn't attack civilians, he attacked uniformed members of the U.S. Army in advance of their deployment to the frontlines. It was an evil act, but was it an act of terrorism?

Ultimately, if we're going to call the violent acts of Jihadis "terrorism" wherever and whenever they occur, then I guess I'm fine with calling it terrorism. But I can't help but think this illuminates some blind spots in the way we think about these questions.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...A4NTMxYjEzYjg=

[DimeRazorback]

It is obvious from things that I have read that his loyalty was somewhere other than the USA.

It is a shame, that in this day and age everyone has to fear lawsuits for racism.

[StarHalo]

Not-Yet-Materialized Update: You might recall in the original thread where I hypothesized about Hasan's work ethic based on the info we had at the time:

You now have this man who is in a position that's supposed to tend to the mental heath of distraught American soldiers, who feels that these soldiers are evil and God-forsaken attackers, and shouldn't be meddling with the people and lands he identifies with.

This was clearly an exaggeration on my part, to help give insight into Hasan's mind and to illustrate what his daily life and duty entailed.

Fast forward to tonight, where my radio news source featured their usual 7PM slot program hosted by a military veteran who frequently has inside/advance information that the national media picks up on a day or two later. Tonight's discussion was "hypothetical", for reasons which are most likely legal in nature, about some of the soldiers who were actually treated by Hasan as patients; About how there were many soldiers who went to him, and there is a common thread to all their stories, and they would be coming out to the media in the very near future..

One such "unofficial" story involves an anonymous enlisted man in 2007, who had returned from Iraq and was wounded. He was physically healed but was still psychologically troubled by what he had gone through, and so was before Hasan for treatment, which went something like this:

Hasan: "You should be dead, and your wife a widow and your sons orphans."
Enlisted: "Yeah, we had quite a few close calls, I'm very fortunate to still be here."
Hasan: "No, you should be dead, and your wife a widow and your sons orphans. For what you did."
Enlisted: "Excuse me?"
Hasan: "We're done here."

This particular conversation is not in any way an exaggeration or embellishment; it's a near-verbatim transcript of someone who actually went to Hasan for treatment.

There's no way I would have thought of something that profoundly extreme and offensive when I was doing my re-creation of events; It would appear that where I thought I was exaggerating to give insight to Hasan's mind, I was actually far short and too gentle with the harsh reality.

But in any event, this is just a heads up to let you know what's coming down the news pipeline. It looks like this story is just warming up..

[LuxLuthor]

Once you again start venturing into your speculative scenarios, it violates the thread guidelines. There is more than enough REAL and documented information so as to not inflame it with premature speculation and get the thread closed again. Maybe you can take this stuff to the underground forum?

[StarHalo]

I'll edit my post so that it's a little less vague; It's not speculative - I'm using the phrase "hypothetical" to highlight that the information is pre-release and not "official", not yet distributed by the media. What I'm describing is removing my previous speculation with actual testimony, it's what you're going to see in news stories in the next 24-48 hours..

[RAGE CAGE]

Take 3....here we come.
So far the real name caller has not shown up from the last thread.
Hopefully he has matured enough to stay out.

(insert favorite Deity here) bless you all.........

[jahxman]

Starhalo, I will be curious to see the kind of patient reports coming out which you reference - because so far what you are saying contradicts the interviews I have seen with his former (non-muslim) patients, who all expressed bewilderment that Hasan could do this and that he had helped them a great deal with their PTSD and other post-deployment issues.

I would imagine that the psychiatrists treating men and women returning from combat in Iraq and Afghanistan hear some horrific stories, stories that the troops involved would probably never share with anyone else who was not bound to confidentiality. Of course, this does not excuse or even explain why Hasan did what he did. Why does anyone snap and go shoot a bunch of people? It happens, it happened the very next day in a non-military setting, but makes no sense to most of us.

It sounds to me like Hasan gave plenty of warning signs that he was not fit for duty; in a military strained for skilled resources like him this can happen, but I really hope there will be sane changes to prevent this in the future, and not knee-jerk backlash against anyone and everyone remotely connected to the Muslim faith.

[Alaric Darconville]

Not-Yet-Materialized Update:
This was clearly an exaggeration on my part, to help give insight into Hasan's mind and to illustrate what his daily life and duty entailed.

How do you know Hasan's mind *so well*? Or are you just reverting to sensationalising things? This adds nothing of import to the discussion, and is getting tiresome.

[Patriot]

What I'm describing is removing my previous speculation with actual testimony, it's what you're going to see in news stories in the next 24-48 hours..

If it's the truth, hopefully we will see it soon. Sometimes the truth, or at least all of it, has trouble making it's way out of certain media establishments.

So far, things are looking pretty bad on the part of supervisors. I wouldn't personally say that they have blood on their hands since Hasan is fully responsible for his own actions but I agree with Lux that when you have a guy linked to some really strange speech, who wants out of the military, they ought to have just granted his wish. That's not to say that the guy couldn't have gone and shot up another group of people but it seems that some serious warning signs were not treated more seriously, possibly due to PC fears.

Razorback
It is a shame, that in this day and age everyone has to fear lawsuits for racism.

That is a real shame and unfortunately this type of illogical thinking is only gaining strength.

[Lightraven]

Starhalo is referring to a local radio program in Los Angeles hosted by U.S. Army Reserve infantry officer and veteran of Iraq, first lieutenant Bryan Suits.

I heard this particular show and Starhalo is repeating it very closely. The enlisted soldier, according to Bryan Suits, told the shooter he would report him to the Inspector General. Hasan supposedly replied, "I don't care." The enlisted soldier then filed his complaint with IG, but was discharged shortly after (honorably, I presume) and never heard back.

It was as infuriating to me as anything I've heard yet. Any psychiatrist telling a soldier (apparently more than one) that his wife should be a widow and kids should be orphans for his "crimes" should be removed from the Army and escorted under guard off the post. The FBI should covertly install a wiretap on his phone and while the attack may still have gone forward, he should not have been allowed on a military base to empty trash cans, let alone been a major counselling soldiers.

My first terrorist training in 1995 was a short block (2 hours?) by an FBI agent. I was disappointed that the entire 2 hours was spent DEFINING terrorism. No wonder this country is so stupid about it. Hey, it doesn't really matter if Fort Hood was "terrorism", "caniballism" or 100 "accidental discharges" in a row, these people are dead and injured.

[StarHalo]

Starhalo is referring to a local radio program in Los Angeles hosted by U.S. Army Reserve infantry officer and veteran of Iraq, first lieutenant Bryan Suits.

And anyone who'd like to hear the clip, click here and skip to about 2:30, the segment is only a few minutes in length: http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/me...=KFI-AM&TRACK=

[LuxLuthor]

Starhalo is referring to a local radio program in Los Angeles hosted by U.S. Army Reserve infantry officer and veteran of Iraq, first lieutenant Bryan Suits. blah blah blah

With respect to you and Starhalo, this is hearsay, speculative, and unnecessarily inflammatory, and I wish you guys would do this in an Underground Forum thread. If it continues here, then I would ask Empath to either delete your posts, or lock this thread also.

Until such time that there is a series of actual written reports or clear evidence to back up speculative sources, then with respect, I would appreciate it if you kept your hearsay comments to yourself. It insults the honor and memory of those who were killed to toss out premature, speculative scenarios for your own self-agrandisement.

I can speculate based upon a radio source that interviewed a former Apollo 14 astronaut who is absolutely certain that he has seen UFO's and little green men, which is being covered up. Or other actual eye witnesses that called into a radio show that verifies absolutely that Elvis is still alive.

Patriot, I clarified what I meant by "blood on their hands," in my second post.

[StarHalo]

Sgt. Kimberly Munley (pictured with Defense Secretary Robert Gates) is out of the hospital and even made an appearance on Oprah today.

Until such time that there is a series of actual written reports or clear evidence to back up speculative sources, then with respect, I would appreciate it if you kept your hearsay comments to yourself.

1LT Suits was more specific this evening, noting that soldiers who were treated by Hasan are personally contacting him, and he has an open invite to other soldiers to send in their stories, as he is collecting them for release.

[LuxLuthor]

1LT Suits was more specific this evening, noting that soldiers who were treated by Hasan are personally contacting him, and he has an open invite to other soldiers to send in their stories, as he is collecting them for release.

What part of speculative, unverified source crap do you not understand?

I have it on good authority that the radio announcer has now interviewed over a thousand people who all swear they have seen Elvis alive in the last week, and their signed affidavits and photographs will be forthcoming for an official release on the King.

PM sent to Empath to please close this thread.

[Patriot]

Great picture Star. I don't even know Kimberly but I somehow find myself really proud of her. She's a real hero in my book. What a brave soldier to have persevered in such an unreal circumstance.

[SFG2Lman]

easy luxluthor, hes only trying to provide more information, everything, and i mean everything, excepting what came out of General Cone's mouth is speculation, even the most reliable news station is speculating, the truth lies somewhere between the overly PC and the overly prejudice, of course we know nothing about what actually went through his head but hearing all sides and taking everything with a grain of salt is the media consumer's job, the decision is ours, but even speculative information can be helpful (negatively or positively) in making educated choices about what we think happened

[Patriot]

1LT Suits was more specific this evening, noting that soldiers who were treated by Hasan are personally contacting him, and he has an open invite to other soldiers to send in their stories, as he is collecting them for release.

All little snapshots in a large colage. I think part of the uncovering process involves having to examine with objectivity. Some of us will toss out what we don't perceive to be valid, others will add this to the cumulative case in an effort to build their ideas. Regarding the source, I don't have a problem with it and recognize that some don't even consider Fox or CNN verified sources since they believe everything is a conspiracy. We probably need a little leeway in the area of sources. Just my 1 cent. As long as the name callers remain in hibernation we should be ok.

I'm enjoying this thread bwt. It's nice to have a "real" topic instead of talking about barbecues or something.

[Empath]

While the discussion involves a topic of religion, particularly in an extremist fashion, attempting to hold the discussion to a particular level of acceptability is very difficult. Under a certain level is of little practical value to the topic, and above a certain level it gets into areas that could be offensive to many of our members. We have members from all over the world, and of all types of religious persuasion. No doubt none would want what they hold sacred to be unfairly challenged as root cause or even contributive toward mass murder and mayhem.

Can I determine with any accuracy when or if comments that seem necessary to the discussion goes too far? Perhaps to a limited extent, though functionally, likely not.

Lux, the topic is important enough that your creation of a 2nd thread is likely appreciated by many. Your efforts of responsibility in holding it to a perceived limit is admirable and appreciated. To do so would likely prove frustrating.

So, what are our choices? We could close it now, or we could let it go until it becomes apparent that it is beyond acceptable.

I'd be inclined at this time to ask our participants to consider the directions the thread takes, and it's effect on others outside our own spheres of belief and preferences. If it becomes clear that it is upsetting to some, or if common sense shows it beyond proper consideration, then it will be closed immediately.

I'd still recommend the areas of potential friction be addressed on a thread in the Underground. The Underground was designed with just such a situation in mind.

[StarHalo]

I'd be inclined at this time to ask our participants to consider the directions the thread takes, and it's effect on others outside our own spheres of belief and preferences.

I think you were clear enough in the first thread to avoid religious speculation. I would agree that some of the polarizing and debate-prone aspects of religious matters should be relegated to the Underground. However, as a straightforward collection of information as provided by the media, and reconstruction of events and interpretation free of unnecessary religious and cultural accusation, these threads have done well to provide a broad range of sources and data, and should continue to do so.

I would be entirely comfortable with this thread being viewed by any person, including those persons involved directly or indirectly to the actual event. We should strive to keep it that way.

[LuxLuthor]

Empath, thank you very much for your thoughtful reply.

My objections have nothing to do with being politically correct about this murdering "Dr. Terror." Rather, once you open the door to anyone making comments, and that being interpreted as accurate by a radio show...it puts this whole conversation and documentation one step above trashy National Enquirer fiction. People can find supposed sources on this topic all over the map, and present them in patterns of heresay to put forth whatever theory you want.

Having supposed Hassan patients (servicemembers) calling in and reporting whatever--without certified affidavits, or at the very least, written proof of an actual visit appointment, all of which are protected under patient confidentiality is an insult to finding out the facts of what happened.

Someone even from that base could be sufficiently enraged to call and pretend to be a Hassan patient--report that he forced them to undergo aggressive anal probes, or that he screamed alien chants until they had blood dripping from their eyes, or that he shoved bamboo splinters under their fingernails, or told them their mother wears army boots, or he wishes they had died in a previous tour--all of which are totally useless and can be collected and made to say whatever the radio presenter (or StarHalo) has on their agenda, such as telling all of us a fantasy reconstruction story about what they think was really going on the shooter's mind.

However, if and when there is credible documented backup evidence, then new source information can be useful at establishing what actually happened, and how the ball was dropped.

The existence of his PowerPoint presentation slides content, the direct interviews by credible authorities of the victims and witnesses of the shooting, the existence of internet and phone records communicating with his Virginia Iman now in Yemen, direct quotes from clearly identified co-workers and residency training supervisors are examples of valid evidence that allows a proper understanding.

I have no loyalty to this monster or any regard for his relationship to anyone or anything that contributed to such atrocities. I do care about what actual pieces of the puzzle can be gleaned, since this can happen again.

[StarHalo]

I got to watch the aforementioned episode of Oprah; 5'2" Sgt "Mighty Mouse" Munley seemed in good spirits and was eager to get back to work. Oprah made only a few indirect questions about the specifics of what went on, but Munley noted that at the time the call came in, she was cleaning and refueling her squad car for a shift change. Upon arriving, there was quite a bit of confusion on the scene, with most bystanders pointing in the direction of where the attack was taking place. After going up a nearby hill, armed only with her service pistol, she encountered gunfire and engaged Hasan. There weren't many more details beyond that, aside from mentioning her injuries in passing - she was first grazed on a knuckle on her right hand, and one round struck her leg squarely. She noted that she was completely conscious and aware for the entire event, and had to focus on her breathing to avoid going into shock.

Sgt Mark Todd, who responded at the same time as Munley, was also there. Todd, who was not injured, carried on after Munley and was ultimately able to remove the gun from the now-fallen Hasan's hand; immediately after, he and several other officers began CPR and life-saving measures on Hasan. He noted it was the first time in his 25 years of police service that he had ever used his sidearm in the field.

[Empath]

......once you open the door to anyone making comments, and that being interpreted as accurate by a radio show...it puts this whole conversation and documentation one step above trashy National Enquirer fiction. People can find supposed sources on this topic all over the map, and present them in patterns of heresay to put forth whatever theory you want.

That too, is a concern for me. I'm not a big fan of the Art Bell sort of sensationalism as a journalistic style. Then too, I have to recognize that we aren't a journalistic news source. We're only discussing the situation among ourselves; meaning we can respond that we find a particular source questionable. I'm more interested in the respectable social interaction, fairness to one another, and the 'Cafe' type laid-back atmosphere.

[StarHalo]

A press briefing just wrapped up at Fort Hood a few minutes ago; not much new info to share aside from Hasan being officially charged with 13 counts of murder. The spokesperson noted that Hasan is legally not allowed to speak with the press while he is receiving medical treatment.

Only one of the wounded still remains in ICU, and all the wounded are said to be in stable condition.

A spokesman for the Army's Criminal Division urged patience and said that there was no estimated time on how long the investigation would take due to the magnitude and scale of the crime scene, which covers not just the Readiness Center, but four other buildings and two parking lots, and the several hundred cars in the general area. He also implied that there were only "two police officers" who engaged Hasan, which would point to Munley and Todd.

Also of note: President Obama has ordered a full review of all the federal intelligence data/communications collected in regards to Hasan. I predict that this will be a dead end -- Since the feds found nothing they could act on, we can deduce that there was nothing in those conversations that indicated an imminent or even possible attack; it was most likely the same anti-Western sentiment found in any extreme-leaning establishment, so would exactly could be done? A charge of "Talking Somewhat Like Someone Who Might Eventually Be A Terrorist"? A Breech Of Conduct charge wouldn't be appropriate, as it's usually reserved for more extensive violations, like blatant adultery (plus charging someone for a non-threatening conversation with a spiritual guide would be very politically questionable.) The transcripts will eventually be released, and they will probably be rather caustic, and will re-ignite the usual polarizing cultural/religious issues, but in the end, it will just be extremist proselytizing and echo-chambering between two men that wouldn't fall under any criminal charge.

And a new question: Hasan made roughly $90,000 a year, was not paying/repaying for schooling, was not married or involved, and lived in a $300-a-month apartment -- where did the money go?

[DimeRazorback]

That is a real shame and unfortunately this type of illogical thinking is only gaining strength.

Continuing along this thought, I know a young man who is a University lecturer.

Recently, he had a debate with one of his students over a topic (he is a chemistry lecturer)
He eventually lead to points in the discussion that she could no longer disagree with or disprove, and therefore she was 'defeated' in their debate.

One week later, he was on review by the Uni for racism.

Turns out that she was a different race to him, and didn't like the fact that she lost the discussion and entered a formal complaint that he was racist...

He had over 8 witnesses, a couple of whom were the same race as the accusing female, to back up his side of the story.

Yet his job is still on the line, and he is still under review.

The world sometimes

[LuxLuthor]

Reported on Fox News tonight and shown acual image of actual business cards Hassan had printed up with no mention of his military credentials, and underneath his name the letters: "SoA (SWT)" which stands for "Soldier of Allah" & "Subhanahu Wa Ta'all," which means "glory to God."

Also in that Fox News story is another slide show link of his sparse, one room apartment, & minimal contents. He apparently likes spartan white. Most curious of all are some self-prescribed prescription bottles-Tesalon for cough suppression, but another for Combivir to treat HIV. Please tell me he did expose the emergency and hospital workers to HIV on top of everything else. It can be used for medical workers as a prevention to exposure of HIV in needles, but a shrink is not going to be drawing blood.

There is further an item in this same article with questions about Hassan sending money to someone in Pakistan:

Meanwhile, authorities say they're looking at whether Hasan was sending money to Pakistan --and if so, why. The Virginia-born soldier is the son of Palestinian immigrants, was raised in the United States and has some relatives still living in the West Bank.

Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., told the Morning News that sources "outside of the [intelligence] community" have information about Hasan's possible ties to Pakistan, which is battling a large Islamist insurgency movement.


Hoekstra, the House Intelligence Committee's ranking Republican, declined to identify the sources.


"They are trying to follow up on it because they recognize that if there are communications — phone or money transfers with somebody in Pakistan — it just raises a whole other level of questions," he told the paper.


Hasan's family has said he doesn't have ties to Islamic extremists.

There are even stronger criticisms of Hassan by his supervisors and peers during his training. They will have to live with the results of their hesitancy to act on his case.

Meanwhile this is likely the penultimate example of the hand-wringing obsession of the typical politically correct leaders:

Following the tragic mass-murder of Americans at the Fort Hood, Texas military installation at the hands of a suspected radical Jihadist, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano's first priority was to reassure the world that U.S. authorities were taking measures to quell anti-Islam sentiments after last week's mass-murder by a Muslim serving as U.S. Army psychiatrist.

I agree with groups asking for her resignation on heels of her earlier incompetence, but she is merely a product of the whole "P.C.' mentality.

When Napolitano released a report saying that returning veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan should be watched as they could become domestic conservative terrorists, according to MoveForwardAmerica.org, the FBI went so far as to film the recent tea party protests of loyal Americans because of warnings that conservatives could become terrorist threats.
Napolitano approved release of a report that implied a variety of groups, including veterans, pro life activists, and supporters of gun rights, could be potential anti-government terrorists. She also said that the 9/11 terrorists entered the country from Canada, when in fact they came from overseas.
"With her ignorance about Islamic terrorism, no wonder she is wasting time examining our troops, anti-tax, pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment and other conservative groups," stated Move Forward America.

"It is clear that Napolitano has no clue about the details of what happened to America on September 11, 2001. And she has offended our brave and selfless troops who have protected us since that infamous day of attacks on America’s homeland. Her outlook and priorities are exactly backward and plainly dangerous.

"Napolitano is unfit to serve as secretary of Homeland Security and President Obama must fire her before she causes more damage to our country."